mtv.com/overdrive

**chochweets** · 08-08-2005, 06:57 AM

This is kind of interesting...

MTV broadband

It appears this is windows media embedded in Flash. Anyone have any more insight on what's happening here?

The full screen mode looks really good.

**Cnic** · 08-08-2005, 11:37 AM

Im already not happy with this site.

Upon my arrival I recieved a message stating that it wont support firefox, netscape or mozzilla... only IE..

Then they provide a link to get the latest IE.

grrrr.

**aversion** · 08-08-2005, 12:47 PM

Yeah, that's just lazy, I can't think of anything they could be doing that would require IE only other than they just can't be bothered coding for all browsers. Weak.

**j_hunter182** · 08-08-2005, 01:45 PM

Yeah. I'm not using my ITD ridden Internet Explorer to view it just because of their lazyness. You'd expect better than that really from someone like MTV.

**aversion** · 08-08-2005, 07:05 PM

I tried it in IE for the hell of it and while it's nicely designed it seems to run on with windows media player somewhere in the bg since it wouldn't play anything until I downloaded a 'security upgrade'.

It's nice to look at but I prefer the yahoo video thing, it works without any hassles.

**Cnic** · 08-08-2005, 07:13 PM

Nothing worse than a huge company making a well desiged site that we hate to use.

Big waste.

**MONSTERBOY** · 08-29-2005, 04:33 PM

Aside from all the compatability issues, does anyone know how they embedded the windows media player inside the flash? They did it on www.mtv2.com as well. very interesting...

**robbmcaulay** · 08-29-2005, 06:27 PM

Why are you so sure it's WMP?

**chochweets** · 08-30-2005, 12:08 AM

Yeah, that's just lazy

**MONSTERBOY** · 08-30-2005, 03:04 AM

If you right-click on the video, you get options, including "about" which opens a pop-up that identifies it as windows media player.

anyone have any idea how they imbedded it in there?

**drunknbass** · 08-31-2005, 04:16 PM

yeaif you try to open it in firefox it says you need wmp 9 to play video files.. so i guess the only downside is that it doesnt work in firefox/mozilla

**dbarbarian** · 08-31-2005, 05:27 PM

Firefox sucks at handling flash. This bug is supposed to be fixed with version 1.5
My portfolio runs 50 in IE, but only 25 in firefox.
Maybe that has something to do with it...??

**cellenbu** · 09-08-2005, 10:00 PM

Yes, they are using WMP. They are floating a div over Flash content.

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Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<!-- Overdrive VideoPlayer 1.2.7 -->
<html>
<head>

<title>MTV Overdrive</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/overdrive/css/page_style.css" type="text/css">

<script langauge="JavaScript">
var intro_url = "/overdrive/xml/asx/asx_intro.jhtml"; // initialize variable

intro_url="mms://a1412.v00294.c14176.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1412/14176/v001/mtvcomstor.download.akamai.com/8601/_!/mtv.com/overdrive/assets/od-intro-08-640x480-cut1_416.wmv?auth=caCaBdVbjdZaMcoaOaCdubzdBcrdpdVb5aK-bdioOJ-dHa-CFLxwF&aifp=v1";
</script>

<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/SPERF.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/Utils.1.2.7.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/Events.1.2.7.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/Player.1.2.7.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/PageVals.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/adtracker.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript" event="FSCommand(command,arguments)" for="ODFlash">
try {
var args = arguments.split(",");
var scriptCall = command + "(" + args + ")";
eval(scriptCall);
} catch(e) {}
</script>

<!-- new call -->

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">var sections="&gateway=overdrive&section_1=main";</script>

<!-- automatic insertion -->

<script language="JavaScript">
var if_clientCode = "Not-Signed-In";
var if_nt_userName = "";
var if_nt_login = "0";
var if_nt_numMessages = "0";
var if_nt_span = "";
var if_nt_zyg = "";
var if_nt_demo = "";
var if_nt_era = "";	
var if_nt_bandwidth = "";
var nFootPrints = 0;
function writeMinimalCommunityModule(){}
function writeCommunityModule(){}
function writeMemberModule(){}
</script>

<script language="JavaScript" src="/sitewide/droplets/sectionsetupFiles/personalizationJS.jhtml?thisUrl=%2Foverdrive%2Fplayer.jhtml&footprintUrl=%2Foverdrive%2Fplayer.jhtml"></script>

<script language="javascript" src="/shared/scripts/flash_detect.js"></script>	
<script language="javascript" src="/shared/scripts/Media.js"></script>	
<script language="javascript" src="/shared/scripts/detect_viewpoint.js"></script>	

<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
var extraVals = '';
extraVals = extraVals==""?extraVals:"&"+extraVals;
var if_nt_Screen_Attr = screen.height + "x" + screen.width + "x" + screen.colorDepth;
var if_nt_Flash = flashVersion;
var if_nt_VPNT = VwptVETInstalled;

var docURL = document.location + "";

var partsParts = window.location.pathname;

var if_nt_url= escape(partsParts);

var mep1;
function setMep1(str){
mep1 = str;
}
setMep1(sections + "&pageName=player.jhtml" + "&if_nt_login=" + if_nt_login + "&if_clientCode=" + if_clientCode + "&if_nt_userName=" + if_nt_userName + "&if_nt_bandwidth=" + if_nt_bandwidth + "&if_nt_Screen_Attr=" + if_nt_Screen_Attr + "&if_nt_zyg=" + if_nt_zyg + "&if_nt_span=" + if_nt_span + "&if_nt_demo=" + if_nt_demo + "&if_nt_era=" + if_nt_era + "&if_nt_Flash=" + if_nt_Flash + "&if_nt_VPNT=" + if_nt_VPNT + extraVals);

var bc="&if_nt_Browser_Combination=" + escape(window.navigator.userAgent);
var Site='mtv'; var if_SiteID='2';

</script>	

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript" src="/shared/droplets/sectionsetupFiles/special_rep_calls.js"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/sitewide/scripts/rep.js"></script>	

<!-- SHARED rep_omniture.jhtml -->

<script type="text/javascript" src="/shared/scripts/rep_object.js"></script>

<script type="text/JavaScript" language="JavaScript">
<!-- omni_instantiate -->

var omniCall = new ReportingCall(defaultCall);

var mtv_dloc = window.location.toString();
var mtv_query = window.location.search.toString();
var mtv_dlocParts = mtv_dloc.split("/");
var ocp = omniCall.pageName?omniCall.pageName:"";
var ogt = omniCall.gateway?omniCall.gateway:"";
if(ogt=="asm")omniCall.asm=true;

var mtvnParams = new Object();
var qStr = window.location.search.toString();
if(qStr != ''){
qStr = qStr.substring(1);
var prms = qStr.split('&');
for(i in prms){
prms[i] = prms[i].split('=');
mtvnParams[prms[i][0]] = prms[i][1];
}
}

if(document.referrer.indexOf("yahoo")>=0)
omniCall.partner = "yahoo";

if ( (ogt == "overdrive") && (omniCall.section_1 == "main")) {
omniCall.deleteRepProps('section_1');
}

if ( (ogt == "overdrive") && (omniCall.section_1 == "about" || ocp == "feedback.jhtml" || ocp == "thanks.jhtml" || omniCall.section_1 == "install") ) {
omniCall.channel = null;
}

if (mtvnParams.deepLink)
omniCall.deepLink = mtvnParams.deepLink;

if (ocp.indexOf("display_") >= 0){
omniCall.OD_rollUp = "DETECT_PAGE";
omniCall.channel = null;
}

if ( omniCall.section_2 == "ma05" && !omniCall.section_3 ) {
omniCall.resetPath('/onair/movieawards/ma05/home/index.jhtml');
}

<!-- end omni_instantiate -->

</script>	
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript" src="/sitewide/scripts/omni_config.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript" src="/shared/scripts/omni_functions.js"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript" src="/overdrive/scripts/s_code_remote.alt.js"></script></div>

</head>

<body>

<object name="dmClient" id="dmClient" classid="clsid:A142B305-DCC9-4591-A7CB-CDB4817A1C1D"></object>
<object name="dmQueue" id="dmQueue" classid="clsid:1BAD0830-AC09-44FA-8A44-5365AEB45D11"></object>

<iframe id="adFrame" src="/overdrive/ad.jhtml" width="180" height="150" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

<div id="holder">

<object id="Player" width="416" height="312" type="application/x-oleobject"
codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=9,0,0,1954"
classid="CLSID:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6" >
<param name="uiMode" value="invisible" />
<param name="stretchToFit" value="true" />
<param name="enableContextMenu" value="false" />
</object>

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">	
Player.windowlessVideo = (parseInt(Player.versionInfo) >= 10) ? true : false;
Player.attachEvent("PlayStateChange", onPlaystateEvent);
Player.attachEvent("PositionChange", onPositionEvent);
Player.attachEvent("Buffering", onBufferingEvent);
Player.attachEvent("currentItemChange", onCurrentItemEvent);
Player.attachEvent("OpenStateChange", onOpenstateEvent);
Player.attachEvent("StatusChange", onStatusEvent);
Player.attachEvent("Error", onErrorEvent);
</script>

<script type="text/JavaScript">
var clientScreenSz = window.screen.width + "x" + window.screen.height;
var embed = new Array(
'<object id="ODFlash" width="1400" height="555" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,0,0" type="application/x-oleobject">',
'<param name="movie" value="OverdriveHost.swf">',
'<param name="allowScriptAccess" value="sameDomain" />',
'<param name="flashVars" value="overdriveSwf=Overdrive.1.2.1.swf&dataUrl=/overdrive/xml/files/data.jhtml%3Fname%3D&cssUrl=/overdrive/css/flash_style.css&bkgUrl=bkg/OverdriveBkg.swf&typesUrl=/overdrive/xml/contentTypes.jhtml&dataRefreshRate=-1&clientScreen=' + clientScreenSz + '&gateway_name=&content_id=&content_type_id=&video_id=&playlist_id=" />',
'<param name="wmode" value="opaque" />',
'<param name="menu" value="false" />',
'<param name="bgcolor" value="#1C8DA5" />',
'</object>');
document.write(embed.join('\n'));
</script>

</div>

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="http://amch.questionmarket.com/adsc/d208158/2/208411/randm.js"></SCRIPT> 
<div style="display:none" id="dynamic_logic"></div>

</body>
</html>

**MONSTERBOY** · 09-08-2005, 11:30 PM

Is their main reason for using Windows Media because the compression is good and streaming is good? What's the pros and cons of WMV/FLV formats, anyone know?

**cellenbu** · 09-09-2005, 08:18 AM

WMV can detect line speed and make adjustments on the fly. Look at the video full screen. I think the quality speaks for itself. Plus, try taking a screen print of the video. You can't.

**villain2** · 09-10-2005, 08:05 PM

Windows Media (ie. Microsoft) is trying to specialize their content to decrease on the incoming surge of Firefox and Netscape users who realize those are better browsers.

I was working on an RSS video feed (they finally have some good ones out there now) to integrate into an upcoming project I'm doing, and you can only view the videos with IE ... and they're Windows Media Videos.

I think this is just a way to force people to use the browser to see these high level video sites like Overdrive and MSN Videos.

FI · 09-11-2005, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by MONSTERBOY

Is their main reason for using Windows Media because the compression is good and streaming is good? What's the pros and cons of WMV/FLV formats, anyone know?

There is only 1 dilemma to force you to use WMV over FLV, its DRM, Digital Rights Management. Thankfully streaming videos solves that problem using FLV and you can get a much more seamless experience when using one format instead of 2. MTV overdrive does a good job of using the 2 formats but yet its so far away. This application would have been impressive if it came out 5 years ago.

FLV video has much bigger penetration rate than Windows media, quick time, real player.

Hope that answers your question.

**ryanhome** · 09-11-2005, 12:15 PM

Not impressed as it does not support Firefox and uses Windows media player to stream content requiring me to aquire a licence for each 60 second clip. Would have thought MTV could have done better than this!

Ryan

**villain2** · 09-11-2005, 04:43 PM

I reiterate, they're probably working a contract through Microsoft, who wants push Explorer as the browser you MUST use ... yes, it sucks, but that's why they're doing it.

**aversion** · 09-11-2005, 05:26 PM

Why would MS have a contract with MTV?

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