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johnie
09-22-2000, 10:39 PM
Okay, I've tried a bunch of programs and here are the results as far as being used with KM.

Adobe

Illustrator- Auto Trace is useless- better to use Illustrator and Photoshop together. Supports EPS with PDF as the default file type. Current version allows you to export as SVG or SWF- costs $299

Photoshop- not much to say here other than it's Photoshop. For the most part it is an industry staple. Costs-

StreamLine- didn't test- Adobe suggests that you use this product to vectorize bitmaps though. This may be why the auto trace blows in illustrator.

Corel

Again auto trace blew the big one. Used their runaware applet- performance degradation in this method? Again the current version allows you to export as SWF. Costs $599

JASC

Paint Shop Pro- No support for vector format. Beta is free.

Trajectory Pro- Still in beta. Is suppose to produce SVG but the animation timeline doesn't seem to work. No auto trace. Cost- beta is free but I found it about as useful as MS Paint.

Free Software Foundation

Gimp- No vector support whatsoever. Port for windows is available but is not overly stable. Performs just about like Photoshop. Cost- Free.

GYVE- Still in beta- must compile the program yourself. Eventually is supposed to let you import them from the Gimp. Cost- Free

SUN

Star Office

The Star Draw and Star Image components work fairly seamlessly and it will export to vector WMF if the image has been vectorized. The vectorization only supports 65 colors and with all auto traces it still isn't perfect. By far the easiest to use though.

Will convert images to just about any format.

Star Image is pretty much a joke and is about as useful as MS Paint.

Star Draw isn't a great drawing program compared to other programs.

The entire Star Office suite is mediocre but comparable to Microsoft's suits. The program by the way is interoperable with Microsoft's office suits. I recommend looking at it at least if you can't afford the MS programs. Linux and MS versions are interoperable with each other so if you are running both on your machine then it is worth it to download just so that you can get to your files in either OS.

The program greatly lacks documentation and is about as stable as Microsoft Office- AKA it crashes frequently.

The whole package is free by download or $50 by CD. The Cd comes with some documentation while the downloaded version only comes with an incomplete help file.

IfranView

This program will allow you to open the files but will not allow you to vectorize them. Supports SWF format with plug in- external viewer? Freeware

Companion Software

Metafile companion
Creates WMF and EMF files. Simple tools. No auto trace. Cost-$30

I have also tried other software but forgot what they were called.

-sorry about that.

A side note is that Hi-Jack Pro will also vectorize bitmaps. The problem- and the reason that I didnít test it is because it is very cost prohibitive.

Another side note is that images could be done in the Retas demo-and then put through a vectorization program-

See this thread

http://www.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=25116

But I didnít tell you to do this.

[Edited by johnie on 09-22-2000 at 10:45 PM]

johnie
09-22-2000, 10:58 PM
For converting WAV files I have been using MS Sound Recorder.

johnie
09-22-2000, 11:01 PM
Festival and the CSLU kit for generating speech.

I have also been using a simple free Midi composer with MIDInight Express to convert them to WAV Files for music.

All of the above software is free.

Festival only works in Linux though and the CLSU makes use of CYGWIN to work in Windows.

TPhilipDolce
09-22-2000, 11:24 PM
Johnnie,...very informative stuff. I knew most of it but not all of it! Thanks! What I really need is a good .bmp to vector converter. Trace program if you will. I tried a freebie from softseek but it was,...well....it stunk! I tried Corel's trace engine aptly named CorelTrace and it was..........well.......it stunk! I want to try Streamline because I hear great things about it,...but who knows. There has GOT to be a good one out there somewhere. I wonder if Macromedia Freehand has a trace program companion and how well it performs. I'm a purist who has to cartoon on paper,....but man oh man,..I may have to draw on my awkward Wacom tablet with these new programs out here. Now obviously,....the "PROFESSIONAL" animation programs such as Animation Stand by Linker Systems $500.00 (now exports to .swf!!) and CTP by Crater Software $1000.00 and Personal Archer by Yogurt Tech $1000.00 and AXA $1500.00 and Toon Boom at $10,000.000 as well as Animo by Cambridge at $10,000.000+ all have beautiful trace features,..but they HAVE to!!! They are for TV series production animation and the real deal when it comes to traditional and digital animation features!!! Kool Moves,....therefore can be a steal if it can somehow get a few more professional features!! I can only see it's competition being Moho at $100.00 and Linker's Animation Stand $500.00 and the forthcoming program (which I will have to buy) DigiCel Flipbook at $300.00!!! It will have pencil testing,.scanning input,..all of the pro animation feature one needs with the added bonus of .swf output!! Kool Moves could really be killer and just might be the giant killer down the road.

johnie
09-22-2000, 11:46 PM
Star Draw- I've had the most luck with that program- the trick is using solid lines and few colors.

PDF for SVG looks promising though. Perhaps someone can develope a BMP to WMF, EMF, and EPS converter.

CoolMoves
09-22-2000, 11:54 PM
johnie do you have a link for CSLU ?

BradBradleySL
09-23-2000, 11:20 AM
Johnie-
Do you know when StarOffice and its components will be available to be downloaded seperately, I have downloaded the whole package but all I really want is StarDraw. Yeah and about Streamline, its great!! I have it, but I don't know how useful it will be right now, it can only save the vectorized images as, .ai, .eps, .dxf, and .emf, all though I have Sreamline 4.0 I don't know if there is a newer one out yet, really haven't had time to check, but it works great, a newer addition may have more export options, but anyway, give it a try works great bunch of options you can adjust to make image as detailed as you want.

Brad

BradBradleySL
09-23-2000, 11:23 AM
Hey Todd-
Yeah right on!!! I am going to get Flipbook as well. Looks like a great package, thinking of incorporating KoolMoves and it together, use KoolMoves for simple text and image animation(for now, I know it will get better) and as the web authoring part, and Flipbook as detailed animation, think they will work well together, at least as soon as KoolMoves gets .swf import, hopefully soon:) Bob?

Brad

johnie
09-23-2000, 03:18 PM
Friday 13'th is the day that Star Office gets GPLED. Right now you can choose to install certain componets to Star Office (meaning you don't have to install the whole thing).

the link is

http://www.openoffice.org

Festival is available at:

http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/

CSLU Tool Kit is here:

http://cslu.cse.ogi.edu/

or more precise here:

http://cslu.cse.ogi.edu/tools.htm

Both Star Office and Metafile Companion will convert EMF TO WMF.

johnie
09-24-2000, 01:35 AM
Bob mentioned a third party auto trace utility. I wonder what he had in mind?

johnie
09-27-2000, 09:11 PM
The forum says that I can't post new- But I sure can post to this.

I just added some cool new effects and shared it on my I drive

Check them out here:

https://www.idrive.com/snider-john

The file is a self-extracting zip.

johnie
09-27-2000, 09:18 PM
There are 5 effects

1. Iris In
2. Iris Out
3. Fade In
4. Fade Out
5. Mask

The Fade in and Fade out effects are designed to work with a white background. Feel free to change the color to any color you want. Just remember to watch the transparancy- The 255 tranparant shape must be 255 for the effects to work.

type text in the insert text for all of the effects but number 5.

Number five is the only real text effect there is.

The Iris effects background can be set to any color you want.

Enjoy.

johnie
09-27-2000, 09:23 PM
I just checked all of the forums-post new- are disabled.

johnie
09-27-2000, 10:18 PM
One more thing,

The masking effect only works if the text color is set to the same color as the background and niether of them can be white.

BradBradleySL
09-27-2000, 11:27 PM
I once got an idea to attempt to establish a webring for KoolMoves, but no one other then Bob responded, so I have changed my objectives, with the ability to create effects alone it makes another idea possible........
Would anyone like to collaborate and start a sort of KoolMoves.....KoolKit.....where we can have a collection of effects and such(if its ok with Bob of course) I don't have time to do it by myself but with two or three other people I believe we can keep it up, we can post any tutorials we create(Johnie I know you have a few) and we can have a link if Bob lets us from the Koolmoves homepage. Anyone like to try........

Brad

BradBradleySL
09-27-2000, 11:43 PM
I have established an account at FortuneCity.com if anyone has a better suggestion for a location for the KoolKit then suggest a way, and once again please respond if you wish to help and Bob tell me if you approve! If no one responds then it will not happen!!!!

Brad

johnie
09-28-2000, 12:16 AM
I'm in.

BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 12:19 AM
Cool....my email address is rebmahc2@yahoo.com if you wish to send me anything or talk about something and can't get a hold of me here, etc. etc.

Brad

johnie
09-28-2000, 12:22 AM
I'll send you some tonight and some tomorrow.

BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 12:35 AM
Site ideas, what we want, layout, logo(Bob, are the colors for KoolMoves purple and that yellowish-tan color thats on the website), etc. etc. and of course whatever you want:)

Brad

johnie
09-28-2000, 12:57 AM
Brad,

Set up an I-drive and we can use the drop box to transfer files.

I have a lot of large files and I don't want to kill your E-mail.


PS.

I did a character animation and simulated boning. The animation isn't great but its there.

Click here:

http://www.geocities.com/jsnider.geo/animatedrobot.html

johnie
09-28-2000, 01:32 AM
I sent about twelve items. I'm not totally sure about the quality of them though. You will just have to go through them and use what you can.

I got tired of attching things so I stopped at twelve. Hope I didn't kill your E-mail Server.

BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 07:39 AM
Looks like I only got a few of them will check when I get time!

Brad

BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 07:45 AM
Johnie-

I didn't get any of the attachments:( if they take awhile yo upload then send them in twos less stress on my server too:)

Brad

Bob Hartzell
09-28-2000, 08:33 AM
]I have established an account at FortuneCity.com if anyone has a better suggestion for a location for the KoolKit then suggest a way, and once again please respond if you wish to help and Bob tell me if you approve! If no one responds then it will not happen!!!!
-> I totally approve. One of my partners had such an idea. Let me pick his brain on this.

johnie
09-28-2000, 10:03 AM
Brad, I'll try again tonight.

johnie
09-28-2000, 10:03 AM
If all else fails I place them in My I-drive and set them to share.

BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 10:23 AM
Yeah and don't worry about download time I have a cable modem, so all should be good:) Looks about like what I was thinking of with boning, what did you do? My idea, might as well tell you, if it doesn't work then oh well, looks like you tried what I had in mind, basically create an underwire structure of the object with lines, place object shapes
(as symbols) over lines, make lines transparent, then when grouping tool comes, group the corresponding lines and symbols, had some success but I need the grouping tool before anything can be created worthy of viewing:)Yeah not sure how the grouping tool will work, but if we can group an object to a point then it will work perfectly, if not then we will have to make do, if it does work that way, the because the way a line work you can move one point and the other end stays static, then it would be a smooth movement, hope you get my explanation, will be on-line again off and on today, and for awhile tonight

Brad

Bob Hartzell
09-28-2000, 10:50 AM
I hope to have the grouping capability in about a week. The coding is essentially done. I have to test it. I will also address some other issues at the same time:
- Double-click on fun file brings up application (done)
- Save movie size and frame rate to registry (done)
- Save text effects directory to registry
- Use fun file name as default for swf file name
- A bug pointed out by CoolMoves associated with text effects screen
- Insert movie screen like text effects screen
- Save shape or frame copy buffer to file
- A bitmap problem pointed out by AndrewC
- A gradient problem pointed out by AndrewC
- A transparency slider
- Fix problem where selection of shape moves shape (done)

johnie
09-28-2000, 11:14 AM
Yes,

The new version looks great. When it's out I'll be happy.

johnie
09-28-2000, 11:17 AM
Brad,


I did nothing that complicated. All I did was select shape, select points, and the selected the groups of points that I wanted. I then streched them and moved them to where I wanted them.

To make the head move I highlighted the points in the head and then used the tranform tools.

mbain
09-28-2000, 03:37 PM
Hello,

Sorry I didn't post a "new" post, but as you all can attest, I couldn't...so I didn't.

Has anybody had the following problem with 1.55?

I export the project to .swf and .html, and when I play the .html file in my browser, it changes the background color of my animation and the background color of the browser window.

Thanks,
M

johnie
09-28-2000, 03:56 PM
I never noticed it before becuase I don't usally use the background color feature, but your right. It exports the wrong color.

It looks like a bug.


Yup,

It's a bug.


All of the colors are shifted.

johnie
09-28-2000, 04:01 PM
I select Blue and I get red,

I select Yellow and I get blue,

But if I choose red I get red with a black background,

I choose green I get a red web page with a green movie background?

mbain
09-28-2000, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by johnie
I select Blue and I get red,

I select Yellow and I get blue,

But if I choose red I get red with a black background,

I choose green I get a red web page with a green movie background?



Maybe he shouldn't fix it - this "Undocumented feature" could be loads of fun! You'd always be surprised by your end product!

johnie
09-28-2000, 04:50 PM
It sounds like a simple color shift.


I agree that could be fun.

Perhaps we could create a plug-in that would duplicate this effect for those who like surprises.

AndrewC
09-28-2000, 05:29 PM
KoolKit sounds like a good idea, don't mind helping but don't have the time to get heavily involved.

Perhaps best to start another thread? Not easy to find down here.

AndrewC

johnie
09-28-2000, 05:41 PM
The forum won't let us post new threads.

So we have been using this old thread and posting replies.

Bob Hartzell
09-28-2000, 06:02 PM
I select Blue and I get red,
I select Yellow and I get blue,
But if I choose red I get red with a black background,
I choose green I get a red web page with a green movie background?
-> A bug. I checked black and white and assumed it was OK. I will fix it.

AndrewC
09-28-2000, 06:47 PM
Perhaps we could start posting messages by paper plane, you've got a better chance of them landing in the right place.

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BradBradleySL
09-28-2000, 10:37 PM
Johnie-
Yeah your way of boning works as well, but as you probally noticed it also deformed the shape with the movement of it. My way would have the shape maintained. When group tool becomes available will attempt more, now working on layout of site(KoolKit and personal)

Brad

mbain
09-28-2000, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Bob Hartzell
I select Blue and I get red,
I select Yellow and I get blue,
But if I choose red I get red with a black background,
I choose green I get a red web page with a green movie background?
-> A bug. I checked black and white and assumed it was OK. I will fix it.

I'm glad this bug happened, actually. It's funny, but I was looking at it, and I like the yellow background better.

johnie
09-29-2000, 01:10 AM
Brad


You are right.

I know a way around by posting pointsit but your way is probably better.

I checked my E-mail. Yahoo returned all of the files.

johnie
09-29-2000, 02:24 AM
What I meant to say is by adding points to the lines to lock them.

I placed a bunch of files and shared them on my I-drive. You should be able to get them now.

CoolMoves
10-01-2000, 01:53 PM
Hey johnie, I just uninstalled StarOffice and all I can say is that Sun sure does things differently, they even call it "Deinstall" :D

johnie
10-01-2000, 02:45 PM
They sure do.

johnie
10-01-2000, 03:06 PM
They are one of the few companies that consider WMF a vector format. That is why it will work with KoolMoves.


They also don't offer any support for that program.