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    Macromedia University - Any Thoughts???

    I'm thinking of joining up. Anyone out there who's in it already? Can you give me an idea of what its like? Is it worth it? What are the certificates like?

    For anyone who doesn't know what I'm asking about, you can check it out here:

    http://www.macromedia.com/university

    Thanks,

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    I think your just better off hanging our around here. If I remember right, The University costs an arm and a leg and you can learn the same stuff here

    Lou C. Fur

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    That's cool, but is there anyone out there who's actually tried it?

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    Originally posted by nocrapchurch
    That's cool, but is there anyone out there who's actually tried it?

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    The company I work for bought a subscription, they told me it was especially for me (I'm a single mom, and the class they wanted to send me to is over an hour away, which meant I'd either drive back and forth every day, or find someone to watch my daughter while I was gone for a week...neither one was really an option, so they bought the membership to MU)....but then some big important project came up, which they conned one of my co-workers into doing, and I'm not allowed to use MU until the project is over with....
    What I've heard from the co-worker, however, is that it's "okay".....probably you could get more out of hanging out here or reading a book.....

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    That's cool. I'm a little closer to what I'm looking for. Reading through the description (of the university), they say that when you complete a course, you get a certificate. Has your co-worker gotten one of these? I'm wondering how official it is. I'm not so much thinking of doing the courses so I could learn more, but I would like to say that I am Macromedia certified in Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc. It would look good on a resume.

    Well, if you could ask your co-worker, that would be great.

    Thanks,

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    A bit of a non sequitur

    But related nonetheless.

    Macromedia's name is worth whatever value a client assigns to it. No more, no less.

    I don't know about you, but a lot of the clients I deal with don't even know what Flash is, let alone who makes it. They just want to know if I can put spinny things on their site like their brother Hal has on his. (Perhaps I need a more sophisticated clientele...)

    There may be design firms out there who place value on certification by Macromedia, I don't know, I've never shopped them.

    But Macromedia certification does not mean, "we certify this guy has impeccable taste, a good design sense, the communication skills to adequately translate what you want from customerese and is a creative and artistic web developer". Macromedia certified means "this guy knows how to run our programs and is capable of building a site that runs". No more, no less.

    I checked out the intro for the Macromedia University and thought it was a joke. A high priced way of telling you all the stuff you could easily figure out on your own. Yes, you'll be certified at the end of it.

    Whether anyone will assign any value to that certification is another question entirely.

    In (not so) short - don't waste your money. Go out and get an internship position with a real design firm if you have to. Take a junior webmaster job if you have to. But spending your money on something because of some subjective perceived value seems a little naive to me.

    Hope I haven't offended you,

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    He just finished the course a couple of days ago, but I'll ask him if he gets some type of certificate, and I'll let you know. (Know what you mean about being "certified" by anyone....looks good on paper....a shame we have to have that, huh?)

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    Tyke, I know what you're saying and I agree, but what falbhanach said.

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    :)

    I understand completey nocrap...

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who prefer to see that piece of paper before they consider you valid.

    Maybe that's why most of the clients I've been rustling up just want spinny things on their sites (hahaha)....

    I saw your site, by the way (intrigued by a post of yours that I saw about two weeks ago, checked it out then)...

    Your Flash chops are way ahead of mine, and I doubt that the Macromedia program can teach you anything you don't already know, from what I've seen.

    But Falbanach does make a good point.

    Best of luck to you

    Tyke

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    Here's the dirt....

    I checked it out myself. I didn't even have to steal the username/password, however I was told not to tell my supervisor that I had access. Go figure.

    Yes there is a certificate. Complete with your name on it.

    "This certificate certifies that nocrapchurch has completed whateverclassyoutook at Macromedia Online University" or some junk like that. BUT, you download a pdf file, and print it yourself. No embossed seal of approval or anything fancy.

    Another tidbit....you can get the certificates by simply clicking through every page of the course. You don't have to take a quiz or anything. In fact, there are no quizzes, no reviews, no TestYourKnowledge's. Period.

    I guess my question would be this: What is it you are looking to learn? (What program) I went and reviewed the Dreamweaver 4 and the Fireworks 4 courses, 'cause I just started with those a couple months ago....I know all the stuff they're teaching in those courses already...and I have the satisfaction of saying that I learned it on my own. I read a book or two, I searched tutorials, I read posts here at FK. (However, we now go back to that stupid piece of paper.....)

    So, to make a long story short....oops, too late! Think long and hard about it before you spend even the $99 on the Basic membership. You can learn the same stuff through books, tutorials and here at FK.

    Good luck.



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    my company bought me the $500 package (macromedia university) last year and it's not been helpful at all. in fact i just snoozed through an introduction to XML. If your a self motivated individual with some money to blow on books, then the classes are for you. for the rest of us, save your money. I haven't even got my certificate for a instructor lead course i took almost 4 months ago! The quick study courses for the macromedia products are ultra beginner, no actionscript, no intermediate flash tips and tricks. just things like... here's the line tool ... here's the rectangle tool... here's how to do a motion tween... yawn. They do have some classes in perl, html, and databse stuff, but it's all so general i have trouble really diving in and getting something out of it. and as someone else here said, all you have to do is click through and you pass, no tests, no grades. I think that it should at least be something you have to work for. But that's just me

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    Thanks a lot guys for the insight. I figured that it was just another way for Macromedia to extract money out of us.

    But if I could get an official certificate, it may be worth it. Kind of like getting a Microsoft certification in something when you know that you could teach the course yourself. Saying on a resume that I am Windows 2000 certified sounds much more appealing than I am know Windows 2000 better than yo mutha.

    But from what you guys are saying, the whole thing sounds pretty lame. Oh, well. Maybe I should just rely on my incredible skills and stunning personality to attract clients... I'm screwed. :-)

    -scott
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    P.S. Tyke, thanks for the encouraging words.

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    Sorry, nothing about the university but I checked you site and wondered if you could mail me you first gravel pit song?
    Is it flashtrak or a swf?

    lutz@elsa-erlangen-nuernberg.de

    Thank you so much.

    It would be used on http://www.e-law-seminar.de


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    If you want a nice Certificate with your name on it go to http://www.techiesgold.com

    I got certified in Dreamweaver 3.0, Frontpage 2000, Flash 4.0 and they send you EMBOSSED certificates, back when I took them (about 8 months ago) the tests were free, but now its like 10 bux for some and the others are still free but they do mail you a NICE gold embossed certificate =)

    LOOKS SWEET!

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    A friend of mine joined and likes it "all right." It's more interactive than say, http://www.vtco.com, but a whole lot more expensive. Personally, I prefer to learn from books (which I keep as reference) and sites like this.

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    Well, hey, I've got an idea!

    Why don't we bug the gods of Flashkit to have a certificate?

    We, the board at Flashkit, certify that nocrapchurch is a Flash guru.

    Of course you'll have to go through the hassle of explaining to the client why the name nocrapcurch is on the certificate, but details, baby, details...

    hahaha

    Tyke

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    I thought 'nocrapchurch' sounded very professional.

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    Re: Well, hey, I've got an idea!

    Originally posted by Tyke O'Brahe
    Why don't we bug the gods of Flashkit to have a certificate?

    We, the board at Flashkit, certify that nocrapchurch is a Flash guru.

    Of course you'll have to go through the hassle of explaining to the client why the name nocrapcurch is on the certificate, but details, baby, details...

    hahaha

    Tyke

    I think that's a fantastic idea. I think that I have a better username than most though. :-)

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    And...

    Definitely the coolest of all URL's




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