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Originally posted by indivision
It's strange how the international community feels that they should have influence on the vote of a sovereign nation.
yeah, they should follow our (USA) example and simply invade the sovereign nation in order to just install the government they want!
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
yeah, they should follow our (USA) example and simply invade the sovereign nation in order to just install the government they want!
 LOL ...exactly.
davidp.
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Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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Originally posted by david petley
The US invasion of Iraq is just one in a long string of Foreign policy moves by the US government that many in the world find offensive.
david-there are plenty of us Americans who are also offended and outraged by this administration's (and others) actions. hopefully, we will begin to change that tomorrow.  (if not, I may be asking you about the best places to live on your island!)
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Originally posted by indivision
I have to question what it is about the war on terror that they feel so attached to as well. I understand having an opinion about it. But, many act like they have a personal stake in it.
although there are lots of legitimate reasons for the world to be concerned about the war in Iraq let's just explore one,
it has generated an all-volunteer army for terrorists
and these terrorists generally see the world as black and white (hmm, with us or agin us). so ALL western countries are in greater danger from terrorism now than they were before George and Dick's Big Adventure. they have reason to be concerned.
what is it that causes so much hatred of him? <Bush>
we could set up an entire forum dedicated to this one!
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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
Originally posted by indivision what is it that causes so much hatred of him? <Bush>
we could set up an entire forum dedicated to this one!
OOH! Cus!
I Haunt the Shadows...I stalk the blackness of night... I am...
THE CROW!!!
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I'm the good one!
You know what it is Indivision?
Its that Bush stands for everything that modern Socialism is against.
Tony
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Originally posted by XU1
You know what it is Indivision?
Its that Bush stands for everything that modern Socialism is against.
who's preaching socialism now though?
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
Originally posted by XU1
You know what it is Indivision?
Its that Bush stands for everything that modern Socialism is against.
Tony
and also everything that peace lovers are against.
and also everything that environmentalists are against.
Not everybody who disagrees with (or possibly even dislikes about) George Bush is a socialist, either small or big 's'.
Such labels could be perceived as just a lazy person's attempt to find a way to dismiss disagreement without studying each individuals reasons for it. Put it in a box, then we dont need to study it too much, just write a disagreeable label on the top so we know what is inside, and then use it to put everything but our own views in.
davidp.
(not a socialist...more like an anarchist with a sense of community)
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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I agree that there are many reasons to be concerned about the war in Iraq. I just wonder why nobody was filling forums with concern when Saddam was killing people by the dozen on a daily basis. Why is it that Bush has something to do with the concern now?
David P,
I think that your position and the reasoning for it is the exception and not the rule. Your beef seems to be with US policy rather than a specific person. Wouldn't you agree that the hatred for Bush, on the whole, has become at least somewhat reflexive?
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and he pretends to be a cowboy but...
- was born in New Haven, Connecticut
- has no animals on his "ranch"
- has a bad case of hippophobia
that's when he's not pretending to be a fighter pilot or a president.
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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
and he pretends to be a cowboy but...
- was born in New Haven, Connecticut
- has no animals on his "ranch"
- has a bad case of hippophobia
that's when he's not pretending to be a fighter pilot or a president.
What a total jerk.
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Originally posted by indivision
I agree that there are many reasons to be concerned about the war in Iraq. I just wonder why nobody was filling forums with concern when Saddam was killing people by the dozen on a daily basis. Why is it that Bush has something to do with the concern now?
because he is supposedly the leader of the free world and he is now killing Iraqis at a rate greater than SH by some estimates (over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, most of them women and children).
Wouldn't you agree that the hatred for Bush, on the whole, has become at least somewhat reflexive?
nope. Bush has earned our hatred the old fashioned way. by invading and killing folks. by outsourcing our jobs. by running a huge deficit. etc.
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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
because he is supposedly the leader of the free world and he is now killing Iraqis at a rate greater than SH by some estimates (over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, most of them women and children).
nope. Bush has earned our hatred the old fashioned way. by invading and killing folks. by outsourcing our jobs. by running a huge deficit. etc.
Where did you get that 100k figure? The most liberal source I could find has it at around 15k.
If killing folks is a problem for you, I assume that you've been condemning Saddam for the last 20 years as well. If invading a country is bad, I'm guessing you opposed US involvement in Kosovo? What about Normandy? Or are there good and then bad invasions and/or reasons for war?
Do you know what amount of job loss is due to outsourcing in the US? Do you know that outsourcing has allowed some companies to create more jobs?
What did Bush do that caused the deficit? Have we ever had a war during which we were able to cut costs?
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I'm the good one!
Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
nope. Bush has earned our hatred the old fashioned way. by invading and killing folks. by outsourcing our jobs. by running a huge deficit. etc.
Woa there boy........have you forgotten that maybe its because he dosen't want to see your A**s nuked one day?.
Could the plain and simple reason be, that he is after all, just trying to ( God forbid, shock, horror,) fill his solem duty as president to protect his country??
Gerbs: Yes Bush is a more liberal conservative than others before him, this is why I firmly believe that most of the hatred for him is because of his conservative values and his religious beliefs.
Tony
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Domo Arigato!
All right then, Ultima's electoral vote predictor:
Bush 296 Kerry 242 (Bush wins WI, NV, MI, AK, AR, WV, CO, VA, NC, AZ, OH, FL, IA, NM; Kerry wins PA, NJ, HI, WA, MI, ME, MN, OR, NH)
Dark Horse for Bush: Bush wins Pennsylvania, electoral votes stand at Bush 317 Kerry 221.
Dark Horse for Kerry: Kerry wins Ohio, electoral votes stand at Bush 276 Kerry 262.
Even Darker Horse: Bush wins FL, WI, and NM while Kerry wins MN, IA, PA, Ohio, and NH, with the other states going in the direction they are currently leaning. This results in an electoral tie, 269 to 269.
Popular Vote Prediction:
Bush 51% Kerry 49%
Senate Prediction:
54 Republicans, 46 Democrats
House Prediction:
234 Republicans, 201 Democrats
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I love it. Just the fact that you guys compare Bush to Saddam makes this whole thing more fun. "Saddam killed Iraqis and you didn't complain. Now Bush's policy is killing Iraqis and you complain" Why oh why, I wonder. Get a clue, you're answering your own questions!
/Flip
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Originally posted by indivision
Where did you get that 100k figure? The most liberal source I could find has it at around 15k.
here is the latest estimate. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/
maybe they are biased. I don't know. I tried to find out how many Iraqis my tax dollars have killed but all I can find is representatives of our government stating unapologetically that we "don't do body counts". how convenient.
even if they are off by a factor of 10 (which I doubt very much) I kinda have a hard time figuring out Bush's story when he gets to meet Jesus some day. "er, well Jesus, they were bad and I hadda kill them. no I mean we were at risk of being attacked. well, not really at any significant risk. but I had to kill them BEFORE they could become a risk. yeah, that's it. and those babies and women. well, I mean, they were just brown-skinned non-believers so that's OK, right Jesus, right?" if I'm Jesus, he gets on the down elevator.
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Originally posted by indivision
Have we ever had a war during which we were able to cut costs?
have we ever had a president who insisted on a tax cut while we were at war? have we ever lost jobs during and administration? not in any of our lifetimes.
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Originally posted by flipsideguy
I love it. Just the fact that you guys compare Bush to Saddam makes this whole thing more fun. "Saddam killed Iraqis and you didn't complain. Now Bush's policy is killing Iraqis and you complain" Why oh why, I wonder. Get a clue, you're answering your own questions!
/Flip
Next it will be, "Hitler invaded more countries, so Bush ain't so bad..."
True though, why is it the actual issues can never be discussed, and it always resorts to comparing Bush with someone and what our reaction "should" have been... If you can't understand the different reaction that will happen towards a dictator killing within his country, and the leader of the strongest nation on earth invading a nation that effects every other country on earth then there never will be any intelligent discussion possible.
It's very obvious - or should be - why what Bush does causes more concern arpound the world than what Saddam did (rightly or wrongly), so get over it, and try to discuss the actual issues.
I mean, socialism is now being brought into the discussion?! I thought the "with us or against us" thing was only for brainless clods...
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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
have we ever lost jobs during and administration? not in any of our lifetimes.
thats a remarkable fact. care to explain why you think it is?
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