Internet TV in koolmoves?

[ant_Z]

Hi, is there any possibility to add TV player on my site? There are some stations, transmitting video to net, and id like to receive some of those video (concert transmisions for example). Is there any possibility to just show the video on my site?

[blanius]

if the are FLV videos you could. Otherwise I'd say no.

[ant_Z]

Hm... thats interesting. Unfortunately theyve got only wmv files on server. So ive got another question: how to get video from my camera and stream it? Do i need a special server?

[blanius]

true streaming yes does actually require a streaming server. What FlV does on standard server "looks" like streaming but it's really "progressive downloading" The biggest difference is how it handles multiple requests and true streaming the entire video never exists on the client machine and is protects your content more.

[indogo]

Look into the VLC player
http://www.videolan.org/

its actually 50% a streaming server,it's open source
and it plays flv no probs(with its own codecs)..so may realtime encode...I read of other people converting to stream flv on their forum..

worth a look

mike

[tmoore935]

true streaming yes does actually require a streaming server. What FlV does on standard server "looks" like streaming but it's really "progressive downloading" The biggest difference is how it handles multiple requests and true streaming the entire video never exists on the client machine and is protects your content more.

Not to interup but koolmoves does a good job I think with flv's. I have a decent server that I use and I doubt that the free ones are any good. But putting up stuff from a cam corder should be easy. I have taken small movies from my cheap concord 1.3 Meg pixels camera and have made little movies that can be displayed on the internet.
I did have a problem with getting one flv to play when another ended but I simply did not finish the project.

[indogo]

Hmm was wandering there....

if you can get your movie into your computor then it can usually be converted to flv (riva do a free version)

Upload to a decent server and play using a player made in koolmoves...(necromanthus has a working example)

For a server there are a lot of sites popping up..eg blip.tv...they seem to convert to flv anyway now and you can use their player or your own.

I suppose the only question is the type of camcorder/interface you have?

regards

mike

[ant_Z]

how to get video from my camera and stream it? Do i need a special server?
Ive asked becasue i need to put image from my camera live on net, and i thought that the easiest way should be flv... im a total newbie about streaming etc. Im going to buy a camera, but now ive got a TV card and i can connect "normal" analog camera over s-video.

I cant convert video to flv and then put it on aserver - i need to have "live" transmission. Im gonna transmit some video stuff for students - you now, blackboard and other things. This is for on-line japanese study project.

What abot riva - when ill be amused, ill buy it... but i wont have any profits, so i wouldnt like to be amused... and its gonna be a problem to buy it, cause i live in Poland...

[blanius]

Look into the camera object. This is not the same as FLV encoding and it's much lower rez but it can do live. I think it may require Flash Communication server though.

[tmoore935]

Would a web cam work? Someone here actually created one with koolmoves about 2 years ago.

[ant_Z]

Would a web cam work? Someone here actually created one with koolmoves about 2 years ago.

Yeah, why not? and... more details please :]

[tmoore935]

Yeah, why not? and... more details please :]

Let me email the guy who wrote it. Then I will let you know

[blanius]

I'm sure it would work but it would need to run locally not from server I think

[ant_Z]

It would need to run locally not from server I think

does that mean that i must send video to local program, convert it and next to server?

i need to allow only 1 person to transmit video. the rest can only watch it.. and use chat.

[blanius]

That should work. Look at camera object

[tmoore935]

I can make a koolmoves reader/display for webcams but have not got streaming to work.

Free solutions are:

Have you tried NetMeeting? This is included with microsoft XP, but I have never used it.

another is skype.
http://www.skype.com/
I actually used this for a job since I was communicating with someone in Europe and I was in the states and it works. This is PC to PC. And I know webcams work with it.

[ant_Z]

Netmeeting was made by Micro$oft, so it obviousely bad.
Skype is good, but it allows only 4 people in a conference, and the number of 'students' will oscillate about 20... i also need to have 'kick' and 'ban' options, and ive got them in my (php) chat.
Ive planned to put video window above thin chat window, only for max 3 lines on one time. Chat is going not to be for talk, but for asking questions.

[Chris_Seahorn]

Netmeeting was made by Micro$oft, so it obviousely bad.

Huh?..............LOL

Koolmoves System Requirements:
Windows 98/2000/Me/NT/XP

Skype System Requirements:

Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP
or Mac OS X
64MB RAM
233mhz CPU or better
5MB for Install Disk Space

So let's see...you must not be a Macintosh user or you could not be Kool. You can't skype without a Microsoft product yet you think Microsoft products are bad. You cannot create any Koolmoves movie without a Microsoft product to install it on. Odd how we bite the hand that feeds us. :confused: :confused:

Oh yeah...and Skype recommends you have Windows Media Player installed...yet another creation by that capitalist pig!!!......lol

[blanius]

Well just for reference Adobe/MM make "BREEZE" for this very purpose. Be sitting down when you read the price.

[Chris_Seahorn]

Uh-oh...that sounds like a greedy company too :devil: Hey...wait a minute...doesn't that also require a Microsoft product to install it on? lol

I refuse to believe Bob Hartzell (who's a pretty bright guy) would base his program on an "obviously bad" product like Windows!!.....


THanks for the morning chuckle Antz.....no hard feelings man....I love the irony :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[blanius]

Lol

[ant_Z]

this irony is sad - if i would like to gain money firts i would have to pay 1,5 kPLN for Sys, 150 PLN for KoolMoves and another 1,5kPLN for html editors, 700 PLN for graphic editor, 1,5kPLN for sound editor and - ive counted it some time before - its all about 44 kPLN. And normal prize for site is about 700 PLN...

and Opensource if free, even for commercial use.
"Opensource - millions of minds just can't be wrong"...

Im so glad that im not amused to gain on bills... with these commercial pigs like micro$oft and abode i would bancruit :]
Look on the prices above - seems to KM be the cheapest soft. And most powerful... what a pity that there isnt KM on linux... i would prefer to use version for tux, lnx is, were and will more stable than winblows. Its safier... faster... more powerful.. etc.

[Chris_Seahorn]

Nobody understands OpenSource better than myself in this conversation.

If your analogy is true...then Bob Hartzell is a commercial pig. His software is not free. Anything costing over a penny could be considered piggish when you expect everything to be free :)

It's called free enterprise. Nobody ever said webdesign would be free. I cannot hate Microsoft because they charge for their operating system...nor Adobe...nor Bob or anyone else as they put no gun to any heads to purchase their products. We do so by choice , in this country at least.

If Linux were more powerful, safer,etc etc it would be the reigning king of OS's. I'm so old I've seen my share of OS's try to outdo Microsoft yet myself and hundreds of thousands of others still boot to Windows. I wish he could render everyone who has so little regard for his company unable to use his products....even if they wanted to ....so they could put their actions where their mouth is and have to stand by their comments. Talking smack about his company while using his products is a bit underhanded and extremely two faced IMHO. I'm a Macintosh user also and think Macs are far better at the game than old Win boxes yet I still have need of Microsoft and certainly would not be providing Koolmoves Opensource without Microsofts help :)

Koolmoves is more powerful for the buck ...on that I agree. Yet without those "pigs" at Adobe handing out FREE flashplayers, our exports would be useless with nothing to interface to or be interpreted with. Let's hope they don't hear your kind words toward them ;)

[Chris_Seahorn]

It aslo costs us OpenSource providers money to provide the resources using the same (roughly per country) monetary breakdown you gave us adding up all the costs as you've done for the programs required to create the package as a whole. It costs me money to submit to the Exchange. It cost me money to support our "piggish" developers software. It costs me money to hand things out for free. Why do I not whine...because I CHOOSE to do it...I don't HAVE to ;)

Heck....in the end it's usually used so someone else CAN make money using the resource. Welcome to the game Antz...glad to have you aboard :) ;) ;)

[tmoore935]

If ant Z has the chat already, then a 40USD webcam with a mic from labtech or something from ebay should be all he needs. Nothing fancy and the webpage could be made to altered to his needs.

[w.brants]

Things don't always have to be expensive.

There's very good open source html and sound editors both for windows and linux. Adobe has a free Flex2 command line compiler that can compile ActionScript 3 code. As for creating flash movies with linux, you can run KM using Wine or you can look at an open source project like Open Laszlo.

[Chris_Seahorn]

Things don't always have to be expensive.


Now all he needs is a free alternative to Koolmoves. With me having to hand over more money to the capitalists at KM (surely I hope everyone knows I'm being comically sarcastic and not really against them selling this thing ;))since I'm coming up on my first required update...I'm curious to see the free solution people post for that ;)

Maybe we should suggest mtasc to Xareox so after about 50 manuals and whitepapers he can make a movie that says "Hello World!".....lol

I'm just busting your stones Antz...I do wish you'd ease up on the "commercial pigs" type of statements though because the law of averages dictates that given the opportunity...you'd be one too ;)

oink oink

[ant_Z]

Yea... now i see my English isnt very good, cause i didint understand most of your saying :]
what about "commercial pigs" - Bob Hartzell could be ac ommercial pigs, if KM costs the same as Abode Flash. It really could, its even better than Flash, cause its easier... Bob Hartzell is a human, and hes got to eat, drink, sleep and use Internet ;) He wont eat rats or wild berries - its a civilised world. But to buy bread, he needs to have $. KM isnt very popular, so it cost, but if it would be more popular, it could cost less - 10 copies for 40$ == 20 copies for 20$... and if it cheapest, the most number of people buys it. More ppl buys it - it can cheapest... Bill Gts isnt a pig, cause not he dictates prices for Winblows. But the micro$oft team... do you know that over 60% of private users has illegal os in Poland - because its too expensive... Lucky that my winblows was added to comp...
And what about Linux... i would use it, if not my parents - they use a computer a lot, but they wont be able to learn linux...
What about popularity of Win and Lin - if Linux would use grafical interface, it would be more popular. Why graphics programs are designed for win? because its more popular...
Im using windows because of my parents, skype and graphics soft. Programming soft was, is and will be better for Lin...
Linux is like a Wigwam - no gates, no windows and an Apache inside :]

lol now i dont know my saying was correct, but i think you sholud figure out what i was thinking about :]

[Chris_Seahorn]

Cracked copies of any expensive software abound. Always have ..always will...it's what drives the market for hackers. It's doesn't make it right though...it just makes it what it is...a fact.

Swish...heavily hacked....Flash...the same...even Koolmoves I've discovered is fair game and to me it's rather inexpensive even taking updates into consideration (though I have no clue yet what the update will cost me so I can add it up over the expected life of my use).

As for Linux...I dedicated one whole year to the platform...server and all. It was fun...interesting and definitely a different way of doing things. In the end though...I was glad to return to the real world.

So it's all good man...as long as you are here and happy...who cares how you arrived ...Peace man :thumbsup:

[ant_Z]

...Peace man :thumbsup:


http://peace.mennolink.org/resources/clipart/leojpeace1.gif

[Chris_Seahorn]

Hahaha.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: