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    Hydrogen Car

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfON...2C81C6&index=3

    Okay now tell me the technology is too new

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    I dont remember who said something like that but, the problem is, we cant dig a hole in the ground and find hydrogen there, and unless we find some unknow sorce there will always be necessary the extra energy to separate hydrogen from water, and someone also said that every chemical reaction requires some energy, thats true, the problem is that that makes 2 reactions, one for the hydrolisis of the water and the otner fot the combustion of the hydrogen, wich makes me wonder if it would not be more economic to use that to go straight to the batery of a electric car
    I gess nissan is making one for 2010 but im not sure

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    This should sum up why Hydrogen Cars are inefficient:


    Why not just have electric cars?

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    Same thing i said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihoss.com
    Why not just have electric cars?
    Because the oil companies will still be able to have hydrogen filling stations?

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    But if they can consider other things they can charge to fill electric cars baterys too, they will loose money choosing hydrogen

    Anyway, nissan's electric car is comming already

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    http://www.revaindia.com/aboutevs.htm

    - This car has been around in India for over a decade - but no buyers !
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    Fuel cells seem to be the best bet so far. I'm not a big fan of driving around with a tank of compressed hydrogen. So few people seem to understand the dangers inherent in highly compressed gas.
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    That indian one is different, is designed to be small and slow, nissan's one will use a new generation of bateries and goes from 0 to 100km/h in 13 secs, like gasoline cars, the guy said
    As oil prices goes inevitably up, it may be an option, time will tell

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    you might find this interesting:
    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

    Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera's lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.
    The new catalyst works at room temperature, in neutral pH water, and it's easy to set up, Nocera said. "That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
    Fuel cells seem to be the best bet so far. I'm not a big fan of driving around with a tank of compressed hydrogen. So few people seem to understand the dangers inherent in highly compressed gas.
    People were afraid of running electricity in there homes for fear of fire.
    Even though they would run natural gas for lights etc.

    As people changed from gas powered lanterns to electic powered one household fires were reduced.

    People were also afraid that cars that run on gas would explode.

    Personally I like both alternatives Hydrogen and Electricity.


    My point of the thread was simply to show that Hydrogen powered cars are nothing new.

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    Kind of also implies that they've been working on the technology for a long time and still haven't come up with a cost-effective, durable arrangement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frets
    People were afraid of running electricity in there homes for fear of fire.
    Even though they would run natural gas for lights etc.

    As people changed from gas powered lanterns to electic powered one household fires were reduced.

    People were also afraid that cars that run on gas would explode.

    Personally I like both alternatives Hydrogen and Electricity.


    My point of the thread was simply to show that Hydrogen powered cars are nothing new.
    There is a difference between irrational fear and fear based on a knowledge of physics and engineering.

    Have you ever driven through a tunnel? Do you notice that quite often vehicles carrying compressed gas of any form are required to stop for a safety check? why do you think that is? You have worked in the restaurant business correct? so you have probably handled tanks of co2. How light were those? If filled with hydrogen how far do you think you would get?
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    Hydrogen cars are old.

    Naturmobil is what we need!

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    Kind of also implies that they've been working on the technology for a long time and still haven't come up with a cost-effective, durable arrangement.
    cost-effective - thats the key !!!
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    Rockefeller didn't amass his fortune by allowing start ups a chance to blossom.

    Heck around these parts the only places that carry ethanol are independent gas stations attached to Miejer Thrifty Acres.

    It's not production that is slowing the adaption of hyrdogen for cars it's distribution.

    TGLC isn't true you drive a pinto?

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    Honda already has a hydrogen car in production selling in the US. But, it doesn't actually burn the hydrogen. It's an electric car. The process of running the hydrogen through some plate that separates it and converts it to electricity used in the cars motor. I'm not sure how it all works all I know is it's pretty amazing. There's obviously something wrong with hydrogen for now or else everyone would be using/making it right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frets
    TGLC isn't true you drive a pinto?
    I thought it was a Hummer...

    Any type of fuel is dangerous to carry, because the fuel contains energy (duh). Oh, unless you have a water powered car, that is, which is perfectly safe...

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    Flashlackey, nie Indivision, was the one that had the Hummer photo. TGLC drove a smaller car... initially I thought it was a 300zx with Nismo Turbos... but it's something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mneil
    Honda already has a hydrogen car in production selling in the US.
    If you're talking about the FCX, it's in VERY limited supply and only available as a lease at $600 per month.
    http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
    As far as the other side of it...it's not an internal combustion engine (a la gasoline)...it is an electric engine which is powered by the hydrogen chemical reaction - and yes...'tis pretty cool.
    http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-cla...fcx-works.aspx
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