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    I think he is saying that you could easily make a site keeping your contents HTML based and using Flash for navigation or some fun, interactive event. It's not a bad option since Flash Menus are usable all over the site. You don't have to use SSI or other techniques and Flash Menus (usually) takes less place than ordinary bitmaps, and then you can have sound, animation or other stuff included. And the contents is easy to read.

    The only thing that isn't as good is that the Flash Menu has to be loaded for each page unless you use frames...

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    this page blends flash nav and html content pretty well http://www.echomedium.com



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    thx Braniac that's what I was trying to say ;-)

    http://www.b-und-b.com
    http://www.vdlb.de
    http://www.kesselsweier.de

    ...are some examples of sites I've made yousing only flash menus and decoration but HTML content.

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    ah, now i understand and agree. the reason why those all-flash websites are better is cause you can up that $$$ a bit and rake it in. but realistically, a balance of html content and a nice flash nav and/or embedded object works best.

    aversion, that echomedium site is quite impressive. were you involved in the development?

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    düsseldorf...

    ... nice city alex. As i made only html sites, i was very unhappy i couldn´t use nothing of what i´ve learned about design and typography. Dynamic content is more difficult in flash as in html, but the only way to reach a professional quality (because you can embed your fonts). If you must use machine fonts, you can forget the design quality, and the comfortable readability.

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    ...but not as nice as munich

    I was there three weeks ago and hope to return soon;-)

    I guess flash is a great versatile tool, for me even the reason I started webdesign but I guess we shouldn't forget the more basic but sometimes better technologies.

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    good morning

    the problem is not the (over)use
    of those pixel fonts or if
    they're illegible.

    what i'm missing a little bit
    in this discussion is typography
    on the web in general. does it
    really care what font you use
    as long as you don't even follow
    the BASIC typograpic rules as
    many designers do it on their
    sites?

    reading on screen is harder than
    reading on paper, that's a fact.
    so our job as designers should
    be to make any content as clearly
    readable or understandable in
    general as possible.

    there are rules for typography,
    and as much as i enjoy breaking
    rules, i do have much respect
    for such guidelines that exist
    for more than 500 years and were
    proven right for uncountable
    times.

    we should care about those who
    have to read the text and to
    understand what we are telling
    them.

    pixel fonts don't necessarily
    make it harder to read the
    bodytext, but they certainly
    don't make it easier.

    any more reason to use them?

    no

    take a minute to think about it (thx mtv)

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    puresin, I will say that most of the folks looking at sites that use pixelfonts are advanced computer/internet users that enjoy seeing people's creativity through using different types of fonts. You are right, for general websites, your basic Arial, Helvetica, Verdana fonts are best, however, as I have stated, I like when sites like 2Advanced or Egomedia (and the many others) use pixel fonts. Face it, people just like them. If you check the fonts forum on FK, you see MANY people curiously asking all sorts of questions about pixel fonts and their validity and function. I truly think that if used well (and readable), pixel fonts can really set the tone of website. They can turn an ordinary website into a technological marvel. Your thoughts...

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    http://www.miniml.com - The Standard series of Fonts are REALLY good and easy to read. Maybe not totally futuristic but they work for me.

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    I can't beleive I'm joining in on this! pixel font or no pixel font, up to the designer! will everyone be happy?...no...people are judging 2advanced you'll never please everybody! If I'd be as good as 2advanced...well lets just say my life would a lot easier

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    Originally posted by opengeo
    puresin, I will say that most of the folks looking at sites that use pixelfonts are advanced computer/internet users that enjoy seeing people's creativity through using different types of fonts.


    Face it, people just like them.
    hello opengeo,

    this is a most interesting thought. but i cannot agree.

    i cannot see how using almost illegible fonts expresses
    ones' creativity. where is the creativity in using something
    against better judgement "just because it looks good"?

    if they were that creative, they'd develop a font of their
    own.

    please don't get me wrong: i love experimental typography.
    an experimental website MAY function with an experimental
    font. but if there is the faintest hint that the font
    i use could affect legibility in a negative way, i discard
    it.

    it comes down to the same old point:

    learn the rules before you break them.


    i cannot speak for others, but my claim is not to create
    good looking stuff but to communicate content. form
    follows function. it still holds true (and always will).

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    Well...

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by puresin
    learn the rules before you break them.
    I say always the same, why to discuss about
    typography, without knowing it? Some designers
    who means they "break" the rules, are repeating
    only old mistakes (too long lines, as 2advanced
    for example, right aligned or centered text...
    It may look original, because no designer
    do that, but that´s only embarassing, because
    there are technical reasons not to do that).


    form follows function. it still
    holds true (and always will).
    Well, i prefer to say "form comments function"
    (visit "who" in my site)

    Regards from Munich


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    truth or dare

    What will be become of designers in the future... post your comments please:

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