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    So minijuegos.com stole my half finished flash

    My space shooter, plus a bunch of other games that have been posted here lately, like sylvania (sp?) and that rather professional looking golf game are all currently featured on minijuegos.com as recent games.

    The version of mine they happened to grab is a broken test version as well... Don't know if that's a good thing or not. (though it's certainly bad for minijuegos)

    So now comes the part where I stop working on the game and start working on protecting it. The most recent version is protected from some things, but unfortunately I dont have the option of .htaccess (my webhost isn't very helpful either :/ ) so I can't stop an external html page from directly embedding the swf off my site, which as I see it is the worst kind of leeching... Or can I stop this some other way?

    P.S. Minijuegos guy, you obviously read these forums, please remove my unfinished game from your site.

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    I thought Sylvana was done by that same dude from the 2 Kingdoms dude, Luxregina. My bad

    But well, to the topic, that really sux that they are ripping of your work without your permission like that.
    However, maybe they site host games, and guests can send them. So its not for sure that the owner of the site is also the "thief".

    At least they are not using them for commercial use... they could give you the artist credentials, if they did it would be great for you!!

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    I think sites like these and their methods for getting games have been mentioned in threads a few times before.

    At least they are not using them for commercial use...
    They are being used for commercial purposes in a sense as they rip/leach the swf and put their own ads around it to generate revenue.

    The site owner is ultimately responsible but they will just say (if anything) that they thought they had permission from the creator, besides if you get it removed from one site it'll only pop up on another

    from my point of view, I accept this happens and there's little I can do about it - I only post work here that has been paid for, so it's no longer my problem

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    Why not add a check in the flash swf? if address is not www.mydomain.com/game/game.html, redirect to www.mydomain.com/game/?

    Check if the constant _root._url contains your domain name, if not, redirect to a php file on your server which checks where it came from, and woila, you have protected yourself against sites like minirippers. whoops, my bad... minijuegos i mean.

    EDIT:

    Came to think about that it will probly not work with frames, but there's many scripts that protect against that on the net.

    EDIT2:

    That was easy. Just put this inside the <head></head> tags:
    <script>
    <!--
    if (window!= top)
    top.location.href=location.href
    // -->
    </script>

    The only way anybody can rip your game now is to reverse engineer them, and if they do, they are at least not stealing your bandwidth!

    I'll try to create an example soon
    Last edited by T1ger; 09-12-2004 at 06:11 PM.

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    They are also pumping level 1 from RABMO, another unfinished game a few spots below Sylvaniah.

    On a similar note, Vertical Advantage popped up on a site today so I've emailed their administrator telling them about their option to either license the game or take it down.

    On a very similar note, I've had no luck with getting a ripped copy of Crazy Closet off another site.

    The internet is like the wild wild west. You've got to be your own Sherrif which unfortunately takes time away from producing games, since before you know it all you will be doing is protecting them. Its a sad state of affairs and a wee bit depressing. I think I'll give that .htaaccess thing a go and maybe a few other tricks mentioned here at FK.


    That reverse engineering BS is way too common right now. Damn ActionScript Viewer and all who reverse engineer! So you've got to lock the game to your site and jumble up the code and hope it all works like it should. What a pain in the bottom.

    Quite some months ago I thought that a measure of success would be; having your games ripped and shown all over. What the hell was I thinking? I find it an extreme nuisance when some bloke is making dough from his banners/traffic and the work is all yours (and the guy who did the sound, graphics, etc...you get the point). The biggest pisser is that all my games are currently free, so it burns me when someone steals this "free" material. Its like some bum stuffing his pockets at the soup kitchen and opening a restaurant down the street with the soup kitchen's food. Aooooh that makes me mad!

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    Ok, here is a bulletproof solution to bandwidth-stealing (i think):

    http://www.aleksanderstrand.com/secure/

    try to link to it from your site, in a frame, whatever... It will always redirect to http://www.aleksanderstrand.com/secure/

    only option is reverse engineering.

    (of course, there can be things I've overseen, but i cant manage to view this swf on another domain)

    edit: ops, this thread wasnt about bandwidth-stealing at all, but with my method, you cant even host it yourself, it will redirect anyway.
    Last edited by T1ger; 09-12-2004 at 06:32 PM.

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    Copyright your games

    Use at least the _url check + some other variable to make sure your .swf can only be played at the URL you specify. It's important because even if they hotlink, you can always see this in your stats and simply change file names.

    For example they posted our game up there a couple of days ago, we replaced the game file with a short message, and they took it off themselves very quickly.

    If they reverse -engineer, or just hack the .swf to remove the _url check, then you're talking about a more serious copyright violations and theft. You have a good case in court or demanding that their host shuts them down. ( while different forms of linking fall into some muddy legal areas, hacking your .swf and stealing it does not )

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    Good! Then my solution could be the doom for minijuegos.com... Check the thread i posted

    Xander.

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    Your bandwidth is easily leeched via this method:

    Nothing is bullet proof t1ger

    And sorry to pee on your bonfire tiger, here is another little trick to get round your url code. sorry

    (decided not to post this link as I have never seen this workaround implemented yet so I do not want to show potential thieves how to hack it. Trust me though t1ger it was very easy to bypass your _url check.) (if you PM me t1ger I will send you the link and you can see how I got around it)


    The sad thing about this sort of thing is it will eventually stop members posting WIP on these forums which will be a real shame.

    On a positive note I am glad that at last FLash games are showing their worth. If webmasters are grabbing anything they can get their hands on e.g demos, WIP then this is promising for the future.

    My only advice here i'm afraid is that if you don't want it shown before it is finished then don't upload it.

    I rarely upload anything, but if I do I take it down after testing. usually after a couple of days.



    p.s there is a way to stop what I have done in the link above using php and sessions, but the security checks can sometimes fail or become very slow (if the site is busy) and this can be extremely annoying for players.
    Last edited by murraymint; 09-12-2004 at 09:24 PM.
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    Ha. Hablomos d'el Diablo....
    "Let It Snow
    Te caeran copos de nieve, tienes que ir subiendo sobre ellos para llegar a lo más alto para pasar de nivel"
    Doesn't take long now, does it?

    After all the SHIfT I was talkin' about earlier and they have another game. When it rains it pours. Perhaps all this exposure will help the kendude.com name? We will see about that.

    Well boys...It looks like they are hosting it on thier servers:
    PHP Code:
    <param name=movie value="http://www.minijuegosgratis.com/juegosf/letitsnow.swf">
                        <
    param name=quality value=high>
                        <
    embed src="http://www.minijuegosgratis.com/juegosf/letitsnow.swf" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/ 

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    Are you at least including _url check in your .swf or something else?

    Then they couldn't just take your .swf to host on their servers. Not without some hacking or workarounds.

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    edit:

    didnt see how murraymint did the first example until now, and i see that it's no use.

    I'll keep trying to find a method to protect swf's have one in mind right now
    Last edited by T1ger; 09-13-2004 at 01:24 AM.

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    Ok, here it is. Try to steal this:

    http://www.aleksanderstrand.com/secure/

    (there should be a 2 in the swf. if not, or you dont know what i mean, update or f5)

    i dont think you can do murraymint

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    Yes, minijuegos can be a pain is the *** !

    If you are fetaured there, then you should check soon :

    - http://www.pumbo.com/

    - http://www.muchosjuegos.com/ ( or their many, many aliases !!! )

    - http://www.akuku.pl/

    as they seems to feature quite the same games at the same time ...

    For the information, our host had to adapt to the incredible traffic these sites generate : so far, in 4 days, they ate more than 20Gb of bandwith, and it's not slowing down ...

    Sylvaniah even entered in the top 100 000 of the most visited sites of the web, as it was 72 000 two days ago ...

    This would make us happy if all that traffic wasn't slowing down our site so much ...

    Ho, and by the way - sylvaniah is a game from Strille and myself, to reply to Sagess i think slight meant, his space shooter, plus a bunch of other games from FK members ...

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    There are ways to protect your swf. When posting valuable content (such as a game), I use 3 different security measures:

    1) the swf checks the current url, if it is disimilar to my own URL, the page is redirected
    2) the swf loads a movieclip located on my domain. if it can't reach it, the page is redirected. If it can and everythings fine, the movieclip is loaded into the movie and is blank. If I catch someone leaching, I amend this movieclip on my servers to redirect / show porn / show message. this will then appear on their site.
    3) put a timer on your site. If its showed after a certain date, redirect etc. then make sure you constanly update the swf to keep it fresh on your site.

    In all these things, when using a redirect, redirect 'top' and not just the same page.

    Bruce

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    and if you do redirect, redirect to your own pages with gaming / casino affiliate stuff on. Might as well make some money out of these bas*ards bandwidth.

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    Hi t1ger,

    Was easy to beat your file again.

    You should find this works just fine:

    Nothing is bullet proof 3

    It doesn't matter what php script you load or what passwords you use as you have to check it against something in the Flash file. It is easy to see what you are checking for using ASV or something similar.

    I have rarely seen Flash files hacked this way but then again you will be suprised how many developers don't put any security in at all!!

    In my opinion a _url check in most cases will stop webmasters.
    I guess its similar to the following scenario:

    If you find a fiver on the floor you will probably pick it up and keep it, right? We all have.
    However, you would not take someones wallet out of their pocket and take the fiver out would you?

    In other words if a webmaster has to tamper with a file to get it to work he/she may consider this an illegal act as opposed to just copying something which, as far as internet culture is concerned is nothing more than spreading the word.

    A small tip as far as actionscript decompilers are concerned. The demos of the biggest programs only allow viewing of the first five frames of actionscript or 25 lines I think. SO, to keep your script away from the demos put in 25 lines of spaces or comments or keep the security check code after frame 5.

    Another tip is to use flasm. Some small bits of code placed strategically can mess with the decompilers and hide the all important security check.

    If you do this with your file t1ger, I am beaten. I am not about to buy a decompiler just to get a Flash file.

    All those who PM's me regarding the _url workaround I will write back as soon as I can.

    Cheers.



    p.s I am not a hacker, I have beaten these files simply through my knowledge of Flash. Anything I have mentioned can still be beaten by a determined hacker. sorry
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    if you open it on my site, it does goto frame 2, but on your site, it's still at frame 1. I dont know what you mean, because you havent bypassed it.

    EDIT: you might be right, cause i have not installed flash player 7 on my laptop.

    But as you say, it can easily be checked with a decompiler, but then we know that the site has decompiled the sfw if we find it somewhere at least. And i dont think sites like minijuegos goes as far as decompiling the swf to get it on their site though...

    I will check out the most common used decompilers and find out how they work/how much info they reveal.

    But on minijuegos.com, if i click on sylvaniah, the sylvaniah.com site poppes up. how does he do it? please pm me if you do not want to share your method with the public, lux or strille. i will not share it with the world.

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    Trust me, the link does work.

    minijuegos have not done anything special with sylvaniah, they have just recorded the hit using php and then redirected to the official site.

    I think the boys were annoyed because the owner of minijuegos did not ask permission to put the game link there.

    I do find that most people who complain about their stuff being stolen haven't even implemented the basic _url security check. All you can expect really.

    I expect Strille and Lux must have built security in and this is why the owner of minijuegos has simply linked to the official site, rather than taking the actual swf.

    Last edited by murraymint; 09-13-2004 at 08:54 AM.
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