It's not our fault (MS), we blame you and only you!

[Subway]

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...esqa13.art.htm

Q: Speaking of security, Internet Explorer has had well-publicized holes …

Gates: Understand those are cases where you are downloading third-party software.

So yeah, it's your fault, MS has nothing to do with it.

Q: Might you add anti-virus/spyware protection in Windows?

Gates: It's not a thing you build in. You have to offer a service. There are third parties who are doing a good job. We're always taking a hard look, but we don't have any concrete plans.

Yeah, why should we do something against something that is not our fault?

Q: There is talk of a Google browser. Internet Explorer has had its security woes. How do you keep users?

Gates: More has been invested in making IE secure than any browser on the planet by a long shot. Nothing is going to change. That's the one over 90% of people are going to keep using.

Again, it's not our fault, so we have no plans to change anything in the future. It's only your fault!



What a great company that is, they don't do anything wrong ... can anybody tell me what Bill was smoking lately?

Fredi

[1stbite]

quote:Q:That's the one over 90% of people are going to keep using.

lmao last i looked wasn't MSIE down to 76% thats exactly the same as last month and a drop from 77.3% on August...

i want to know how people like this get so successful from stuffing there head so deep in...


stats from: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

[Subway]

Originally posted by 1stbite
lmao last i looked wasn't MSIE down to 76% thats exactly the same as last month and a drop from 77.3% on August...

Maybe he only knows the stats of www.msn.com

Originally posted by 1stbite
i want to know how people like this get so successful from stuffing there head so deep in...

Don't ask me, I'm head shaking about the Bushes of this world for many years.

Fredi

[swampy]

so let me get this straight MS is an evil monopoly which minoritizes third party software distributers because it provides IE with it's OS but it is also evil because it doesn't provide anti virus software with it's OS

[ihoss.com]

No, its evil because they say "What, you want to install products on this machine? Then we don't take any responsiblility anymore." ITs like saying "What? You want to drive your car? Sorry, the insurance doesn't cover that"

[Visionray]

Originally posted by ihoss.com
No, its evil because they say "What, you want to install products on this machine? Then we don't take any responsiblility anymore." ITs like saying "What? You want to drive your car? Sorry, the insurance doesn't cover that"

no not exactly. You buy a car and expect to drive it, just like you buy a computer and expect it to run out of the box.

If you want to attach a flamethrower and all kinds of pimped out equipment on your car, then yes, that can effect your insurance and the auto maker's liability for obvious reasons.

[luvenny]

no more insurance...

[Subway]

Originally posted by Visionray
If you want to attach a flamethrower and all kinds of pimped out equipment on your car, then yes, that can effect your insurance and the auto maker's liability for obvious reasons.

So you say starting up IE and visiting a site on the www or opening a mail in outlook is similar like attaching a flamethrower to a car?

Fredi

[ViRGo_RK]

Oh wow, an anti-MS thread. How original.

[Subway]

Originally posted by ViRGo_RK
Oh wow, an anti-MS thread. How original.

See it as a service.

Or should I use Bills logic and blame you for viewing the thread?

Fredi

[1stbite]

i think my problem with the original post is:

when asked about security problems gates replies

Gates: Understand those are cases where you are downloading third-party software.

then goes on to say when asked about future development and the possiblities of packaging antivirus/spyware software

Gates: It's not a thing you build in. You have to offer a service. There are third parties who are doing a good job. We're always taking a hard look, but we don't have any concrete plans.

so what he is effectivily saying is, our stuff is secure as long as you dont use third party software on your machines... ie only microsoft software, but also he indorses (sp) the fact they don't do antivirus/spyware software 'services' as there plenty of third party vendors doing it already, so doesn't that mean he wants you to install third party software which automatically defaults you back to the answer he gave, 'its not our problem as you installed third party software'.

and isn't he also saying if you buy a computer setup only microsoft software on default settings (ie no setting that might cause a possible security issue) and use it, it will be secure... i think not...

so basically your screwed if you do and screwed if you don't... nice business practise????

[ViRGo_RK]

He said downloading third party software, not installing.

[1stbite]

so how else am i to get my antivirus definition updates then if i don't download???

ie third party download = Norton + download

still screwed either way...

[Subway]

Originally posted by ViRGo_RK
He said downloading third party software, not installing.

Most viruses, worms and trojans install and run without your knowing, they use those many security holes in IE, Outlook and other MS software to do that. You really don't have to install anything.

Fredi

[ViRGo_RK]

I believe what he ment was downloading shady programs, not anti-virus updates.

Look, I'm not defending him, just making sure it's clear.

[1stbite]

my point isn't that the virus comes from the download, just that gates is using third party downloads as an excuse in general...

IMO that would be like a car manufacturer selling you a car minus its door locks, then saying we don't make door locks because theres plenty of third party companies that make good door locks, O by the way if you fit a third party item to the car we are no longer responsible if it get broken into...

you have no choice but to fit the door locks to secure the car, and by doing so automatically relieve the car manufacturer from its responsibility... ????

same with gates its the fact he believes that by not supplying a secure system in the first place which forces you to use a third party (whether thats antivirus/spyware software or anything else), automatically relieves microsoft of any responsiblitiy, which in fact the issues may or may not stem from a third party... but definatly from the insecure microsoft system which gets exploited..

[the sherrif]

Microsoft shouldnt take responsibility for 3rd party software, just like Mozilla shouldnt take responsibility for extentions.

Gates: Understand those are cases where you are downloading third-party software.

thats just rubbish, but since its probable that he knows nothing of the specifics of IE's problems (why should he), what he says isnt axactly from the horses mouth on the subject. The horses mouth is
this place, which has a "fresh IE security update" on the font page.

[ihoss.com]

Originally posted by Visionray
no not exactly. You buy a car and expect to drive it, just like you buy a computer and expect it to run out of the box.

If you want to attach a flamethrower and all kinds of pimped out equipment on your car, then yes, that can effect your insurance and the auto maker's liability for obvious reasons.

No, I buy a computer expecting I can install programs that can run on it.

I wonder what Bill's computer is like, no Office (it doesn't come with the computer), no flashplayer, no java, no USB drivers, no games no nothing. BOORING

[Subway]

I'm pretty sure he's using OS X and Firefox for a long time now, so yeah, he just can't know about IEs problems after all.

Fredi

[swampy]

Originally posted by Subway
So you say starting up IE and visiting a site on the www or opening a mail in outlook is similar like attaching a flamethrower to a car?

Fredi

no but driving through south central or brixton is like visiting certain internet sites