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    and how do you know there isn't anyone else out there that does have it legally? what about YOUR copy? And as for "seeking the avenue," why would i waste my time to try and convince you guys to let me do what i want? I know that wont happen, and I don't care if it happens. I was posting an opinon. I know you guys take pride in feeling a sense of digital authority. Flashkit has sold out.........

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    Yep, they sure did sell out, each and every time they selected a moderator with a level head on their shoulders and a shade bit more understanding of how they intend for the site to run. They're the ones to blame, those fascists!

    As for my version, I'm looking forward to purchasing it as soon as I have the money. Might be a while, and I'm doing fine with Flash 5.

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    nah its just this place used to be sucha friendly place to come to, and everything wasn't so critical. They wanted to get as many visitors as they could.

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    Originally posted by enjoy311
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    and how do you know there isn't anyone else out there that does have it legally?
    They wanted to get as many visitors as they could.
    who said no one has a legal copy besides betas. maybe there is someone out there who has a legal full version. but the fact is that person is not you, and that person does not have the right to give it to you.

    i'm pretty sure flashkit can do without the ones who pirate software (no i'm not implying anything), no matter how much they contribute.

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    ok,

    1. i understand that warezblabla isnt allowed here - and i appreciate it.
    2. i understand that users with warezblabla get bannend
    3. i DONT understand (and its really true you poor mods - people CAN get that feeling in here) that you´re so picky about every detailed question about flash mx -

    just one simple case to imagine:

    human --> 14 years old --> no money --> has internet -->
    is talented & interested --> loves flash --> cant spend 500$ --> knows how to spell "kazaa" --> asking questions.

    i dont mean that example as a excuse for poor people but i think thats reason enough to stop thinking about "hey did you get it in the store - no? ok i have your ip huhuhu"

    BECAUSE those people are the new youth of macromedia and the artists/buyers of tomorrow

    SO DONT FLAME EM

    and btw - if you want a PRO site, without the kiddies so flashkit gets its good reputation again - then restructure the site more - but dont be so picky in general!

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    I am not normally one to comment on this type of thread, but hey, I will give my two cents worth.

    Moderators put up with alot of crap, I know this from experience. At times, I have seen even the best/tried and true moderators snap at forum posters. In this case, I see them being very mature and at the same time very childish. Let me explain.

    >>They have defended themselves well!

    They're going the extra mile here, to keep a thread open that applies, to a very small group of people, that would like to contest, or more over, rant and rav about thier dislikes of how this forum works. The fact that they left the thread open and have given great care and time to their posts in this thread is really something. On many a forums of this magnitude, such users would just be banned and the moderators wouldn't give them a second thought.

    >>But they don't need to!

    This is where I think these moderators are falling short of their own line. They know they don't need to justify them selves or their actions to anyone other then their superiors. Despite how we as end users feel about that, this is the way forums work. It is not the moderators job to please or hear everyones arguement (especially when its not in thier best interest, or if it is just a few people wanting to be right or ruffle the moderators feathers), it is their job to keep the massive base of users going in the right direction.

    And for the 3 years I have been coming to this site and posting to these boards. I have never seen a better set of moderators.

    And there is my 2 cents.

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    Originally posted by freestylez
    ok,

    1. i understand that warezblabla isnt allowed here - and i appreciate it.
    2. i understand that users with warezblabla get bannend
    3. i DONT understand (and its really true you poor mods - people CAN get that feeling in here) that you´re so picky about every detailed question about flash mx -

    just one simple case to imagine:

    human --> 14 years old --> no money --> has internet -->
    is talented & interested --> loves flash --> cant spend 500$ --> knows how to spell "kazaa" --> asking questions.

    i dont mean that example as a excuse for poor people but i think thats reason enough to stop thinking about "hey did you get it in the store - no? ok i have your ip huhuhu"

    BECAUSE those people are the new youth of macromedia and the artists/buyers of tomorrow

    SO DONT FLAME EM

    and btw - if you want a PRO site, without the kiddies so flashkit gets its good reputation again - then restructure the site more - but dont be so picky in general!
    well said. you think if i ever had to pay for flash i would be creating it? no. beleive it or not, but warez plays a very important role in promotion of a product. i'm not saying that its right, but you can't avoid that fact. there are SO many talented teenagers using this product and will be 10 times better than the top notches of today. you think most of them payed a dime for it? no. but garaunteed a good percentage of them will later on.

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    humm,im fed up reading this thread,but i guess all of u guys know that if MM wants to stop warez it can spend money on security and more thinking on startigies,but MM is like olld brother MS ,they want thier programs to be spread,other wize a 600$ program is going to fall into few ppl hands ,mostly pros. and it wont be known like it is now,imagine not having flashkit alive for example coz only pros. own the program,so no flashkit or flashanythingelse on line.
    ALSO ,if i made something and everyone on earth cracked it,and used it,but its known that im the creator,then i'll be the happiest man on earth,and after 10th of years i could be persident,so ppl dont worry warez or no warez,those companies know what they r doing just like ciggrates and all the other huge "new world order" companies that rule the world.
    keep on mind that they could get u hanged for ill. copy in china

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    Creedance has posted the most intelligent post so far.

    I just think you guys should relax. For some reason, the average Joe seems to think he is smarter than the President of a multi-million dollar corporation... hummm.

    How can you sit on somebodies head for posting about a program that isn't out yet? Yes, the moderators have full control.. thats why you don't see me posting about such things on this forum.

    I just don't understand one thing... who named you guys the kings of the universe? I mean no offense, but how can you justify what is illegal and what is legal? I just want you to think about all of the human beings that rome this earth... and i want you to think of the size of this earth. Do you honestly believe that NOBODY on this entire planet was able to grab a full version or a beta version through luck?

    Even it was warez that this guy aquired.. it isn't any of your business. He posted a simple thread about the workings of Flash MX.. period. If warez is mensioned at all in the thread.. then delete it.

    Nobody here knows the inner workings of the Macromedia Corporation. Nobody here knows whether they use warez as a "strategy" or they think its an "annoyance". Further, nobody here can ever stop warez except MM themselves.

    I just think you guys are attempting to be some sort of "police" in the community. Just relax, you won't change anything anyway. If you don't want warez addicts.. then delete posts that actually contain "warez" in them.. not posts that SUPPOSEDLY IMPLY that warez exist.

    We are all human beings.. it just pisses me off when certain human beings act like they are above the rest. I can bet you all of my ATB CD's that you have downloaded warez once or twice in your life AT LEAST, MG33. Don't try to act like you, nor the rest of the moderators, are these holy people that never stepped on a roach or ant before. Maybe if you chill out and realize that people will be people, then you won't have to waist your time explaining these things to us.. and i won't have to waist my time explaining anything to you.

    If this post seems rather offensive.. go ahead and delete it.. it will prove my point. But, since i'm not the moderator, i can't do a damn thing and i know it. So i abide by the rules because this is the best source on the internet for Macromedia Flash users world-wide.

    Those are my fifty cents worth.

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    ...that's more than $ 0.50...

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    Originally posted by Mr_King_Kong_Zilla
    Creedance has posted the most intelligent post so far.

    I just think you guys should relax. For some reason, the average Joe seems to think he is smarter than the President of a multi-million dollar corporation... hummm.

    How can you sit on somebodies head for posting about a program that isn't out yet? Yes, the moderators have full control.. thats why you don't see me posting about such things on this forum.

    I just don't understand one thing... who named you guys the kings of the universe? I mean no offense, but how can you justify what is illegal and what is legal? I just want you to think about all of the human beings that rome this earth... and i want you to think of the size of this earth. Do you honestly believe that NOBODY on this entire planet was able to grab a full version or a beta version through luck?

    Even it was warez that this guy aquired.. it isn't any of your business. He posted a simple thread about the workings of Flash MX.. period. If warez is mensioned at all in the thread.. then delete it.

    Nobody here knows the inner workings of the Macromedia Corporation. Nobody here knows whether they use warez as a "strategy" or they think its an "annoyance". Further, nobody here can ever stop warez except MM themselves.

    I just think you guys are attempting to be some sort of "police" in the community. Just relax, you won't change anything anyway. If you don't want warez addicts.. then delete posts that actually contain "warez" in them.. not posts that SUPPOSEDLY IMPLY that warez exist.

    We are all human beings.. it just pisses me off when certain human beings act like they are above the rest. I can bet you all of my ATB CD's that you have downloaded warez once or twice in your life AT LEAST, MG33. Don't try to act like you, nor the rest of the moderators, are these holy people that never stepped on a roach or ant before. Maybe if you chill out and realize that people will be people, then you won't have to waist your time explaining these things to us.. and i won't have to waist my time explaining anything to you.

    If this post seems rather offensive.. go ahead and delete it.. it will prove my point. But, since i'm not the moderator, i can't do a damn thing and i know it. So i abide by the rules because this is the best source on the internet for Macromedia Flash users world-wide.

    Those are my fifty cents worth.
    this is what i call a real person who knows what he's talking about. its total B/S that we can't have conversation that warez exists......i got banned for saying "your community has grown because of warez"...and why? because they know its true.

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    Originally posted by injoy311

    this is what i call a real person who knows what he's talking about. its total B/S that we can't have conversation that warez exists......i got banned for saying "your community has grown because of warez"...and why? because they know its true.
    And we're all aware of the reason for your second ban.

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    Well.. lets kiss old "free of speech" goodbye. Its official, Flashkit has become yet another "Corporate Wannabe". How pathetic. Why not join Gamespy while you're at it?

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    Well.. lets kiss old "free of speech" goodbye. Its official, Flashkit has become yet another "Corporate Wannabe". How pathetic. Why not join Gamespy while you're at it?

    yea no kidding.....flashkit, you may be building a good reputation for macromedia, but you are certainly ruining your reputation for the people that make you.

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    to answer this thread

    To answer this thread, FlashKit IS a corporate site. We are bound by all the laws of the US, and we are liable if we break those laws. That includes anyone posting porn, warez, etc. on this discussion forum. This isn't a script-kiddies site...if you're after warez, porn, or other sundry things, you can go elsewhere for it. Freedom of speech? This is a business site, and like any other, you choose to agree to these rules when you post here. We provide the Flash community with this place, and for the most part, everyone here contributes to this community and makes it a better place to be. You're not paying to be here, it's free. Those of you who are complaining about freedom of speech being violated have every right to take yourself somewhere else where your warez threads or porn threads will be fully accepted. John is doing a great job with FlashKit, and deserves your cooperation. Those of you who have a problem with him can contact me personally at scott@internet.com. Those of you who think warez is protected speech can also feel free to contact me. And those of you who think we're kissing MM's butt, trust me, ANY warez that is posted here will meet with the same result. In short, it's illegal, and is in no way protected. As soon as we see it, we'll delete it and ban the poster.

    Thanks to all the wonderful mods here...we couldn't do it without you all. Scott out...

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    enjoy311,

    The only way you can have a legitimate version of Flash MX at this very moment in time is that you are on the Macromedia Beta.

    You are not on the Macromedia Beta because, if you were then you wouldnt have asked a technical question on these live forums about Flash MX, there is a whole lotta technical questions and answers on the Macromedia Beta Mailing List - Each day, that is the place you would have naturally gone to if you were legitimate!

    I rest my case! I suggest you lay low, until the release date(Friday, 15th March) with your warez version of Flash MX and stop dropping yourself into the view of Macromedia's Piracy Department. Use your common sense.

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    Originally posted by braindamage94
    yea no kidding.....flashkit, you may be building a good reputation for macromedia, but you are certainly ruining your reputation for the people that make you.


    what's next? justifying knocking over old ladies?

    Fine, it's evident that some of you people want warez, can't afford it, but are more than willing to advertise that you are willing to beg for warez, than work for it.

    nobody has sold out here.

    all of this, we can't talk about warez stuff, blah, blah. ever read your agreement to this site beforehand?

    I've seen two admins, more than two mods, all say the same thing in this thread. you can talk about the program. but do not talk about how to obtain it illegally. is that so hard!?

    what else needs to be said? I mean, seriously? I've heard every argument/justification for warez ever. And I mean ever. And usually a lot better stated than any of the above.

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    Well, its great that you can point to extravagent point to us.. how about telling the rest of your cronies?

    Don't forget that a member got banned twice (look above) for simply stating his opinion, that Flashkit has succeeded thanks to warez.

    Another person's thread was deleted, why? BECAUSE HE POSTED ABOUT FLASH MX.. and the moderators THOUGHT that he got it illegaly with ABSOLUTELY no proof whatsoever. He didn't even give off a hint. They just thought since Flash MX wasn't officially released.. its impossible for anyone on these boards to have it. The word "warez" wasn't even mensioned in his post.

    So.. HUH! lol

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    Another person's thread was deleted, why? BECAUSE HE POSTED ABOUT FLASH MX.. and the moderators THOUGHT that he got it illegaly with ABSOLUTELY no proof whatsoever. He didn't even give off a hint. They just thought since Flash MX wasn't officially released.. its impossible for anyone on these boards to have it. The word "warez" wasn't even mensioned in his post.
    He asked a technical question about Flash Mx, "how do i do this... with Flash Mx?", as you are already aware, Flash MX isnt available to the General Public until Friday 15th March, therefore nobody but Beta Testers and Macromedia Employees or Affiliates/Partners should have a copy of the program, anybody that does, and its obvious that alot of people do, has obtained it illegally, either from another beta tester, an ftp site, a warez site or a friend, all of which are illegitimate sources.

    The person who asked the question,"how do i do this... in Flash Mx?", obviously had a copy of Flash MX, the guy wasnt a Macromedia Employee, or an affiliate or partner of Macromedias, and he wasnt a beta tester, how do i know he wasnt a beta tester? because i used my common sense, firstly, if he was a beta tester, he would be breaking NDA, secondly if he was a beta tester, then he would have been aware that there is a Flash MX Beta Mailing List where you are to ask questions and post bugs etc... that is where all beta testers have and will continue to ask questions until release, the guy didnt post his question on there either because he didnt have access to it, or he didnt know about it, if he was a beta tester then he would have been automatically subscribed to it, in which case he would have known about it when he was recieveing 50-100 emails a day from the list. The conclusion, he had an illegal copy, hence his thread was deleted.

    Nuff said, use your common sense before blurting out in peoples defense, im sure you really know deep down that he was in the wrong not us, your just bored at home and have nothing better to do than argue the toss with Flashkit for three days.

    Peace out...

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    The only beta testers that I know of from FlashKit were Guru and Myself. If you want to talk about features were more than happy to do that, but the down and dirty has to wait until Friday. Its only a few days, lets all just take it easy and talk about it then.

    I am closing this thread as its has served it purpose. Regards, Bill

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