Let's wait and see if it is true - false flag operations, terrorist attacks

[japangreg]

If another attack went down, I'd throw the bums out on the spot. There should be no excuse for it to happen. It'd be proof of their incompetence, driven by their greed.

How these bastards are still around perplexes me like nothing else.

It's all in the spin - notice how, when the violence in Iraq dipped a while ago, it was proof that our plans were working? And, now that it has surged right back up with the troop levels, it's proof that the enemy are getting desperate?

The fact that Repubs. have been tooting their own horn on security for so long despite being the dominant party during not only the worst terrorist attack on American soil, but one of the worst natural disasters in history should be downright appalling to anyone paying attention; but their methods of demonizing their opponents and driving voters with emotion-laden wedge issues keeps them around.

[villain2]

About rallying the forces pre-911:
That's what leaders do. They know, before the general public does, who's planning what. There are tons of terrorists out there in the pre-9/11 era but Al Queda had made it a habit of bombing U.S. interests. After the, i don't know, fifth time ... someone should have told the American public about it. I'm personally disappointed that I didn't know jack about Al Queda before 9/11 and then found out they had been attacking U.S. interests for years before that.

The fact that Repubs. have been tooting their own horn on security for so long despite being the dominant party during not only the worst terrorist attack on American soil, but one of the worst natural disasters in history should be downright appalling to anyone paying attention; but their methods of demonizing their opponents and driving voters with emotion-laden wedge issues keeps them around.

I see plenty of demonizing on both sides. "Bush is the Devil", "Republicans are Nazis", "Bush is Hitler". It's about as bad as when Clinton was in office and people were calling him a "pervert", "deviant", "sex addict", "rapist". Exaggerations at best.

Republicans got so much power because when buildings are falling down and there are videos of people talking about killing you and your family and you neighbors, there's a push to the guy who says "I'm going to kick their butts" than the person who says "Let's try to understand and empathize with them ... and by the way, it's your fault".

Not saying either is right (because neither is the right way to deal with this), but when having a choice between the pitbull guarding my house or the poodle, I'll choose the pitbull. But now, maybe we need a poodle to smooth things over because the pitbull is way too wreckless.'

Reason number 4395083902548 we need a third, moderate, independent minded party in the United States that's not beholden to the religious right and big business, nor beholden to pseudo-socialists and anti-anything-Old School America-before-1992 activists.

[japangreg]

Republicans got so much power because when buildings are falling down and there are videos of people talking about killing you and your family and you neighbors, there's a push to the guy who says "I'm going to kick their butts" than the person who says "Let's try to understand and empathize with them ... and by the way, it's your fault".

Actually, they got power by convincing people that the opposition was actually saying anything like "it's your fault."

[TallGuyLittleCar]

About rallying the forces pre-911:
That's what leaders do. They know, before the general public does, who's planning what. There are tons of terrorists out there in the pre-9/11 era but Al Queda had made it a habit of bombing U.S. interests. After the, i don't know, fifth time ... someone should have told the American public about it. I'm personally disappointed that I didn't know jack about Al Queda before 9/11 and then found out they had been attacking U.S. interests for years before that.

leaders like Churchill and Roosevelt? I really can't think of one good leader that rallied the troops pre major incident without lying (hitler and poland).

[FlashLackey]

The fact that Repubs. have been tooting their own horn on security for so long despite being the dominant party during not only the worst terrorist attack on American soil, but one of the worst natural disasters in history should be downright appalling to anyone paying attention; but their methods of demonizing their opponents and driving voters with emotion-laden wedge issues keeps them around.

...speaking of spin.

So, the Democrats would have been all for a Taliban take-down before 9/11? A deportation of all suspected terrorists?

Regarding demonizing, the Democrats seem pretty good at that themselves. Look at Loyal Rogue, he still thinks that talking about Plame's job was illegal.

[Loyal Rogue]

Look at Loyal Rogue, he still thinks that talking about Plame's job was illegal.

That's only because I choose to stick to the facts.
The special prosecutor already determined that she qualified on all counts as an undercover operative and leaking her real identity was a crime.
I'm sorry if you choose to believe FAUX news spin instead of the facts.

[FlashLackey]

That's only because I choose to stick to the facts.
The special prosecutor already determined that she qualified on all counts as an undercover operative and leaking her real identity was a crime.
I'm sorry if you choose to believe FAUX news spin instead of the facts.

I believe you need to double-check your facts. It was found early in the case that Richard Armitage was the one who leaked her identity. I'll let you go ahead and do the homework regarding whether or not he has been charged with a crime.

[Loyal Rogue]

I believe you need to double-check your facts. It was found early in the case that Richard Armitage was the one who leaked her identity. I'll let you go ahead and do the homework regarding whether or not he has been charged with a crime.

Actually Armitage is just one of several administration members responsible for leaking her identity and the trail of evidence continues to point to the VP office.
As to whether there can be any successful justice and prosecution of this crime with all of the lying and obstruction of justice is another matter entirely and has no bearing or relationship to the fact that she was an undercover CIA operative working on nuclear WMD investigations in the middle east.
Nor does it change the fact that by exposing her and her entire "Brassplate" company that the leakers also exposed and endangered every other undercover CIA agent that used her and Brewster Jennings as part of their own cover identities which at any time, but especially during a time of war, is not only illegal but an act of treason.
These are just simple facts.

[FlashLackey]

Actually Armitage is just one of several administration members responsible for leaking her identity and the trail of evidence continues to point to the VP office.
As to whether there can be any successful justice and prosecution of this crime with all of the lying and obstruction of justice is another matter entirely and has no bearing or relationship to the fact that she was an undercover CIA operative working on nuclear WMD investigations in the middle east.
Nor does it change the fact that by exposing her and her entire "Brassplate" company that the leakers also exposed and endangered every other undercover CIA agent that used her and Brewster Jennings as part of their own cover identities which at any time, but especially during a time of war, is not only illegal but an act of treason.
These are just simple facts.

You really have been busy.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the source who revealed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame to syndicated columnist Robert Novak in 2003, touching off a federal investigation, two sources familiar with Armitage's role tell CNN.

The sources said Armitage revealed Plame's role at the CIA almost inadvertently in a casual conversation with Novak, and it is not clear if he knew her identity was classified at the time.

Armitage was not indicted by the federal grand jury that investigated the disclosure of Plame's name to Novak and other journalists. Deliberately revealing the identify of a CIA operative can be a crime.

The revelation that Armitage was the source of Novak's column is somewhat anticlimactic for Bush administration critics who had used the story as a weapon in Washington's partisan battles.

During the run-up to the Iraq war in 2003, Armitage was viewed as one of the more skeptical voices in the administration about the need to depose Saddam Hussein by force.

...

Last month, Plame and Wilson filed a civil lawsuit alleging a conspiracy that "was motivated by an invidiously discriminatory animus towards those who had publicly criticized the administration's stated justifications for going to war with Iraq" and culminated with the disclosure that Plame worked at the CIA. This revelation destroyed Plame's career with the agency, according to the suit.

The scenario described by the sources familiar with Armitage's role, however, appears to contradict those arguments.

...

Novak has said he would not reveal the identity of the original source unless the source came forward. However, he said the special counsel in the CIA leak investigation, Patrick Fitzgerald, learned who the source was independently.

Fitzgerald has said he does not plan to bring any charges against Novak's original source.

...

In September 2003, Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago, Illinois, was appointed as a special counsel to investigate whether any laws were broken with the disclosure.

No one has been indicted for leaking Plame's identity, but Libby has been charged with perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators for allegedly giving false information about his discussions with journalists about Plame.

Libby has denied any wrongdoing and pleaded not guilty.

Fitzgerald notified Rove that he wouldn't be charged in the case, Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, said in June.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/...age/index.html

Nobody was endangered. No operations were jeapardized. The whole thing has Nifong written all over it.