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iluvdesign
03-07-2002, 05:58 PM
What happened to the post with the link to download flash mx?! it was there a few hours ago! i downloaded the file and now the post has vanished....
iluvdesign
03-07-2002, 06:32 PM
it was an 80mb file so was obviously the full version. didnt anyone else see the post or download it??
jstarkey
03-07-2002, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by iluvdesign
it was an 80mb file so was obviously the full version. didnt anyone else see the post or download it??
Banned. Once again, warez will not be tolerated on these boards.
clifgriffin
03-07-2002, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by jstarkey
Originally posted by iluvdesign
it was an 80mb file so was obviously the full version. didnt anyone else see the post or download it??
Banned. Once again, warez will not be tolerated on these boards.
I can't believe anyone would think it would be tolerated.
gerbick
03-07-2002, 08:20 PM
believe it. you'd think that IP Logged would stop that type of activity here.
jstarkey
03-07-2002, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by clifgriffin
I can't believe anyone would think it would be tolerated.
It's amazing what some people consider acceptable.
Macromedia was the first to contact me, and did so within minutes of the original post, so a ban is probably the least of this person's worries.
Sons of Liberty
03-07-2002, 10:49 PM
Iluvdesign... so u r saying u got the full version without paying a single cent...... consedering the fact its not even out and you get it before a million of people do.. its not fair to some of us here.....But i can't blame you though.. a lot of people would have done the same thing.
MikeChambers
03-08-2002, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by gerbick
believe it. you'd think that IP Logged would stop that type of activity here.
yep, it doesn't seem too bright to me (especially posting the link in the first place).
but that is why we have:
piracy@macromedia.com
mike chambers
mesh@macromedia.com
gerbick
03-08-2002, 12:23 AM
mike, nice to meet you. you will most likely see me send you a ton of e-mails in the next few weeks or so.
better yet, I'll give then to John Starkey :) Nice to know you guys DO float around the boards. Maybe it will make people think even that much more about posting URL's to warez.
:D
MikeChambers
03-08-2002, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by gerbick
mike, nice to meet you. you will most likely see me send you a ton of e-mails in the next few weeks or so.
thanks for all of your help moderating the boards, and helping people out.
mike chambers
mesh@macromedia.com
OMEGA
03-08-2002, 12:57 AM
Hey Mike!
Welcome to FK, but it looks like you have already been here a bit:D
Whatever happened to Matt Wobensmith?
MikeChambers
03-08-2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by OMEGA
Hey Mike!
Welcome to FK, but it looks like you have already been here a bit:D
Whatever happened to Matt Wobensmith?
matt still lurks on the boards, but he has been swamped with working on MX.
mike chambers
mesh@macromedia.com
Mike, nice to see you. Perhaps we can get your member title changed to "The Eyes of Macromedia" or something much more sinister.
things have looked much better this time around (so far :) ) than the time around Flash 5's release. I'm hoping we don't have an all out assault after the 15th of warez posts and such. We can all keep our fingers crossed.
Take Care,
mg33
I think that it is not entirely his fault, I would haf done the same too, flash is too expensive and I cant buy it on the net becuz i got no credit card....thats why there are cracks...
RazoRmedia
03-08-2002, 09:31 AM
you could buy it from a retailer, (all over the world) or you could even ask someone with a credit card (you parents?). The reason software is expensive is because of piracy.
Flash is not a game, it shouldn't be $20 or whatever, it is a professional media development tool, its not to be messes about with and then put back on the shelf. I purchased flash 5 and believe I have got more than my moneys worth due to the extent I have used it.
You cannot justify warez by moaning about a high price tag. For what Flash is, its easily justifiable.
swampy
03-08-2002, 09:55 AM
It boils down to morals. Some people have them, some people don't.
pixelpusher3d
03-08-2002, 10:04 AM
to Mike Chambers -
It is great that you are here advising, considering last minute software changes, hearing "the people" etc. MM has fantastic support, more than any other software I use, and it shows they care, by having people like you work for them.
Just wanted to give a high five to MM!! and you!!
KingJoe
03-08-2002, 11:55 AM
I'm sure not a one of you "morally superior" people replying to this post ever used Napster, Morpheous, or a similar program to download music...
HSFH dot NET
03-08-2002, 12:11 PM
thats almost 5 times the size of flash 5 thats insane
how can someone be banned with no warning whatsoever just for downloading an 'EXTERNAL' file that has nothing to do wityh flashkit. Fair enough banning trhe originbal poster, but banning someone that read that post, thats absolutely way out of order. Shame on you Flashkit moderator :p
bit-101
03-08-2002, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by dud
I think that it is not entirely his fault, I would haf done the same too, flash is too expensive and I cant buy it on the net becuz i got no credit card....thats why there are cracks...
sorry i stole your car man. cars are expensive and i don't have a bank account. can you blame me?
shouldn't threads about warez and piracy be closed?
yeah they definately should. But people shouldnt be banned for it, especially with no warning and when they didnt even post the warez link themselves! And as for reporting people to piracy@macromedia.com, well thats just ridiculous.
So, Flashkit, how about chilling out a little and maybe warning someone that if they post content like that again they will be banned instead of just banning people outright.
ok, that will do :)
OMEGA
03-08-2002, 01:55 PM
Lets suppose you have a software company. Most of your revenue is going to come from people purchasing your software. Would you like it if people started pirating your software and you didn't make money from the sales?
Just something to think about, and I think its one of the main reasons Software companies frown upon piracy.
gerbick
03-08-2002, 01:56 PM
When you signed up, that should have been warning enough.
but...
Warning: All talks about warez at FK will get you banned. Any links posted will not only be reported to Macromedia, you will also be banned.
Flashkit does not condone conversations alluding to, pertaining to, or including talks about warez. And it's an offense that can get you banned.
lol, who reads the agreements on sites and software, seriously.
well, you guys can stay on your high horse and report all your little instances of the word 'warez' to macromedia if you really have that much free time on your hands. lol. I think they have better things to do than to track down the millions of people that use warez all over the world.
oops, i said warez. maybe you should ban me.
gerbick
03-08-2002, 02:10 PM
not what I meant.
Macromedia and Flashkit has a close relationship. And they are here. Some even have mod rights/access.
And about what you do and don't read. Doesn't matter. You signed up here. The rules apply equally to all here. It's not about a few of us running around, babysitting the lot of you to make sure you don't say the warez word.
However, it's an offense when you use the words, and offer links, what not.
Disagree with that? Contact the webmaster@flashkit.com.
i dont mean to sound smart or cheeky guys, please excuse my tone :)
I simply want to enjoy this board in as free a way as possible. I myself object to warez and agree with other people views about the companies losing money, so dont think im some warez king or anything! :) haha
Well, i'll just sit back and try to help any people out with flash problems now.
peace,
can you just clear this up?...
i checked out the terms and conditions on signing up and this is all you get....
there is nothing about warez. So from pressing agree you have not agreed to anything about piracy etc. you might wanna revise those terms.
:)
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jstarkey
03-08-2002, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by jwkw
can you just clear this up?...
i checked out the terms and conditions on signing up and this is all you get....
there is nothing about warez. So from pressing agree you have not agreed to anything about piracy etc. you might wanna revise those terms.
...
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by Flash Kit.
Looks like it's covered to me.
agent vivid
03-08-2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by jwkw
can you just clear this up?...
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
KingJoe
03-08-2002, 02:53 PM
Heh, heh, heh. No responses to my reply, eh:
Originally posted by KingJoe
I'm sure not a one of you "morally superior" people replying to this post ever used Napster, Morpheous, or a similar program to download music...
You guys can argue about warez all you want. But unless you've never downloaded music, you don't have any right to say a damn thing, because you're as morally reprehensible as anyone who downloads the full version of Flash. Hooray for hypocrytes!
Ed Mack
03-08-2002, 03:04 PM
Didn't a link to a public ftp of a trial download get onto a popular news site a few days ago?
I am a middle-aged author and journalist, and I hope I can share my thoughts freely with you. Through work and colleagues I occassionally use Photoshop (even on my fairly decent salary I could not afford my own copy). I have tried Flash a couple of times but never understood its odd language and names; I own a copy of Swish; and I dabble a bit in basic video editing at home. The biggest software I have ever owned is Microsoft Office which came pre-istalled with my pc a coupe of years ago. The programs I use the most are Word and Outlook Express.
Now, I was lead to this thread from an article I was reading, right here at Flash Kit, about the new Flash MX. It's going to be a smash hit! The new video-making aspect of Flash is what will make it a hit I think, and although I don't understand most of what I read, I think I read enough to know the new Flash will be a power-house, and I applaud Macromedia for having the foresight to introduce lots of new features that will make things easier for people to do many things (well, this is the general energy underpinning the new release, that I feel anyways). I hope it's ok if share my vision with you.
I'm NOT condoning warez by any means, AT ALL. Theft is theft and that's a fact. But, here's another fact. The good software IS still FAR too expensive. And I think this is the reason for the up-surge in warez. I read articles that say there are probably hundreds of these sites now, and based all over the world, with people of all ages from kids to grandads downloading, ask yourself why. If Swish can be $50 and Flix be around $100 why should Photoshop be over $600 and Flash MX be $500?
I know what the answers from the software houses are going to be. But the cold sober fact is that every one on the internet now wants to play too. The pro designers are probably now in the minority! Do a search-engine search for Photoshop and tell me how many PS foums and tutorials are made by and for pros? Hardly any. Hundreds if not thousands of sites all aimed at non-pros using PS. What does that tell you? Every one on the internet is now seeing glorious Flash and Photoshop effects, and wants to have them too. The big shame is that software houses can't see that yet. This will outrage you now, but it will have to go this way eventually: all software under $100! You will never stop robbery, but you will be making your software affordable. It is now the masses who want your software, just like they want the latest albums, except that people who download MP3s also BUY albums because they are affordable. Think about it and stop the robbery. It's really very simple, your target audience from now on is THE MASSES, the average guy, the teenager who wants Flash MX for Christmas etc. How many kids must ask Daddy for Photoshop for their b'day, only to be told that at six hundred bucks(!!) it is way beyond the reach of Daddy's pocket. What does the kid do? S/he HAS TO HAVE the latest Web site effects right?
I hope I have given software developers some food for thought ~ basically, the message is this:
"YOUR CUSTOMER BASE HAS CHANGED FROM THE PRO OR COMPANY TO EVERYBODY."
Actually, this should be great news to you ;)
Duir.
bit-101
03-08-2002, 03:06 PM
i cant understand why this thread is still open.
???
when is the official release date for MX? Can we preorder and pay for it nonw anywhere? I bet there wilkl be a big rush to buy it, i dont wanna miss out! :)
Thanks :)
TiefighT
03-08-2002, 04:35 PM
You can pre-order FlashMX here (http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/), look for the "Get it First" section of the "Its Coming" flash movie.
Gerbick is 100% right in everything he said here. There are two things with a zero tollerence policy at Flashkit, warez is one of them. Any use of the boards to distribute or download warez will get you a ban, no questions asked. Everything outside of that is up to moderator/admin discresion but will still be judged harshly.
And King, flashkit's policy on warez isn't a discussion on morals or the holiness of the mods/admins. You may think there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol either (as do I), but if you do it in your car and are caught you will suffer the consequences, simple as that. Flashkit is a tool (much like the car in the above analogy), and that tool won't be used for warez.
[Edited by TiefighT on 03-08-2002 at 03:41 PM]
jstarkey
03-08-2002, 06:22 PM
This thread is closed.
Bottom line: if you are promoting warez on the FK boards, you will be banned immediately and without warning. If you have any problems with this, please contact me directly at webmaster@flashkit.com
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