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    Originally posted by johnie

    5 glasses of tea (No herbal tea),
    why not herbal tea? I also remember reading tea being linked to kidney stones, was it herbal tea that was the culprit?
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    Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
    why not herbal tea? I also remember reading tea being linked to kidney stones, was it herbal tea that was the culprit?
    Herbal Tea does not contain Camille Sinensis leaves and hence are not true teas.

    Herbal tea is pretty much any mixture of dried herbs and/or fruit ground and then infused through water. They can contain calories and there are no associated health benifits (Reduction in heart problems and cancer) from herbal infusions/tinctures in general although some specific infusions may have health benifits.

    They also lack caffine and fluoride that true tea contains. Caffeine is a natural appatite surpressent and stimulant. Not only do you want to eat less your body also burns more calories.

    The downside of this is that minerals like Iron, Calcium, Vit C, and Vit B do not absorb as well when you take caffeine and consume tannins. So you counter balance that by drinking calcium fortified beverages (Read Calcium Fortified Juices) in addition/in place of tea at breakfast, eat/drink soy products (they increases your bodies ability to absorb calcium), use calcium enriched vegtable spreads/butter, or take a multi viatimin/eat a viatamin enriched ceral, such as Total, in the morning. Likewise you should not consume coffee or tea with your meals or directly after them if you have problems with anemia or bone density is a problem, drink OJ/SoyMilk at breakfast, Water/Milk/Soy Milk/ Juice/ Non-Caffinated Diet Soda at lunch, and wine at dinner.

    If you have anemia or bone problems you should probably avoid caffeine altogether. Drink decafeinated green/black teas in this case, avoid all Colas and softdrinks (except decaffeinated ones), avoid chocolate, consume more soy products, take multi viatmines/ eat heavily viatamine fortified cerals, and consume more calcuim and iron enriched foods- such as calcuim enriched OJ, Calcium enriched breads, Calcuim enriched vegitable spreads/butters, ect.

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    Hi There--

    Lost 55 pounds using a combination of the Zone and the Hacker's diet.

    Here's the link for the Hacker's diet. It was devised by the guy who developed Autocad. Found himself with time and money and a vast waistline. He wrote this book and put it online. It's the most rational look at weight loss I've found.
    http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html

    The Zone was developed by Barry Sears, MD.. The ratio of 40% carbs, 30% fat and 30% protein is the balance that you eat.

    Here's his URL:
    http://www.drsears.com/

    I found that I couldn't lose weight unless I balanced it out to be more like 40% protein, 30% carbs and 30% fat.

    The first 30 pounds came off by managing my diet just with ratios. But then I needed to reduce my caloric intake. The ratios helped me control my appetite while I did that.

    Muscle burns calories, so developing muscle worked better for me than aerobic exercise.

    A word on fat. If this is the first time you've been overweight, it's better to learn how to manage it before it gets way out of hand.

    There are a few distinct plateaus that your body goes through where the metabolism just drops and you gain weight without changing any habits. Recognizing when these occur earlier rather than later really helps. Remaining in denial causes weight gain and other health problems. One of these plateaus occurs at around the age of 30, and another around the age of 40 and again pretty much every ten years.

    Good luck!

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    That 40%, 30%, 30% diet is pretty much what most textbooks will tell you. In fact if you take some sort of exercise class at almost any Uni they will give you a packet on diet that will break it down like that (Carbs, Fats, and Protien), although not quite in that ratio- they usualy tell you 50 C, 30 P, 20 F or more common 60 C, 30 P, 10 F.

    Besides being Fat there are other health concerns. The two biggest being heart disease and Cancer. You want to shift your diet to foods that lower cholestoral and Poly-saturated fats while at the same time consume foods which will lower your cholesteral levels and lower your risks for cancer. There is evidence that fiber will lower your risk for colon cancers. There is evidence that Tea and certain vegitables lower your chance for cancers. There is also evidence that soy, okra, red wine in moderation and other vegitables will lower your cholestoral levels as well as drugs.

    The trick with any diet is that the change can not be temporary. The change must be permenant so anything you can not stick with will do you no good in the long run.

    It also isn't as simple as the Hacker Diet makes it out to be. Protiens and Fats actually take more energy to break down as do simple sugars. This is why the Atkins diet reduces weight. You consume the same amount of calories but instead of consuming simple sugars which break down easily your body must work to break them down and many of the calories go through the system without being broken down. This is also why doctors detest the Atkins diet. Yes you will loose weight on Atkins but it is like winning the battle and loosing the war. A sustained high protien high fat diet will add stress to the kidneys and clog your atteries. So basically you loose weight but kill your heart and kidneys which is worse than being 10-20 pounds overweight.

    Basicaly if you look at a real diabetic or hypoglycimic "diet" they are balanced out so that you get a few simple sugars followed by fats and protiens in the same meal. This is becuase the simple sugars- Fruits, pastas, vegitables, pastas break down easily and enter the bloodstream first. The Fats and protiens consumed in the same meal will break down latter. the goal in any diabetic / Hypoglycimic "diet" (They are really guidlines with combinations of carb counting the dietary guidlines come from the ADA and typically a nutritionist sits down and explains them) is to stablize the blood suger by combining foods that break down quickly with foods that break down slowly so that there is always a steady level of sugar in the blood. If you also hav ever seen one they typically have you eating the entire day in smaller portions.

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    johnie, it's official.

    You know everything about everything man!

    Impressive!

    Naw guys, for the record, after two years of not being able to work out, I have to change my metabolism a bit - work this sedentary weight off. Working out/cardio has enabled me to drop 11 pounds in just a week with a modified version of my diet whilst in college when I worked out religiously.

    hey, the girls liked it!

    But the drop in carbs was from my nutritionist. So was the drop in wheat and milk. found out I'm actually more lactose intolerant than I thought, and my body doesn't process wheat well enough.

    The portions part is the biggest part of it all.

    Now the sciences about simple sugars and what not... damn. I've learned a lot in this thread alone!

    Keep up the discussion. I've gotten other people at my office to read this.


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    Anyhow depending on your nutrionist they will or will not mention the GI index. The GI index is the quality of the carbohydrate. Some carbohydrates will boost your blood suguar level higher faster than others. This is why Atkins works and what it is based on- Protiens and Fats raise blood sugar levels much more slowly than lets say refined sugar. The GI index is basically only important if you suffer from a glucose intolerance of some sort- Hyper or Hypo Glycemia.

    Interestingly enough even though the initial reserach on GI levels was done by US reserachers it is Canadain doctors that focus on it. In the US the doctors typically focus on the amount of carbs versus the quality of carbs.

    This is in large part becuase most US meal plans take into account the GI Index at a more basic level- probably becuase the US doctors think that the US patients will be confused by GI Indexes and give them a more simplified tool. Anyhow a quick google search brings up the Canadian Diabetic guidlines Beter than the US FDA's as those wacky canadians are more intrested in actually treating the patient than getting the patient to go see an expensive specialist or purchase an exhorbently expensive kit http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About/glycemic.asp

    Basically if you go to a nutrionist in the US with a sugar problem they will sit down with you and work out a meal plan based on your diatery needs taking into account several factors such as, your wieght, family history, and activity level. They basically break down your foods into carbohydrates, Starches, Dairy, Meats, and vegatables (Basically the food pyramid- the canadian system is only slightly different). Each group breaks down what food and serving size equals one serving specificaly. You are told to eat X amount of each at each meal and to snack in between and are told to eat at X time of the day.

    This works becuase you exchange foods in each group. The meal plan you work out with the specialist will automatically be balanced so that the GI indexes of the foods you eat will be different basically becuase the GI index of each exchange group is different.

    Exercise alone tpically will not cause weight loss, however it will cause your blood sugar to stabalize- regardless if you had a glucose tolerance problem or not, and will make you feel better in general. 90 minutes of exercise spread out evenly over a week will tend to lower your blood pressure, help stablize your blood sugar, and tend to cause an affect on your sense of well being.

    Also consider that large shifts in weight can signify a much larger problem, such as depresion or the onset of type II diabetes- quite common in the US. If you pack on some pounds all of a sudden you should probably go see a doctor- sounds as if you have already done so Gerbrick.

    Exercise and making behavrial changes so as to exclude negative affect- such as exercising when you start to have inapropriate or depressing thoughts can work to treat depresion- EG if you are thinking about exercising then you are less likley to dwel on why or even that you are depressed- This is actually one of the ways that a behaviorlist would treat depresion.

    Anyhow if you are lactose intolerant it isn't that bad anymore. The new diary anologs made from soy concentrate and soy flour+water are not that bad. Additionally you could order cammel dairy products (If you want to spend some cash) which are lactose free.

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    yeah, went to the doctor. already have the inability to process potassium and other simple salts in my body easily. with the addition of the last set of treatments, the sugars were also affected it seems.

    there wasn't a onset of weight gain immediately. It's been from the weird combinations of medicines over the last two years; however not being able to work out - not high impact at least - didn't help. and my body was used to work outs.

    anyway, yeah. I'm not diabetic by no means. But with a bunch of medicines playing havoc in my system, the metabolism of simple sugars and carbs... well wasn't happening. that was a side effect of the protein blocking agent they had given me.

    right now, it's all about jump starting my metabolism, cleaning out my system of these medicines - god, I think one of them stays in your system, detectable, for a looooong time - and then getting back my stamina.

    for the record, it was one year of chemo-therapy, followed with radiation with a protein inhibitor and a steroid (prednisone). with a recent clean bill of health, I'm concentrating on working back out, and getting myself - now 29 years old and not responding like I used to my typical diet and workout regimen - back into shape. metabolism has slowed way down too. getting old man!

    for the record, soy milk ain't half bad. Just gotta ignore how it looks though. ew!

    Getting the rest into place will take time. But I'm having to make some sweeping changes. mostly due to the change in my age.

    oh well... you're right about the GI. was mentioned, but that's not the problem.

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    SunSoy chocolate is proably the best of the lot , at leat to my taste, of the Soy Milk. Its got a nice brown color and taste like hershey bars. The SunSoy original is nasty though.

    You probably sat down with the doctor already and worked out a diet- if not hit the canadian diabetic society nutrition page http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About...tionIndex.asp- the full Canadian diet guidlines are in PDF. The guidlines should help with the not being able to process carbs. Another thing to watch out for is mood and inhibitted affect swings due to low blood sugar. There is no secrete to any of the diabetic guidlines, although in the US the book writers and kit makers would like you to think so. The Guidlines are basically eat a good balanced diet. Everyone really should be eating to these guidlines anyhow instead of the 4 basic food groups or that whacked out monstrosity known as the food pyramid.

    Low impact exercise- walking, swimming, and the such along with isometrics could help you get back into shape until you are up to lifting or higher impact exercise.

    I dug around and found the US National Instute of Health Pamphlets... http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pub...g_ez/index.htm

    more good stuff- http://www.nih.gov/
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    Basically, I agree with everything that Johnie says. In defense of the Hacker's diet, it has some tools and a very rational way of looking at weight loss. I wouldn't do it alone, though.

    I'd like to introduce the concept of nutritional density. You want as much nutrition as you can get in as few calories. Check out what foods are high in antioxidants, like chickpeas and blueberries and add them to your diet. See what foods do double duty nutritionally, you'll find that when you eat nutritionally dense foods, you have fewer carb cravings.

    You also may want to check out supplementing with Omega 3 Fatty acids. They can help you lose weight as well as do a million other really great things for you. Found in fish (mostly salmon and the oily fish), flax oil, and hemp oil, they're widely touted as alpha and omega of dietary discovery in the last decade. The flax oil used in place of olive oil in salad dressings lends a nice, smokey flavor. The molecular structure is fragile, so keep refrigerated. (Also, buy refrigerated versions at the health food stores.)

    One food that I've found extremely helpful is Edamame. It's frozen soybeans in the shell and you boil them up in about 5 minutes and add salt or other seasoning. There is evidence that soy prevents some cancers as well as having a pretty well balanced protein to carbs ratio. For me, they're high in fiber and quick to make and I don't have to worry. They take a long time to eat when they're in the shells, so you stop being hungry before you've consumed a lot of calories. Also, people think that you're way hip when you serve them.

    Hope this is helpful,

    Cheers,

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