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a_slosh
02-22-2006, 04:32 AM
EDIT: The originally posted image has been changed, the original can be found here (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/piano-old.jpg). I also tried a different composition with one set of blinds partially open here (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/light.jpg); I like the effect but the contrast in the other blinds can only be lifted if the right blind is overexposed.

I was busy taking shots of some of my girlfriend's artworks when I finally saw this shot of the piano (I've wanted a photo of it for ages). (original - I decided to leave the canvases on the floor in the background because I thought it seemed a little too studio-ish otherwise.)

http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/a-piano.jpg

39mm (original 40mm)
1/4s (original 1/60s)
f11 (same as original)
ISO 200 (original ISO 3200)
Tripod (original handheld)

(original - Remove noise in Neat Image)

Photoshop:
Channel mixer for desaturation
Levels, shadow/highlight, brightness/contrast

carly1979
02-22-2006, 04:46 AM
oooh i like it- i like the reflection of the blinds in the piano.

i know what you mean about seeming to studio-ish, but i think the canvases could have been better placed.... maybe to the right of the piano? if you hadn't said they were canvases, i wouldn't have known what they are and i think they're a little dristracting where they are currently. that's just my opinion though, so feel free to ignore it!

very nice shot though- the shaddows are cool :)

frex
02-22-2006, 07:04 AM
Light, shadows and greytones are awsome!
...is it hanging down on the right a bit ?

a_slosh
02-22-2006, 08:38 AM
Thanks guys. Carly I might redo the shot and hope that I can recreate the lighting & conversion.

Frex I'm not quite sure what you mean by hanging down? I thought perhaps that the shot was skew but (to my amazement as the composition was based on "feel" rather than anything technical) the top line of the centre blinds runs exactly along the top.

I never noticed it until now but I really like the shadow of the body of the piano curving along the ground.

ctranter
02-22-2006, 09:18 AM
I think I would have prefered more space on the left of the piano rather than on the right. I also think it looks like it could do with rotating anticlockwise a bit.

el-Ignoramus
02-22-2006, 09:58 AM
nice picture, but I'd want a different angle, perhaps with the camera at shoulder height?

great piece of music maker there :D

a_slosh
02-22-2006, 10:04 AM
Ctranter, I considered the space on the other side but it felt "uncomfortable"; sorry I can't describe it more technically than that. I think the rotation may be what Frex was referring to.

frex
02-22-2006, 10:26 AM
Frex I'm not quite sure what you mean by hanging down? I thought perhaps that the shot was skew but (to my amazement as the composition was based on "feel" rather than anything technical) the top line of the centre blinds runs exactly along the top.


Yes skew is the word :)
You are right with the centre blinds...though if you look at the sill it seems to (hang down to the right) skew.
Maybe it is an optical irritation...maybe it is a warped old house :)

WannaBe_80z
02-22-2006, 11:37 AM
Why ISO 3200? SO high?

el-Ignoramus
02-22-2006, 01:04 PM
Why ISO 3200? SO high?


LOL because he can *mumbles somthing nasty about rich people*

actually I liek stretching my iso to the limit with black and white photography, noise gives it more style

EVPohovich
02-22-2006, 01:21 PM
I'd like to see the piano and the keyboard open, but that's just the feeling I get. Like everyone else said the photo isn't level, and maybe a touch of contrast might help also.

Just my 2

a_slosh
02-22-2006, 07:25 PM
I'm going to be there again this afternoon so I'll take it again without the art supplies and make sure it's straight. I had the ISO so high because the light was quite low and I wanted the aperture closed down a little to make sure I got the blinds.

EVP wouldn't increased contrast cause the texture in the piano to be lost? Or should I selectively change just the blinds (I don't really want to have to select things as there is a margin for error)?

a_slosh
02-22-2006, 07:28 PM
I forgot to add that I can't open the piano up because it's kept locked as they have 2 small children who have a habit of ruining things.

Ignoramus, I had originally thought the noise from the high ISO would look good but I prefer it cleaner for this so I'll probably do the reshoot with a tripod.

el-Ignoramus
02-22-2006, 10:15 PM
so no chance of a macro shot of the keyboard, with all the possible noise an ISO can offer :(

what if we lock up the children?? :p

a_slosh
02-23-2006, 12:50 AM
what if we lock up the children?? :p

Ouch!


great piece of music maker there

I've played it before and to be honest I don't like it, it sounds too perfect for my liking; I prefer a bit more character.

el-Ignoramus
02-23-2006, 09:31 AM
Ouch!



I've played it before and to be honest I don't like it, it sounds too perfect for my liking; I prefer a bit more character.


http://www.a-bd.com/images/products/DEC_MEP526S_256.jpg

:p

a_slosh
02-23-2006, 10:47 PM
Refer back to my edited first post to see the changes I made. I took some suggestions from people and came up with shots of 3 compositions. Only one has the blinds slightly open as I like the parallel lines that the contrast of the shadows form when they are closed.

Original (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/piano-old.jpg)
New take on original (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/a-piano.jpg)
Placement of piano on right (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/light.jpg)
Fuller crop on the piano (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/full.jpg) - don't like this one but someone suggested it so I'll show them

carly1979
02-24-2006, 04:07 AM
Placement of piano on right (http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/light.jpg)i like this one. i really like the shaddows casted. and ctranter was right- shifting it to the other side of the frame works better :thumbsup:

frex
02-24-2006, 04:11 AM
i like this one. i really like the shaddows casted. and ctranter was right- shifting it to the other side of the frame works better :thumbsup:
I think the shifted one is the best :)

a_slosh
02-24-2006, 10:08 AM
I would agree with you guys completely if it weren't for one thing - the loss of the contrast in the other blinds because of the extra light on the right. I may try and selectively lift the contrast although I think it might be too tedious selecting the correct areas.

EDIT: Changes have been made, was actually quite easy. The decision has been made, I'm sticking with this one and not looking at this stupid piano again!

http://www.gallery.vt1gym.com/BW/images/light.jpg
40mm
f11
1/6s (tripod)
ISO 200
Too much time in PS getting the contrast right