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Flashkit
01-31-2001, 01:33 AM
http://www.flashkit.com/graphics/flashkit2.jpg

I am sure that you have all experienced the current issues with Flash Kit.
Server errors, speed and download problems, and in some cases lack of access
all together.

In a nutshell Flash Kit has outgrown it's current hardware and software platform
and it is unable to handle the incredible load it is now placed under. To give you
an idea we have over 100k unique visitors a day, serve over 100gig in bandwidth
and show over a million pages a day!

We can no longer just hack and tweak to get maximum performance from the site, now
it is time to strip it down and re-engineer from the ground up. Flash Kit v2.0.

We are putting together proposals now for Flash Kit v2.0, some of the features we
are planning to implement...

1) Site speed - multiple servers on a scalable architecture
2) Better tracking of downloads,views, ratings
3) Member pages, linking members to content
4) Faster myFK, public and private listings of myFK selections (ie see webmaster picks)
5) Bulk download from myFK (like a shopping cart)
6) ExtremeFlash section for the very best fla files

We are also looking for ways to make the site more financially viable to generate
sufficient revenue to support our growing hardware and technical costs!

Any ideas you have for Flash Kit v2.0, and revenue generation ideas, please post to
this thread, help forge the direction of Flash Kit for the future!!!

Thanks for your help, and thanks for sticking by FK in the tough times!

[Edited by Flashkit on 01-31-2001 at 12:35 AM]

gparis
01-31-2001, 02:16 AM
Why not try and compete with Macromedia for lessons? they offer a "lessons online + talk to the teacher" lesson on actionscripting for Flash5. Even though i'm tempted they "give" this for $265! I'm sure you could do better.

I don't know if this means a special education license, but it would be a cool feature in a resource site!
Thanks for considering:)
G.

kptoth
01-31-2001, 02:17 AM
Why don't you make FlashKit v2.0 100% Flash? Use the product that you are featuring.

UltraShock.com will probably be 100% Flash and it'll be tough for FK to stay competitive when UltraShock.com goes live.

tapo
01-31-2001, 02:23 AM
I have posted a thread in feedback about self promotion using t-shirts, mouse pads and things of that nature. I've seen sites genrate a good amount of money and help to offload some of the costly upgrades.

The only case study I could thing of right now is http://www.clanladder.com which is a site that ranks online players in all types of games(and no i dont work for them). they ran into the exact same problem, you have and due to a great following, this 1 promotion paid for the entire upgrade.

God bless ver 2.0

jaslgv
01-31-2001, 02:30 AM
I experience all sorts of problems with flashkit. I am looking forward to the bulk download as well. Maybe this can be something that can be done sooner then later, I think it will save people time. Also the idea about class is good. I think if you offer low cost, high quality stuff people will pay, i would be willing to let go of some cash for better knowledge. Anyone else agree. Joe

karnak
01-31-2001, 02:46 AM
yes I believe http://www.blogger.com had a similar success story..
and kptoth, your observation was brought up about a month ago in coffee lounge..here's the link (http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=75001)
:cool:

ps- FK v.2 : toned down color??? maybe?? :D

Nik128
01-31-2001, 03:02 AM
that UltraShock.com looks awesome!
But still, FK is the biggest FLash resource site on the net, I don't think any other site has over 3 thousand movies.
I really want to see the Flash Anime section, there are many good flash artists in here. Gotta have patience though:)
Faster FK site is soon to come? Great, then I'll enjoy FK even more !

Sincerely,
Nik128

iForgotMyPassword
01-31-2001, 03:11 AM
don't forget the site map!!!!!!!!!!!


or once again people will get lost in a HUGE site!!!!!!1

Glutnix
01-31-2001, 03:12 AM
Sounds pretty good Mark...
So these member pages... Say I had one... Would this link visitors to all the things I've made on FK, like open source movies, tutorials, sounds, and (pushing it!) posts?
Can we customise these pages? ;)

I'd like to show my moral support for FK through all this! All the FK team, you've done a great job thus far, and I can't wait to see what you pull from your sleeves!

I LOVE FLASH KIT!

And i'll end off with "HOUR OF FLASH!" :D
http://www.hourofflash.cjb.net/ for the uninitiated ;)

tobba
01-31-2001, 04:49 AM
In the tutorials, i think you should find another solution
when it comes to all the pages, There are to little text on one page, i get annoyed when i read a couple of lines and then have to load another page.
You should also consider making a printable version of each tutorial.
Other then that i think your page should have Background about the flash programm, im thinking about where it all started, where it is now and where it is going. There should also be a couple of pages about how to get certificts and stuff like that.

GODSPEED V2.0

tobba

yannis
01-31-2001, 04:55 AM
What would have been great, is the ability when downloading the tutorial files (that presently is just the bunch of files USED in the tutorial) is to get a real all-in-1 package for further offline use. So we could get a real tutorial in the zip, with explainations AND the files used for putting it in practice.It's a little hard to really use the tutorial zip's now, since as you are reading a Tutorial, you got the explainations but if you download the zip and want to put it in practice later, for offline hands-on, you have to connect on FK again and try to find the right Tutorial again...lack of time and of easyness.What better than looking for a tutorial,downloading the offline package (explainations+files for practice)and making his own myFK at home ? Another great feature would maybe be a tiny flash program provided for Mac and PC users so they would be able to automatically update their myFK online and on their own harddisk...a replication and synchronizing tool.

peterford
01-31-2001, 05:03 AM
Please God, do not go 100% flash.

That wold kill any speed benefits.

Desertsnowman
01-31-2001, 05:58 AM
How bout changing the Design a bit - FK looks a bit well old - Its design work and layout isint the most exciting.

Please DO NOT Got total flash !!!!

Try to improve the chat area - it sucks ! no offence but it really is an odd format.

:D:D:D Free email :D:D:D Just a Wish !

JirSames22
01-31-2001, 06:28 AM
SUGGESTIONS

1: Leave Flashkit in HTML for at least 5 years. There are definitely not enough people on solid connections to warrant a fully Flashed site (even though it could be incredible, leave it for the future).

2: Initiate some kind of a stronger networked community. Those who attack Flash (online media, jacob neilson, etc) should know that there is a huge number of developers world-wide who consider Flash part of their life now and into the future and they don't appreciate over-focus on the inevitable crud that some people will produce with Flash.

3: Start a service similar to elance.com that is mainly focused on Flash content. You would have to make it seperate from the Flashkit site due to the size of it but you could tightly link them in some way. Elance is a service that allows freelancers and employees to come together in one virtual place for everyting from Web/Flash/Graphic design to Legal and Accounting services. I have heard that Elance will be as big as Amazon before long. They have a member base of over 200,000 for many different career choices. Flashkit has a member base of over 100,000 and you could focus completely on Flash/Multimedia. I say use your members to monopolise on the availability of Flash for businesses across the globe.

4: Float Flashkit.com on the ASX. I'd buy in.

5: This has been touched on above but my 5th and final suggestion is a tighter community. Standards need to be developed so that Flash will continue to rapidly grow on the web - i.e: pop-ups, full screen, file sizes, pre-loaders, $ervice rates, etc, etc, etc.

Anyone agree with any of this ?

Stephen.

Beamerboy
01-31-2001, 07:11 AM
Here are a couple of things to bring in more revenue:

1) Have an executive membership fee to have access to complete tutorials. The fee would be very small, less than $150/year or $9.95/ month.

In this area, executive members would have access to such things as: complete tutorials - construction and deconstruction; high caliber example sites; fla upload support program; access to test flash beta programs; discounts to special flash events and free executive member Flashkit t-shirt.

Complete tutorials would have explanations right from scratch how an effect, menu, Actionscript etc.. was done, why it was done, the benefits and links to other tutorials that might help the member.

There would be complete examples of high quality sites that are downloadable so members could learn how to put a site together properly. The sites would be of a high caliber and would have a complete tutorial of not only how something was done, but also why it was done and what benefits would be achieved that way.

The membership would also include an area where members could upload fla's he/she are having trouble with to get help from other members as well as the Flash Gurus. This feature would have the fla's available for ten days before being deleted from the server. The support program would include 3 - 5 times per year a member could submit their fla for support from the flash gods of Flashkit.

Executive Members could have access to test BETA Flash programs and give their input. Members would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement to protect the companies that take part in such a program, but their input would be invaluable.

Members would also be able to enjoy discounts to Flash events, albeit small, but any money saved is good to put towards the next upgrade purchase of Flash ;-)

Executive members would be privy to their own EM Flashkit t-shirt as well as discount towards other Flashkit merchandise.

2) All Flashkit members would be able to download the daily new movies in one bulk zip.

I have found Flashkit to be an invaluable resource and I look forward to a newer version.




[Edited by Beamerboy on 01-31-2001 at 09:01 AM]

Reo5th
01-31-2001, 07:40 AM
Definatly don't go all flash. My only main problem with the site is bandwith problems, and I've got a cable modem...All yesterday, FK was down...:( And there are always certain dead times when FK is slower than anything...I agree with Beamerboy a lot.

Peter H
01-31-2001, 07:52 AM
Beamerboy has made some v. good suggestions above. It could perhaps be taken even a stage further.

Why not have different tiers of memebrship. At the bottom FREE acess the basic features of FLashkit (perhaps as it is now). This could then rise through 2-3 theirs to the top level which more exclusive content.Lots of people have made some great suggestions as to what this could be.

What about extending the feautres of MyFlashKit. The memebrs with the most highest tiered access could have a toataly customizable site. Much like MyYahoo ot MyExcite. Where they had their own homeapge they entered, rahter than the deffault. It would be very cool to be able to costomize the home page to display only the content I was interested in. For example the could be a MyFlashKitBoards, where I could select boards which would appear in the list. Perhaps the user could customize the appeareance of the site.

At the lower levels of access, there could be preset templates, customized by FlashKit staff. For example a homegpage for developer/coders, or a homepage for designers, one for Newbies ... etc.

Please dont go down the Full FLash route, but what ever you do I know it's going to be the even greater!

FlashKit.v.2 will rule.

P

Shad0w
01-31-2001, 08:26 AM
I like Flash Kit the way it is. Just speed everything up a bit, especially the forums (they define the word slow at the moment). Maybe feature a bit more flash presentation on the site, but I agree with the suggestion not to go 100% Flash, the functionality just isn't there yet.

How about an Annual 'Flashkit Members Produced Site'. Someone lays out the groundrules for the site, and then any member of Flashkit can add to/(alter) it. Everything is opensource. Maybe that's to complicated come to think of it. Anyway, at the end of the year, the site is completed and showcased.

Making money huh? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........already a lot of good suggestions. How about launching a "Flashkit Members Conference"? Just a thought....

Can't wait to see what happens.

Regards,
Shad0w

Shad0w
01-31-2001, 08:30 AM
One thing I don't like the sound of though is different membership status affecting you access to Flashkit. The MOST IMPORTANT part of Flashkit is that anybody can access anything. Everything in the community is shared. Now this is just my opinion, and I expect a lot of people will disagree, but if I had to pay for the privilage of what I already get out of Flashkit now, I don't think I would. Maybe. But probably not......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

indiamike
01-31-2001, 08:55 AM
Well for revenue, I think I was one of the first to mention merchandising a long long time ago and I still believe flashkit should have it's own store. This time around don't get the shirts made up yourself, contract out to another company and have them sell all the shirts, mugs, mouse pads, etc online. You get the commission they take care of all the shipping and handling. Try http://www.cafepress.com/

There should also be a software store. Forget about referral programs and have an actual online store. Find a big enough company who sells most of software that people talk about here and ask them to set up a shopping cart on this sight. Flashkit get's so many visitors that most e-tailers will bend over backwards to have there products listed.

For Speed...Delete old posts after four months. I know you guys want to keep an archive but even text adds up and consumes much needed space on any server. Clear out the old and in with the new. Memory costs money.

Also I would like to see more articles that are not based on the board forums. Almost every feature on the main page goes directly to the boards. What happened to articles and interviews?

Well that's my two cents.
Mike

RazoRmedia
01-31-2001, 09:04 AM
Well, here goes...
Clearer ruling on posting - this site is for flashkit developers and should not be used as a playground for flaming, posting crap etc. The lounge has its uses but some people abuse it and just post rubbish turning genuine flashers out of the lounge. I know there is a boardroom now but how much more space and speed would there be if it weren't for these adolescents?

A FAQ for each forum so the same question doesn't appear 16 times every day

No or little flash. Just coz this is a flash developers site doesn't mean it should be flashed. The little there is now is sufficient. download speeds and the like would kill people (remember people are still using 14k modems!)

& for revenue why not include a mailbox - i.e. RazoR@flashkit.com. couple of thousand people sign up for it and flog their email addresses to the companies that are willing to pay for it. i know I would like a flashkit mail address and wouldn't be bothered about flogging it to junk mail distributors if it meaned better, faster and more improved flashkit. Oh well, better move over and let someone else speak

djswerve
01-31-2001, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by RazoRmedia
& for revenue why not include a mailbox - i.e. RazoR@flashkit.com. couple of thousand people sign up for it and flog their email addresses to the companies that are willing to pay for it. i know I would like a flashkit mail address and wouldn't be bothered about flogging it to junk mail distributors if it meaned better, faster and more improved flashkit. Oh well, better move over and let someone else speak

Im not entirely sure i would appreciate my email address being sold to the spammers, i get well pissed off with Hotmail doing it all the time, but maybe you could charge for the address itself, or give a choice.... you could pay for your address and have it guaranteed spam free, or you could have a free address and accept the spam.
Make sure that the spam is not from total junk places, i.e porn and credit cards...

dave

Pyromaster
01-31-2001, 10:17 AM
I would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee.
This site would be well worth it and has help me in many ways.

CozmiX
01-31-2001, 10:24 AM
okay.. for money! easy! you guys need to run a bakesale!!

I mean think! all the people who come here buying baked goods!! wowzers!.. just kidding..

A: don't make it all flash, all the backend scripting would take forever (uploading, downloading, the boards, bandwidth) we would probibly see v2.0 in the year 2005!
B: dont have a multi - member site whre there's a fee..
a lot of people would stop coming and maybe all together..

MY small suggestion may have been when you join u are assigned a brand / logo .. and then you have that little icon beside your name almost like battle of the logos.. then companies who wanted their company in the site action would pay for it. Maybe....

BUt definatly speed things up and I can't wait for v.2 (when do u think it may come out?)

keep up the god work.. i mean with more then 100 thousand members you guys must be doing something right!>.


jastor

sbucci
01-31-2001, 10:27 AM
Flashkit has been a tremedously valuable resource, partly because of quality, and partly because of the shear volume of developers who use it and share their wisdom on the boards.

I think most of us realize we've been getting a good deal here. I know my company would hesitate at a $200+ subscription because the higher-ups don't personally realize the value. I think you could get the majority of the users to willingly pay $10, $20, even $50 for a subscription.

I don't think any of us want to see FlashKit go away because we smothered it to death with our usage.

At the very least, I bet if you put up a "Save FlashKit" with a PayPal button that let us put $5 in your account you would get a lot of donations.

wouter999
01-31-2001, 10:27 AM
I think you guys should make a very complete sitemap. When I first started to visit FlashKit, it costed me weaks to find out where everything was located. I still am not sure I know it perfectly:(:(... The layout shouldn't be remodelled, I think it's great. The explanation about how to make a tutorial should also be better:D:D:D:D

riceraver
01-31-2001, 11:37 AM
This is really hard. I mean, flashkit has always been a great FREE, OPEN SOURCE kind of deal. If it would become a membership base, or even partially membership base, many members might leave and i'm sure that's not what FK wants. I think there has to be a different way of generating some more income.

perhaps a pop-up add or something. yeah they are annoying but at least it could help a bit. Everybody could help out by clicking on the ads too...

jeffbflasher
01-31-2001, 11:40 AM
I read lots of interesting ideas here; following are some thoughts:

1) I'm strongly on the "Don't Flash the site" bandwagon. I'm not an expert yet - and there are companies trying to make Flash sites load as fast as HTML pages - but for a site as big as FK, a full Flash movie would be enormous. If we do get 100gig of data added per day, then the file would continue to grow more monstrous by the day.

2) On the idea of making it a pay site: That too I'd be strongly againt. Salon magazine tried to go pay on the 'net a few years ago; this almost destroyed them.

People don't like to handle things on the Internet that aren't free, whether they are as useful as FK or not. Personally, the fact that it's free has made it an even more invaluable resource for me.

Someone on this thread mentioned the Blogger example; it's a good one. They set up a donation fund to upgrade their equipment. It netted over $15, 000 in a few days - AND the donation of equipment by companies that saw their benefits, and wanted to help. I'd see that happening here too.

3) I like the idea of making downloadable tutes work offline as a good suggestion. I've been on other sites that offer downloadable PDFs of tutes; that works well.

I'd go even further, and suggest that open source movies on site be more usable too. At the moment, you can only learn from them if you already know Flash at 100% - then click on every frame to study the ActionScripting, and hope you can figure out how things work from there.

Pure_Morning
01-31-2001, 11:41 AM
That would be stupid, yes it would help pay for stuff, but if there are over 1million page views a day then get some sponsorship> no annoying popups or whatever but charging? no way! I for one would not pay, flashkit is really good and everything and it's one of the few dites i do visit but i certainly wouldn't pay. that's why there is a community here because people are all the same, if you start having different layers of community it will create an elite and thus destroy the community. Education is for everyone not just those that can afford it!
Speed is the biggest issue here in my opinion, most of the time I am not at work it is entirely unusable and it just gets aggravating.
More focus on showcasing work and bulk downloads is a very good idea. What about masterclasses and chat sessions with the best designers in the world that sort of thing.
The live support thing is a cool idea as well http://www.justflowers.com is one i used recently I had a major problem in that i had to get flowers to my grrl in Miami (I live in the UK) and i managed to mess up the card number for my credit card but I went on their live 1 to 1 chat with an operator and she called me internationally to sort it out and still got the flowers there the same day (it was 4.40pm and they were only open till 5) that would be a very cool feature to have. Maybe limited to people that have proven themselves worthy of helping out (some sort of certification thing) you go and log on and that then makes you available to help and people can request your help. E.g a list of "assistants" that are logged on right now and are willing to help.
ok that's my 2cents worth.
aLN
:)

CNO
01-31-2001, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Nik128
...
I really want to see the Flash Anime section, there are many good flash artists in here. Gotta have patience though:)


I agree entirely and wholeheartedly. :D

What I think would be really neat as well is if the chat room were expanded to allow for online discussions from Flash professionals (scheduled interview/chat sessions),.

I also would be interested in seeing some form of Flashkit classroom - an area set aside where "classes" could be held - where a "professor" could gather a bunch of people who want to learn a specific area of Flash, then through things like bulletin boards, chats, and file download/upload areas, and contact lists, a virtual class could be held for a number of weeks per group.

jmdesign
01-31-2001, 11:48 AM
i have to agree with those that are against the paying to access flashkit, i could afford it but it would be a hassle, me being from the united states, think of the money conversion, plus there are some young 'uns on here that would have to rob their own parents or rob the quickie mart to get access, i agree with the flashkit merchandise, that would be a great idea, same with the ability to buy software directly from you. hmm, improvements, new, hipper color scheme, with the fonts section seperate them into catagories, ie grunge, techno, etc... thats my 2cents worth.

Jeff

DaPurno
01-31-2001, 12:24 PM
I saw someone saying "Why not make FK in FLash"...well I dont think that is possible...
Flash is too slow and can't handle all the features a site like this has to have.

Well I had to say that :)

As for the ideas,

You already did what I wanted by starting FK !!

Greetz

MindFix
01-31-2001, 12:25 PM
LOSE THE NAVIGATION THAT TAKES 8 CLICKS JUST TO GET TO SOMETHING (AND TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AWAY BY REVNEUES GENERATED)

THAT WOULD CUT YOUY LOAD TIME IN HALF.

THE NAVIGATION IS THE WORST OF ANY SITE ON THE INTERNET.

MF

moises
01-31-2001, 12:33 PM
I agree with you Stephen.

I think that a redesign would improve the site.

Why don't you convocate a competition for the layout and design of the FK 2.0?

I think that would be challenging.

GroovePapa
01-31-2001, 12:38 PM
wow, long thread, and I haven't read it all, so some of this may be repeats....

I think it's a really bad idea to go all Flash. ultrashock.com *looks* cool, but I don't know how well that'll all work out. seems like it would be REALLY slow.

I definetly think it's good to get new and more servers.

I also like the idea of having Flashkit teaching conferences or what-not. you could just have some of the guru members give a Flashkit sponsored 2 day conference in their region, or something like that. the teachers will be able to get a good turnout from Flashkit members, so Flashkit can get a good percentage of the $ and also pay the teachers as well.

I also like the idea of bulk-downloading. and also compressing tutorials all into a .zip file. include all the html and images as well as the .fla and .swfs I'm not sure if they should be included with bulk downloads, though....may have to seperate the tutorial downloads from fonts, music, sfx, etc.

two cents from me...

sirhc
01-31-2001, 12:41 PM
One area that could be covered is advice on marketing your site. Although I appreciate that Flashkit is mainly focused on design and backend, there's no point in having a great site if no one can find it.

Maybe create a tutorial section on how to get a decent listing in search engines, the use of keywords etc. Although there are many sites of this nature around, there is a gap in how to get a search engine to recognise a site that's done completely in Flash.

Metrov8
01-31-2001, 12:52 PM
Please do not spend a lot of time re-designing Flashkit. We need to get Flashkit BACK UP TO SPEED -- PERIOD. I just waited almost (3) minutes to bring up the 'next' page and I'm on cable modum. Flashkit is the center of the known universe. It's the only site I've ever visited every single day. It is invaluable to me. I don't know what I'd do without it. But it must function with speed and efficiency.

I support the PayPal DONATION scheme to raise quick money.

Neither would I mind Ad Banners. In fact I always wondered why Flashkit didn't have them with all its visitors.

1 -- Add more servers.

2 -- Fix the broken links and database errors.

Once this is done, then think about re-designing.

M
[Edited by Metrov8 on 02-16-2001 at 08:02 PM]

UpNorth
01-31-2001, 12:55 PM
Don't start the subscriber fee - as I understand it is that Flashkit i snot in dire need of money - but it needs to cover some costs related to hardware upgrades. I think something more in line of a store would be in order. Something like this ("") maybe.
Keep the colors and layout the same - but I like this idea of the CSS color changer, so people can customize the site.
NO FLASH!!! For us dialup users it would ruin it! If you want Flash theres another flash resource somewhere completely Flash. Go there!!!!
Get the new version of vBulletin - as I recall there are Private Messages and lots of new features! Couldn't hurt - especially if you are starting fresh on a new server anyway!
One thing that we may have to do is to delete some of the very old messages - right now there is 389415 posts and 109828 members! The database has got to be at least a gig right now - thats gotta totally bog site performance
Make me a moderator!!! That would really improve the site!!! j/k lol
Make a testing forum where people can go and test out vb code and footers and stuff and people dont yell at them!
More Later...

sgtpritchard
01-31-2001, 02:48 PM
I am positive that charging for flash kit info will be a huge turn away and just help other sites boost traffic. I love Flash kit. It is by far the greatest Flash resource out there. Keep it free man! Look at CD-audio, compter progs, etc. If people can't have it for free - they go else where and/or get it for free. - I say show potential advertisers your hit count and you will have peeps paying mad cash to advertise (not a lot of advertising) on your site. Just my ideas - oh and as far as the all flash site goes - I think that would not be the way to go. Text driven tutorials make things easy to d/l and copy and paste. thanks guys! I look forward to Flash Kit 2.0!

StinkyFatPig
01-31-2001, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by tapo
I have posted a thread in feedback about self promotion using t-shirts, mouse pads and things of that nature.


God bless ver 2.0

i would like a FK mouse pad
i bet those would do well

banglafreak
01-31-2001, 03:02 PM
my suggestions:


a complete, hierarchy related site map so you can get anywhere from one place

a small membership fee, maybe $5 a year. its not too much but with 100,000 members it will help a lot! ($500,000 a year)

dont go all flash!

optimize, but keep the boards the same. i have made 550+ posts and dont want to go back to zero. also, it would waste a whole lot of helpful content

listen to the other posts in this thread most of them i agree with

aa
01-31-2001, 03:45 PM
i also would be willing to pay for access -- but not more than $5 or $6/month -- if it meant a fast forum, less hangs, etc.

the time i sit and wait for things to happen on this site is worth that to me.

we've been enjoying free resources here for quite a while. maybe it is time we all chipped in a few dollars.
[Edited by aa on 01-31-2001 at 02:48 PM]

Knoj
01-31-2001, 04:08 PM
Flash Kit V 2.0,

I don't think that FK2 should be all in flash, that would slow the viewing time. Not everyone has a cable modem, or a DSL line. Some of us out here in the sticks (Nebraska) don't have a company that will provide a fast connection.

The second thing that FK2 should concider, is maybe adding a library section! It would contain FLA's that would be composed of many movie clips, buttons, and graphics (maybe even sounds). The viewers could download these, and place them in their libraries folder of flash, and it would be available for use at any time! These would have to be free for everyone, no one could keep rights on them! I would be more than happy to submit the first couple of them! I have some great ones! (sometimes these are sold as "Flash Packs")

Please concider these 2 ideas!

Thanks,

Dowenger
01-31-2001, 04:12 PM
wow...thest changes would great!....I think that a new look for flashkit would be great! :D another change that I would suggest would be a new look (same design) for the main flashkit logo...maybe a black background?


e-mail? youname@flashkit.com?


cheers,

Graham

NETbreed
01-31-2001, 04:19 PM
Hi All!

I really like FK the way it is but anything you can add to improve it is cool by me.

What I really want to comment on is the revenue issue. IHMO the best ways to generate revenue for FK would be:

[list=A]
FK Store
This has been mentioned above but I think that it would be a goos source of on-going revenue. With the number of new visitors FK is attracting every week [and the number it will attract when it is even better] there's plenty of custom there.

T-Shirts [several styles/designs], Mouse Mats, Caps etc..etc..

As has been said before, use a third party company for this with your little bit of dosh stacked on top. This means that you'll get revenue without actually having to do anything!

Donation
This, again, has been mentioned above but it would solve the short-term need for cash. With the number of professionals using this service I believe you'd get quite a few donations to keep this superb resource fast and free. You could even run pledge-a-thon's then you need more hardware etc.. :D

Book Shop
Have a section of the site dedicated to the sale of books. This could be new books [including reviews etc] that would cover mainly Flash books but also other web development related subjects. Given that you guys probably don't have too much space I'd suggest going down the affiliate scheme with some of the larger online book e-tailers. Every little helps!
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Looking back at my list maybe the last one isn't too clever but I thought I'd leave it there anyhooo.

Well, that's all from me. Roll on FKv2!

Regards,

Steve

Beer Baron
01-31-2001, 04:38 PM
I like the design as it is, if it were all Flash than it would suck. I think that a good way to pay for stuff is to sell things online, like programs such as Flash, Director and Photoshop, i have seen some people in the message boards who are always looking for places to find good prices on these programs, also you could sell book and Flashkit stuff like T-Shirts and mouse pads, personally i would reallly like to have an FK mouse pad :). I take it that most of the revenue here is ad based right now, well you could get some better ads put up, most people arn't interested in bot2001 conferences so they wouldn't bother to click. Whatever you guys do i hope that it will be sweet.


Hey NetBreed nice bubbles on your footer there, looks better than mine :) maybe you could e-mail and tell me how you got them to be so smooth.
[Edited by Beer Baron on 01-31-2001 at 03:41 PM]

kosmix
01-31-2001, 04:45 PM
Don't forget better search engine on the web site.

Everytime I need to find something on the web site, takes me long time to find it. It has to be much easier.

Thank you for your business.
kosmix

Jesus1st
01-31-2001, 05:42 PM
It's good to hear that all the problems I'vwe benn having is not on my end. I'm new hear and was wondering if it was my comp. I guess not :)

PLEASE........ Add a Dreamweaver and Firworks area to Flashkit and it would be the icing on the cake. It would add a level of GREATNESS to an already Great site. Even if it's a smaller area, it would be a REAl help to all the people using all three products, as well as draw that many more people to your site.

I hope you don't go the way of a Pay Site, but if you do PLEASE add Dreamweave and Firworks. If you do, I think most people that use Flash, Dreamweaver and Fireworks would pay for the service you are bring to us.

Up till then, Thanks for a truly GREAT site, the best! I look forward to FlashKit 2.

Brian

Savatar
01-31-2001, 06:14 PM
I say no membership fee whatsoever because a good amount of people here don't even have credit cards. Besides, "free" is one of the most important words ever when it comes to the high prices within information technology overall.

Donations would be a great idea since people here at Flashkit seem to be very generous with time and presumably, small amounts of cash as well.

If you could set up a way that people's clicks on ads could be tallied and then those with the most unique clicks could get a t-shirt at the end of the month, then your sponsors would never be want of advertisement (did ANYONE understand that statement?)

Btw, I am all for deleting posts older than 6 months that haven't been reposted to within 1 month.

Also, strictly regulate those footer sizes!:D

Ekostudios
02-01-2001, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by gparis
Why not try and compete with Macromedia for lessons? they offer a "lessons online + talk to the teacher" lesson on actionscripting for Flash5. Even though i'm tempted they "give" this for $265! I'm sure you could do better.

I don't know if this means a special education license, but it would be a cool feature in a resource site!
Thanks for considering:)
G.

OR!...

Have a program where people can ask advanced flash questions (what they can't get outof the boards) And they pay the other users for answers, and FK gets a %of the payment!

You can also self t-shirts ;)

iCEBERG2000
02-01-2001, 09:59 PM
- I think charging a fee would turn away a lot of users
- the redesign is one thing but bringin the speed and the worklfow back to the servers would be my main concern
- a store would defenitely enrich Flashkit
- yourmail@flashkit.com ? Well I think we all have enough email addresses already - that would only put more work on the servers. No need for email addys @ flashkit
- Maybe have some country representative. That is for peope who are not too confident about posting on the boards as their english language is not too good. You could list those representatives on one page with contact info, for example one for china and spain and germany, and then for russia etc... some representative you can ask for help in their native language.
I don't know if that's a cool idea but I would be there for helping others out who are not too good with english. That'll also be something custom about flashkit, something community wise.

- I like Flashkit as is, if only the speed would be back to normal and the reliability of the boards comes back.

- some navigation things could be solved a little more efficient or easier, but when a new member comes to FK that's the way to explore FK also

see ya
iCEBERG

unresizable
02-01-2001, 10:01 PM
the design should be sleek, not like k10k, with its already boring squares. squares are fine if you use them technologically, not just plop 'em down. a square button, an outline, looks very stylish. flash should be laid off. the pages should be so redeisgned that instead of today's BORINGEST look on earth on the earth's most exciting subject it would be as sleek as:
http://reeltime.azstarnet.com/
http://www.designiskinky.net/index_main.html
http://www.plinko.com/
http://www.strut.co.uk/indexopen.html
http://www.ion057.com/intrada/index_ie_pc.htm
http://www.cyphen.com/
we need a straight-face look, something ambiently energetic, we need somethink fUnKy, we need energi, we need all that kool misspelling to add to our imaj. we need image that is part of design, not part of flash. we need to be abstract, like....
we need an ambient light, we need something to represent our support, like http://www.glassdog.com/
we need something extracrispymaladorkiechicaboomboomfattiebambamsupe rtightoverloaded!! we can't go around looking like a second Were Here...(i removed the apostrophe for obvious reasons) and even their image looks better. fk v.2.0 has to be strong. we need new colors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there's no need for that way too bright orange and all-too-used blue! we need supadupa fly colors: http://www.suffocate.org/platform/?art=resistance
we need a special message, an interest: http://capture.suffocate.org/03/main.shtml

come on!!
BRING IT ON!

Theril
02-01-2001, 10:11 PM
I don't think that flashkit needs too much modifying. Only annoying things here are speed (or lack of it) and some navigation problems.

Great new resource would be tutorials or articles about design, cause atleast for me it's the hardest part in flash to find those ideas and then visualise them to presentation.

Maybe some users has some design education under their belts, but I bet there's lots of flashlovers like me with no significant art or design education.

laughing
02-01-2001, 10:21 PM
Flashkit has been the single most valuble reasorce I have used in my interenet development!
I too like many have experienced some problems but on the whole it aint been too bad. I use worse less reliable reasources! I am however extremely pleased that you plan to refurbish the site and agree with the above users that you should utilise the technological reasorce Flash offers more, after all if we didn't want to see that sort of stuff we wouldn't be here would we! We are at the end of the day the people utilising this gear! We are probably more exposed to it than those who work at The nameless developers! and this site offers a unmistakable inspirtation to us all! As for paying for my subscription I pay for little on the Net and simply wouldn't! What do Macromedia think of this site? Couldn't revenue be created by you advertising each other! They also make other products that intergrate with flash very well and we would all benifit slightly by learning a little about some of those!

Keep it up and keep it free!

Martin

mbritton
02-01-2001, 11:02 PM
I agree with everyone suggesting a membership fee or subscription. This would be a good way to ensure site content is of the highest quality. Those users able and willing to pay will be the most devoted fans / developers / contributors. For every quality tutorial, offer 1 free month's membership. Include a new source section for coldfusion users. Man, the sky is the limit.

Dan Sarver
02-02-2001, 02:52 AM
I may have missed the point of this thread... Or maybe not. I have read a lot of the responses that talk about turning this site into total FLASH and Merchandising Flash Kit... I have also read some complaints and improvement replies. All very good. But, isn't all of that missing the point?

I am new to Flash Kit, new as of a little over a week ago. I love what you have going here. The amount of information, good information I must add, is impressive! I am thankful for finding this resource. But... As a new user, I think I am most frustrated by MyFK, and anything that seems to be going through CGI. You have a delivery problem... Big time. And with all do respect to all the sugestions on how to improve this site and it's content, the delivery problem is the core issue.

I am a Cold Fusion developer. My company specializes in developing online applications to manage and deliver data. As a suggestion, I would look into using CF, or ASP, as the core delivery and management of all this information. Especially in mantaining the MyFK section and data. The response speeds of querying the information would be a lot faster than CGI. I am not knocking CGI. It has it's place. I just have noticed that where it is used on this site, is where I see the slow downs in delivery.

Don't make the site total Flash, that would be over kill. One of the points Flash Kit seems to make, it the marrage of Flash and HTML. Making this site totally Flash would be a mistake. You have a good recipe going. Don't mess with it. Just look into an improved oven.



[Edited by Dan Sarver on 02-02-2001 at 01:55 AM]

therealsyko
02-02-2001, 04:22 AM
What happened to my reply on this thread? Why is it not here anymore? I posted, in my opinion, a very informative and useful reply that is full of ideas for both website ideas and ideas to make some money with flashkit to be able to afford this kind of upgrade. I hope that no one removed it.

DJ_SFinKz
02-02-2001, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by kptoth
Why don't you make FlashKit v2.0 100% Flash? Use the product that you are featuring.

UltraShock.com will probably be 100% Flash and it'll be tough for FK to stay competitive when UltraShock.com goes live.



Do you know how incredibly big FK is?
It would take hours to load lol.

in_the_office
02-02-2001, 08:00 AM
hi FK, firstly, great site. I have been an avid user since April 2000, but this is my first post with this logon since I'm at work, not at home.

Anyway, improvements?

1. A previous user mentioned an FAQ for each forum. This is a great idea. Some kind of knowledge bank, where queries were sorted and easy to access/search. The search option at the moment is okay, but could be a lot better.

2. Movies having a download ranking would make things more representative. Votes are okay, most people don't bother to vote, and it's highly subjective, not to mention people can vote for themselves all day long if they want. A download ranking would be great, and v.useful.

3. Don't go 100% flash, that'd send a lot of us away. Though knowing you smart FK chaps, you wouldn't do that anyway :)

4. A previous user mentioned increasing the length of tutorial pages. Good idea, it's a grad to have to look through so many pages, same for the movies pages, it's a bit user-intensive I think. Just give us long lists!

Keep up the good work though FK, you're wonderful!

Jim

jmdesign
02-02-2001, 11:06 AM
had an idea, if you guys do start selling tshirts and stuff how about a contest to design the shirts and stuff, just an idea.

Jeff

thewiz1972
02-02-2001, 03:02 PM
Ok, store idea = good
Membership fee = bad

I love this site but I won't pay to use it. It's not the only Flash resource on the net (although it is the best), and I won't pay for something I can get elsewhere for free.
I'm sure this didn't need to be said as I'm sure you realize how many people would be chased off by a fee.

Finally, the reason I'm posting is to suggest a feature in which you can search through a select number of forums, instead of the current "one or all" method. To be more clear, give me the option to search through say, Flash 4 Actionscript and General Help or what ever combination of forums I choose.

Thx

Richlk
02-02-2001, 03:46 PM
I love your site, it has been very helpful to me.
Could you make a printable page for each of your tutorials?
It would be easier to print out one page, instead of going to each page and have to print each one of them out.

muzikus
02-02-2001, 05:07 PM
These might be covered I havn't read all posts ...but the most important too me would be.....1
Chatroom......big time ...I hate having too see who's live and then see if they are on icq.....CHATROOM.
and less important but still would rule ...would be the fact that a lot of other users complain about not having enough...flash e.t.c.
If you really want too do the site up...why not have 2 versions of main elements of the site....one with more html and a regard for bandwidth...with proper alt tags and stuff.
and one aimed at broadband users...with more eyecandy.
and then just recognise the user and they're connection.
Also a great feature if you could put it would be stuff like more brodband things like...Video stream/downloadable
master classes with big names.....have either users or someone from the kit come down to a lot of the conventions as well especially the macromedia open days and stuff and have them tape it...so we can download them as well....anything like that...that would take it too the next level.........maby also run a competition like a top 100 ...where users send in entrys and the prize is the chance too show thier portfolio...in a section in order so that they can get work and also to get more users too the site in the way of prospective clients looking for the best.
This should probably only be open too freelancers though,as it could be a bit unfair if the top are all huge firms that everyone knows already.....I'll leave that one open for further debate.....just a few I'll get back with more if I come up with some.

muzikus
02-02-2001, 05:13 PM
It'd take as long as you want...I don't think if you wanted too make a site as large as flashkit 100% in flash that you'd be using one .swf.
You could just have say the homepage as one .swf and then load whatever sections as seperate ones.

dcypher*33
02-02-2001, 10:25 PM
I fully disagree with the guy that said flashkit should go 100% flash. Alhtough I am a total total supporter of flash you have to admit flash has places it should/shouldn't be. If you are going to have a resource site with tons of pages, resources, and sections, I do not think 100% flash is a good choice. Flash is more like a high multimedia tool, good for showing off your skillz and for simple yet high impact sites. A lot of implementation of flash iz recommended, but not the whole site.

I would also like to see new colours, no offence 2 the webmaster and respect 2 hime but I personally don't like the colours 1 bit...not tryin to b negative or ne thing...

PEACE OUT

Nik128
02-02-2001, 11:20 PM
iCEBERG, that's an excellent idea !!!
I believe no other resource site has this option, FK has a great opportunity !

shockwaver
02-03-2001, 12:14 AM
Flashkit could also serve as a sort of a Flash Sourceforge. What I mean Is we could have advanced projects that a group can collaborate on for open source or Flashkit use.

B00MER
02-03-2001, 12:57 AM
After reading over this thread I noticed someone suggested a Flashed site of flashkit, and yet everyone says "no, no, no, it would be to slow?" Could it be that no one else besides myself and a small handful of others think flashkit should be. I mean come one people if we aren't behind this product a 100% its never gonna mature.

Currently I'm at a contract gig with Verizon, were we are using Flash 5.0 to Check your email, send attachments, receive attachments, Reminders, make phone calls, conference calls, Record phone calls and Managable Contacts list. Eventually Instant Messaging & Chat (both push based, A Message Board ( http://www.molotovbliss.com/testarea/!forum2/ note i'm still working on it :D ), and Video conferencing.

The video conferencing is where I draw the line, I know flash 5.0 couldn't handle such, anyone know of a less than 20kb video codec? :D Maybe 6.0? Our "fix" to this is using DHTML Windows that are draggable over the flash that uses netMeeting.

Anyhow, my point is I think Ultrashock is going to be a truley great site, Take a look at http://www.dream-nation.com to see what flash IS capable of before you start to tear down our beloved machine :D

As for the "slow loading" comments, If the templates and data are structed well it would be just as, if not faster through a flash 5.0 interface.

I know flashkit has a copy of Swish Generator Installed :) Why not utilize it more guys besides on the flashtyper.

*snicker*

- Disgruntled,
[Edited by B00MER on 02-03-2001 at 12:00 AM]

Olorin
02-03-2001, 05:41 AM
This is a content based site. We come here to get help and to learn. And most people want to get the info as quickly as they can. Therefore, flash is not an option here. Plain html with no fancy stuff will always be faster than flash.
We also want to keep the bandwidth usage down, because bandwidth costs money. So, it's best to keep the pages as small as possible in file size.
Flash is a great program, but a lot of times, it's simply better not to use it.

About the money making business, I posted some ideas before, but some reply's seem to have vanished.

How about making a second games section where users can submit their games that flashkit is allowed to sell to other sites. Flashkit can make some money for that, and the creator of the game put his/her name in the game, it'll be some free exposure.

Olorin

NickDeal
02-03-2001, 10:49 AM
Well I suppose that a flash site from faslh kit would be great and that this flashsite als open source is , so we could learn the best actionscripting by using your site as an example, further more I'd like to see a peace of software which directly connects you to flashkit v2.0 and maybe if it is possible a share program, like napster only then with the fla's and swf's and the rest you could use.

GOOOOOOOOOOOO FLASHKIT V2.0

bob2007
02-03-2001, 01:55 PM
suggestions:

- no membership fee. think about it, if yahoo.com (over millions of hits a day) charged their users, would their users still be using yahoo? Same thing with flashkit.

- the real need is a new chatroom. that should be v.2 's priority

- a store, where flashkit users can buy flash/other web design products at lower prices than other places. flashkit could probably have the connections to buy in bulk and make some money that way.

- i like the idea of cups and stuff. flashkit should give those away to contest winners. that way their mugs and t-shirts can promote the site to non-users.

- more tutorials and better navigation in the area. i want 20-30 tutorials shown in the listings area, and not have to click next 20 times to see the whole section of tutorials.

speed is a huge problem for me (56k user) but i got no idea how to solve that!

can't wait for v.2

bob2007

pmineault
02-03-2001, 06:24 PM
I'll start out with a few words of wisdom: don't take the redesign lightly. You really have to think about the purpose of this site: providing a fast, reliable, easily manageable ressource for Flash developpers where everyone can share their ideas and wisdom.

A 100% Flash site would kill speed, and be totally unmanageable. A pay-site would also discourage sharing between users. The manual for Apache puts it very well:



"Furthermore, Apache is an organic entity; those who benefit from it by using it often contribute back to it by providing feature enhancements, bug fixes, and support for others in public newsgroups. The amount of effort expended by any particular individual is usually fairly light, but the resulting product is made very strong. This kind of community can only happen with freeware -- when someone pays for software, they usually aren't willing to fix its bugs. One can argue, then, that Apache's strength comes from the fact that it's free, and if it were made "not free" it would suffer tremendously, even if that money were spent on a real development team. "

I think you really have to acknowledge the fact that the users ARE FlashKit, so complicating the submission process would be very hurtful. Just take a look at javascripts.com who totally screwed up their redesign. They made it hard to submit stuff on their site, and now they hardly get any hits.

The donation idea on the other hand is very good, and I think the community is strong enough to get involved.

This is just an idea, but what if you put some of the best movies, tutorials, sound loops and whatnot on a CD-Rom and sell them? Or maybe you take the 20-40 best movies, and give complete explanations on how they were made? You could give back some of the cash to the people who made the things in the first place. I know that usually CD-Roms aren't a good idea because they discourage online use, but this site is updated so often that I don't think it's an issue.

Some other suggestions:

1. Better navigation in the Tutorials and Movies sections. Perhaps something similar to the Webmonkey.com dhtml tree?

2. A clipart section, where people can share buttons, movie clips, vector art etc.

3. A FAQ section in the forums

4. A 'wanted' list in the Movies section

5. Speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck on the RD!

banglafreak
02-03-2001, 06:39 PM
i think we will need to keep an eye on ultrashock... they might rise up to be a powerful competitor

i hope there is at least some flash in the site but not all

LittleBlueBerries
02-03-2001, 11:22 PM
First of all, Thank you so much for everyone's effort (especially the webmasters/FK staff) for making this site possible to be what it is now. And thank you for listening (reading) our opinions too! ;)

[list]
Membership Fee:
This is one of the hardest thing to decide, should we have a poll about: "Will you pay $5 a year for much faster, more features and much efficient FlashKit?"? then we can see what people sayz. But imho... keep it free please.

Donation?
I would certainly donate to help you guys to improve FK! :)

Language Thing:
Yes, I agree with this issue, maybe we should have a new category of "International thing" in the forum and people who are not confident about their english can post messages in their own language or something.. but if this service is too time-consuming, then put this issue in your last priority. :)

100% FLASH?
Definitely NO!
I think the layout for FKsite is not AS important AS the resources and services available inside! This would make FK site even slower - and since we visit FK EVERYDAY, I dont think 100% flash for FK is a good idea.
Well, I know, it would be great to have a really stylish FLashkit layout, it would be even MORE wonderful if you use those time to improve the speed and content!. Besides, the current FK design is not THAT bad too. :)

Good luck for FK v.2, and once again, thanks for everything! :) :) :)

Homesite4u
02-04-2001, 12:36 AM
Where is the paypal button for the donation??? New users will get the $5 back when they verify their account, so it will not cost some of the folks anything, yet it will help you out alot.

When (and if) you get the donation button up, I want to be one of the first to use it.

I also love the idea of a design contest for the T-shirts. Or just make an iron on and we can put your logo anywhere!

The suggestions from the members are great. You have alot of loyalty out there.

Love ya Flashkit.

a_slosh
02-04-2001, 01:42 AM
Whatever you do, do not make everything in Flash. It will just be a pain in the butt for you guys to try and keep everything's size down and for us to have to download everything.

I think in a few years time when broadband becomes the norm, as against the exception, then you can think of doing that.

muzikus
02-04-2001, 03:00 AM
You guys are still going on about 100% flash.....not 100% flash......it's simple....you put a script in which recognises user connection and then directs them too the right page ...even easier is too have new users say what ver they want when they sign up and too also let old users or anyone really too change what ver they want in thier profile.....SORTED....
The only thing I can't help you out with is funding....you are still going too be eating bandwidth...but that has more too do with how you fund the site......I could easily tell you how too make at least $100000-1000000...But that would be f**kin stupid as it would give away the greatest idea I've ever had ...

sorry
Think and ye shall find.......the answer is there.....probably more than one ....lol

muzikus
02-04-2001, 03:02 AM
Oh yeah ......and if you inadvertantly find out what I'm talking about and do it before me .....you realise I'll have too kill you all......lol


Just kiddin........(maby)

hobbi
02-04-2001, 07:18 AM
Ok, I think that FK have the idea that we don't want a full flash site. I much prefer Flashkit to Shockfusion. ALthough ultrashock.com does look mad, I'm sure the talented guys who made FK 1.0 will beable to compete with FK 2.0! I strongly disagree about making a Full Flash and HTML version of Flashkit. It'll be too big a job to make each awesome. Also, if you are looking for better revenue generating ideas... this is going to cost a lot! You don't want to have to extend your resources into a HTML and Flash version. They will end up being half arsed and not too appealing. I say a combination of Flash and HTML would be perfect. I like the simple, clean but easy to access layout. I also like the idea of free tutorials! I wouldn't keep coming back if they all of a sudden cost money. Maybe you could put advertisements with the emails sent out from FlashKit. IE when you email a user an advertisement is placed in that email. Good Luck.

dstewart21
02-04-2001, 10:35 AM
I think the design is befitting. Speed, or lack thereof, being the only issue IMHO.

regards,

dstewart

dstewart21
02-04-2001, 10:37 AM
On behalf of rampage363:


-------------------------------
You could always become an affiliate of a site like amazon.com and start generating revenue on a commision bassis for books, cds, hardware and software you Recomend. Amazon gives you up to 15% commision and they stock most flash books and they also carry most flash software including all the flash upgrades. I would personally would buy a flashkit recomended book from amazon.com or even flashkit recomended software.

-------------------------------

dstewart

slavedheart
02-04-2001, 11:37 AM
ok, it's been said before, and I'm pretty sure no one will see this post way back here, but...

1 - NO FEE FOR FLASHKIT! PLEASE!!!!! I love this site, but being independent makes it hard to float a site subscription.

2 - 2 versions of flashkit... one all in flash for us hi-speed no drag users, and an HTML one for when I (oops, I mean everyone) has to dial in on a laptop or some such.

3 - Go ASX! Let those who don't understand technology pay for our playgrounds.

4 - Get in touch with the Director OnLine Users group, they are all moving to flash anyway...

5 - Finally, HELP US NEWBIEES LEARN! We promise we won't take over your site traffic, and we have some great ideas too!

Just my humple onion...

-=SlavedHeart=-

B00MER
02-05-2001, 09:00 AM
From the way it seems none of you guys on this board have any faith in flash WHAT-SO-EVER! No wonder Flash has such a bad name in the usuability department. People like you guys on here think Flash has its place. Personally I feel Flash will overcome HTML in due time, and I want it that way, hopefully someone out their on this board feels the same. If not Flash will have no place on the web other than lame ass intros. see http://www.skipintro.com

Anything you can do in HTML 99% of the time you can do it in Flash faster, smaller, cleaner, scalable, and backend driven.

"Oh no a Flashed site that actually has REAL content" heaven forbid, lets stick with our silly intros with moving circles and ripped music.

Personally once Ultrashock opens I plan to spread the word.

:mad: *disgruntled even MORE*
[Edited by B00MER on 02-05-2001 at 08:04 AM]

rugbystud
02-05-2001, 12:14 PM
http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?postid=416582#post416582

Mark/Trav etc There's a revolution going on about Freelancing - I feel there could/should be a whole room dedicated to Flash freelancing - just a suggestion...

palee
02-05-2001, 03:06 PM
XML driven flash is the way to go. Flash doesn't necessarily=broadband (I think the above post touches on this). With sexy and Dynamic XML underneath...is there any other way? I'm certain that this is possible, adventageous, and must be the way...

Knoj
02-05-2001, 04:31 PM
Here is another idea that might be helpfull...

Because so many of us do business between many other countries, what about a currency converter!

Also, to raise money to support FK2... ...I would buy all of my Flash books from FK, if you sold them here... I would probably even buy all of my softwear here too!

runrowntown
02-06-2001, 12:01 AM
I didn't read all of the replies but did anyone consider that instead of the Job Vacancy section make a section that people have to pay a small sum to advertise their skills there in hopes of getting hired and in turn remake the section into a whole...world, instead of it just being a thread. You could advertise heavily to potential employers and get more exposure too.

studentofeverything
02-06-2001, 01:37 AM
I love what you guys do. And Im so glad you are redesigning. Things have gotten a little slow.

But as long as you are taking input, I might as well throw in a word.

There is no easy way to view all of your posts. The only way to view all of them is if you find one of them and then go to to the view all posts area. There should be a link right there with the news groups.

Happy site replanning! cheers
christian

squeeg
02-06-2001, 02:13 AM
OK... first of all, the design is already pimp, except I would change some colors and some images just to add some variety you know to keep it from becoming old hat...
And I still remain the first person to suggest a donation system, like more of a fund than a subscription...
Like I saw earlier in the boards...
Put up a button and say something sappy like, "Give back to Flashkit" or "Ask not what your Flashkit can do for you, but what you can do for your Flashkit"...
seriously guys I still maintain... do the math...
100K+ members and growing every day... Some, maybe most, maybe all of the members, like me, owe most all of the knowledge they've learned to Flashkit...
I just finished a video for a client (20 seconds) and sold it for a bargain at $200...
I never could have dreamed that I could be 19 years old and sit on my butt for 5 hours, mess w/ my computer and come out w/ $200...
I, and i'm sure, the rest of the members out there with any integrity or any sense of gratefulness for all Flashkit has done for us, would give at least $1 and much more than that in some cases...
lets look at 100K members... $1 a piece...
uhh...
$100,000... that right there would account for some serious killer servers and content...
I don't know if anyone agrees w/ me... I really don't care, but I will always be grateful to Flashkit for being there 24/7 (well except for the downtimes... lol) for me whenever I needed a mentor or a soundloop and all of that at no cost... Thanks Flashkit.. I'll shut up now

Nik128
02-06-2001, 02:22 AM
squeeg, you've got a point. Other people have mentioned it before as well, giving donations to FK would be a great support from us. 100 000+ is a lot of members, if donations succsseed, then I really wonder how many people will complaining about servers :-)

guntiNDDS
02-06-2001, 08:40 AM
how can u talk about speed while talking about making flashkit v2.0 100%flashed ?

i think this is a bad idea. not only that it'll be slow, but if you connect using a proxy, the swf wont refresh.

-
cyas

CrashedStar
02-06-2001, 04:47 PM
when looking thru your movie/sound/etc files... it would be good to have an option to add to basket or download now on that page, rather then going thru 3windows to download 1 file... just something that takes up some time

aonghus
02-06-2001, 05:37 PM
Increase Revenue By...
Having a voluntary donation of $4 a month or so
and all that other stuff everyone mentioned...merchandise, classes etc.

You should get rid of the menu at the top and make a cool looking DHTML menu split up into submenus, for quick navigation.

aonghus
02-06-2001, 05:39 PM
Increase Revenue By...
Having a voluntary donation of $4 a month or so
and all that other stuff everyone mentioned...merchandise, classes etc.

You should get rid of the menu at the top and make a cool looking DHTML menu split up into submenus, for quick navigation...

rinse
02-06-2001, 09:56 PM
1. i would visit a lot more if the color palette was more subdued...

perhaps create a few extra style sheets and allow the user to choose the style sheet they like... (flashkit color themes)

2. screen the fla's you guys put up a bit better... some of the quality of them is terrible. more does not necessarily mean better.

3. send out newsletters when there is actually new stuff, not just every week, just because it's a weekly newsletter,,, if there isn't anything new worht noting.... maybe it would be better not to spam us for advertising $.

kenitech
02-06-2001, 11:28 PM
i agree with printable tutorials. this would definitely enhance workflow..............

peace.

http://www.keithhopkin.com

pompousjerk
02-07-2001, 12:41 AM
I hate downloading just three sound loops or just ten fonts at a time. It takes too long for those of us with high latency connections. Instead, you should offer a way to view files in large amounts (say, fifty at a time) or to view all in a catagory at once. I'd rather have it take five minutes to load a page than ten to load multiple.

==============================================
<!DOCTYPE pompousjerk PUBLIC
"-//PJERK//DTD PompousJerk 1.0//EN"
"http://www.crosswinds.net/~oriondigital/pjerk.dtd">
==============================================

matt_heff
02-07-2001, 03:14 AM
I would like to see chat forums with scheduled topics for discussion. for example...a forum on possible improvements for future Flaskit versions...it would be nice if these forums were every once in a while headed by a present Flaskit exec or webmaster. this way we could create more of a community feeling by having actual discussions instead of posting all messages which get buried in a thread somewhere...there would of course also be forums for all the same topics that are currently featured in the falshkit commune...just a thought...

matt

webmonkeymon
02-07-2001, 10:23 AM
It would take me four months to get approval for a $20.00 subcription. However I love this site so much I could easily donate $10.00 of my own money to keep it going.

Do not shut this site down, whatever you do.

speedy__snail
02-07-2001, 07:47 PM
You could configure it so that when a member visits any page in Flashkit that a personal little start menu pops up. The window could be completely customizable with different options like links and stuff, with the latest news and features! How does the $$$ part come in? You could have a little ad button in the corner of the popup. I know im not a pro webmaster like yourself and it may be totally impossible, but it was an idea.

-speedy__snail

karnak
02-08-2001, 03:06 AM
Isn't this thread about how to make flashkit better? not about how to make money..?
..eh so pmineault already mentioned this but I would strongly suggest a closed FAQ forum for the boards, surely this could become a prominent forum and extremely helpful for those that want "personalized" help for things and also want a single forum to search through... this could be a great addition to the boards! :)

good luck, hope the new site is coming along smoothly. :D

Nik128
02-08-2001, 03:54 AM
Definitely Karnak
Everything is connected
More money --> Faster FK --> Quicker browsing --> Less people being "absent" --> More work --> more flash content at FK --> more fun ----> and so on...

...and we all should help to make this possible
I love this site so much, besides learning flash, I've learned so much more about other programs

chinkok
02-08-2001, 04:49 AM
I really would like flashkit to make an icon page for the community. I was in the mist of developing a website and having trouble finding good icons. Ended up I have to draw every single one of them my self :(

Thalios
02-08-2001, 12:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tobba
[B]In the tutorials, i think you should find another solution
when it comes to all the pages, There are to little text on one page, i get annoyed when i read a couple of lines and then have to load another page.
You should also consider making a printable version of each tutorial.


I agree, this is the reason I came to this forum. There are so many tutorials that I would love to walk through. Printing them out and walking through the tut is my preferred way vs. switching back and forth from my browser and my development application.

An idea for generating some revenue .. maybe it would be possible to get clients and developers together on your site, and FK take a percentage ??

Thalios ... getting better everyday :)

skookumblue
02-08-2001, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by B00MER
From the way it seems none of you guys on this board have any faith in flash WHAT-SO-EVER! No wonder Flash has such a bad name in the usuability department. People like you guys on here think Flash has its place. Personally I feel Flash will overcome HTML in due time, ...If not Flash will have no place on the web other than lame ass intros. see http://www.skipintro.com

I love this site!


Anything you can do in HTML 99% of the time you can do it in Flash faster, smaller, cleaner, scalable, and backend driven....


I agree with Boomer almost 100% here. I can't beleive so many people supposedly 'in the know' with Flash think that Flash has to be heavy and slow. It's what you make it, garbage in=garbage out. Get a grip folks. The only reason I would consider making a site of this magnitude in HTML is the rapid development environments (dreamweaver/Ultradev etc.) that will speed up the development process. And, I'm sure this argument will subside as my F5/xml/asp libraries get more and more powerful. Also, one member mentioned the proxy/firewall problems, and these are real, as some sys admins won't let Flash content through. Mainly because they associate Flash content with some of the crap that's out there.

I owe a tonne of my Flash learning to this site though, so as to not be too far off topic, I will give my $.02 worth.

As much as people like to Microsoft bash, Windows 2000/ASP/SQL platform would be waayyyy more flexible, scalable and robust as a platform for FK2. (if used properly of course) You've got load balancing, advanced server cacheing, etc.

I feel the donation Idea is the best for revenue generation. Enough of the people here would gladly donate $1 - $5 bills to get you through the rough spots. After the hardware upgrade/makeover is done, you can address wether or not Internet.com is pulling their weight in generating revenue on your site (I assume that's why they're there) and work on the ad/sponsorship deals to keep things free as I'm sure that's what most users want in the long run.

As for site design, all your content is already relevant and fairly well organized, and all improvements you've made so far to the site have been good, so I have faith you'll continue to do it well. Don't be too heavily influenced by the lame asses.

Best of luck, this is probably the site I have visited the most of all on the internet and I don't want it to be a victim of its success.

banglafreak
02-08-2001, 08:55 PM
i think the paypal idea needs to be started right away. the sooner the better, dont wait till 2.0 to generate profit!

Rog
02-09-2001, 10:04 AM
I honestly think that the Flashkit team is intelligent enough to know this already, but how about a reality check for anyone suggesting that every HTML site on the web can be replaced with Flash: There is a LOT of functionality in HTML that Flash simply doesn’t have, nor should it need to because it was designed to compliment HTML in most cases and only replace it when a site contains entirely “rich content”.

Take these forums for instance. Look at all of those radio buttons and checkboxes. Tab through them. Scroll up and down the page using a mouse-wheel. While some of that functionality can be parroted to a certain degree in Flash, it’s only done with a good deal of effort and even then often there are problems (use a Form field in Flash 5 with Netscape 6, type for a bit then hit backspace and watch the browser go back to a previous page!).

Flash finally has somewhat usable tools for server-side control with Flash 5, but that end is still very immature, relying on parsing POST/GET requests to exchange data, which seems absolutely archaic to those of us accustomed to nice server-side languages like PHP combined with SQL servers, etc.

Flash is a great tool when used appropriately, but maintaining a text-filled content site with Flash makes as much sense as trying to create sweeping animations with server-pushed HTML pages. It’s moronic. Use the right tools for the job.

Ever notice that Macromedia doesn't use 100% Flash?

gss
02-09-2001, 03:27 PM
You should have.....

1 - Quicker site
2 - Made in flash 5 for more style
3 - Less clutter, more simplicity

Miitchell
02-09-2001, 03:44 PM
i think that maybe you guys should check to see which members are still active. I think there is probably quite a few that should be wiped out. Maybe not, but for some reason I am thinking there is.

Sinecure
02-09-2001, 04:14 PM
I think that converting to an all flash site wouldn't be good... it's not as effective as a database driven site etc....And I think that you should also keep the site free for all users... you can have an Optional Fee for more features etc but don't make it required.. for example look at screamdesign.com they moved over to a pay site and now no one is willing to pay it and they are out a whole lot of money.. truth is if you make it pay people will find another place to go.

The bandwidth issues are a problem but they can resolved very easily.. I think that fk should difinitly start selling memorabilia or even produce a flashkit.com Flash tutorials CD or something like that... People would buy it (I think) That would in turn produce more money for the site and you could afford more upgrades to the servers etc..But I might add you have to keep the majority of the site free otherwise people are just going to find somewhere else to go..

I am really looking forward to v 2.0 I think you should stick with the same color scheme and just spruce up the page a little...as far as executive sections and the sort I think it should be totally up to the fk staff.. after all it's amazing how much time and effort you put into this site and i think that you do an awesome job.. getting you to create more of these complicated sections etc should be totally up to you guys..

Anyway that's my 2 cents.. hope it helps out...l8ter

Rog
02-10-2001, 12:44 AM
The collective authors/editors of Flashkit could easily take their experience and write a Flashkit book on using Flash. I'm certain that would be very well recieved. For myself and I'm sure others as well, it's easier to go through a tutorial with hard-copy in front of you while you work on the screen rather than hoping back and forth between your own work and a tutorial on a website. Not that I'm dissing the website's usefulness, far from it, just that a hard copy of some of this material would be a very welcome addition.

casthigh
02-10-2001, 04:58 PM
dudes at FLASHKIT:

You´re looking for ways to make the site more financially viable to generate sufficient revenue to support the operation??

Are you kidding? You´re owned by INTERNET.COM: this "Internet Holding" has enough M1 to support 1000 Sites like this one (..and pay my rent in the meantime....!.

If you´re willing to start making an additional profit source I find that Cool (I come everyday here and I´ll have no problem to pay a fee), but making an argument like "we´re growing way to fast and we need money" sounds silly to your loyal members...

btw, This site is the number 1 Flash resource on the Net!!
KUDOS for your awesome work & Vision ,and I´ll be very happy to pay for a membership (..but please without bull****)

CASTHIGH

DJ_SFinKz
02-11-2001, 03:27 AM
Maybe it is time to close this thread - it is getting to loooooooooooooooooong

Lance Bellers
02-11-2001, 05:05 AM
I would love a sister section about intergration with other applications - especailly Dreamweaver

Nik128
02-11-2001, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Rog
The collective authors/editors of Flashkit could easily take their experience and write a Flashkit book on using Flash. I'm certain that would be very well recieved. For myself and I'm sure others as well, it's easier to go through a tutorial with hard-copy in front of you while you work on the screen rather than hoping back and forth between your own work and a tutorial on a website. Not that I'm dissing the website's usefulness, far from it, just that a hard copy of some of this material would be a very welcome addition.
Sounds like fun, that's a good idea, I'm sure the book would be sold good, but I don't think collective authors/editors of Flashkit could easily find their time to write a book together, especially at this point when FK is under heavy load and many other new things are under construction. Keep that in mind.
cheers

ryanjcooper
02-11-2001, 04:51 PM
I think that with your access to professionals, you could develop the world's most respected Flash / Generator / ActionScript certification tests (Like the MCSE or whatever) and charge reasonably for it. Partner with BrainBench for the testing technology (Their Flash test is one of their most popular.), Publish a certification prep book, establish new standards for flash on the web, etc. This would be THE certification to have.

Chiklit
02-12-2001, 08:26 PM
I think a faster loading site I have a cable modem and even on that it's slow. Also I think there should be more then 3 sound FX/loops per page becouse I only get to look at 3 then I have to wait 20 seconds for the next page to load and so on. So I think you should put more on the page like 10 or something.

Sander Kessels
02-13-2001, 06:38 AM
Ultrashock is a good example why you should NOT use flash for a resource-site. I saw it, waited, waited, waited, waited. Patience gone, closed browser, will probably not go back again because I HATE WAITING on webcontent. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Yes, I've got a broadband connection but here's yet another example when flash should NOT be used. There are only a handful flashdesigners out there that know how to make a cool, streaming flash-website under 15 K, which IS possible. That's the way Flash should be used if you create a resource-site, not this way.

Sander

Lollibomb

texcm
02-14-2001, 07:48 AM
FK is great. I hope you can sort out speed problems.
For money making why not try getting authorised from Macromedia. Like in dreamweaver the refernce section is from some guys actual book the Flash help section could be supplied by flash kit. That way FK is branded alongside Flash. If Macromedia don't go for it try Adobe that should sling mud in Macromedias eye. Or publish some books based on all the tutorial material online.
Keep up the good work.

persaltier
02-14-2001, 12:04 PM
i looked at the thread when it was a little over 2 pages long, and then now that it's 5, i haven't had the chance to go through all the posts, but i haven't seen any mention of JSP as a load-bearing possibility. PHP is great, I use it on my own sites that I develop, and I love it. ASP is probably a good technology as well (general sarcasm) (although I try to stay in the open-source world as much as possible), but having dealt with JSP a little bit, I know that the servlets that are an integral part to the JSP technology can help tremendously with the load-bearing that large sites like FK take on. Your DB would be easily integrated, as this is one of Java's main draws...and you could even keep the PHP scripts for certain parts being that you'd probably run the servers on a Linux box w/ Apache installed (and the mod_php is already there). I see that you impliment Apache SSI as well for your includes... either PHP or JSP can take care of this and do so on a more efficient scale as well. Yes, faster equipment and more of it would help as well (what about the connection of the servers to a major backbone? Or having a server in the US as well as in Australia, and depending on where you are coming from, you are automatically redirected to the closer server...or the server with more overhead available at the time). PayPal is a great idea to generate revenue, and I agree with the thought of staying away from a Flash-based website. You guys and gals have done an amazing job with this site....thanks for everything so far and best of luck in the future.

:eek:

LDpro
02-14-2001, 10:30 PM
FlashKit is ungodly slow right now, but think about the reasons at to why: too many people!

Don't get me wrong, too many people is a fine thing, and I'm not at all complaining, but here is what my proposal would be. I haven't read through this thread so please excuse me if it is a repeat. But here we go:

The greatest strength (and weakness) of FlashKit.com is the pure number of people that belong to this site. I know that just over winter break (for those of us north of the equator [which brings to mind a question for those down under, do you call December "winter" or "summer"?] the number of members on this site was only 100k. Now we're at (or by the time you might be reading this, past) 150k members!

One of the major features that FK has unlike any other site is the amount of tutorials that the site has. Here's an idea: let the developers who create those tutorials sell them! In return for letting the tutorial developer sell his/her tutorial, you can charge a nominal commission off of each tutorial. I would make all basic level tutorials free, and then charge for the others.

Doing this, you'll need to realize that you *will* lose some of the traffic that the site has. So what? What is the impact? All that means is that you'll save on bandwidth and weed out some of the less serious people who are not willing to pay a nominal amount of money. The other drawback is that many of the younger kids who use this site and probably don't have credit cards don't have the ability to pay, even if they wanted to.

I think that the most important thing for everybody to realize is that FlashKit is only going to be well funded if the money comes at some level from "the people who use THIS site." Regardless of whether Internet.com gives FK a lot of money or some other group, the bottom line is that those companies are only interested in funding FK if they can get money from us. We have to ultimatley be the ones to put out the cash. Frankly, I think that it is to our out-of-pocket benefit, and FK's 'recievables' benefit if some other corporation (like Internet.com) doesn't act like a middle man that will just skim off of the top.

Finally (sorry that I'm going off here), I think that FK 2.0 HAS to make some posts expire, which will save TONS of space. What I propose is forcing FK members to save a post in their "myFK" section if they want for it to not expire (and be deleted) within 30 days. I would also kill people's ability to post large pictures via the boardrooms. That simply eats up too much bandwidth. If not that, than please at least encourage people to post *SMALL* picts.

Some of this stuff is kinda "bah humbug", but the bottom line is really what counts here. Everybody needs to recognize that. Now I'm going to go and read what everybody else's ideas are. :) Thanks for reading through all of this if you got this far!

LDpro
02-14-2001, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by casthigh
dudes at FLASHKIT:

You´re looking for ways to make the site more financially viable to generate sufficient revenue to support the operation??

Are you kidding? You´re owned by INTERNET.COM: this "Internet Holding" has enough M1 to support 1000 Sites like this one (..and pay my rent in the meantime....!.

If you´re willing to start making an additional profit source I find that Cool (I come everyday here and I´ll have no problem to pay a fee), but making an argument like "we´re growing way to fast and we need money" sounds silly to your loyal members...

btw, This site is the number 1 Flash resource on the Net!!
KUDOS for your awesome work & Vision ,and I´ll be very happy to pay for a membership (..but please without bull****)

CASTHIGH

I have to say that I pretty much agree with this analysis. But, it is also important to look at the flip side: Internet.com isn't going to give a lot of money to just some "really great flash developer's site". They care ultimatley about how they are going to profit by owning this site, and that means that FK may need to show that it can in fact be a profit making entity.

LDpro
02-14-2001, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by karnak
Isn't this thread about how to make flashkit better? not about how to make money..?
..eh so pmineault already mentioned this but I would strongly suggest a closed FAQ forum for the boards, surely this could become a prominent forum and extremely helpful for those that want "personalized" help for things and also want a single forum to search through... this could be a great addition to the boards! :)

good luck, hope the new site is coming along smoothly. :D

Actually, no. One of the main questions FlashKit asks is for our ideas on how to make money. Furthermore, what is the problem if try to add our ideas on how "flash kit can be better" in a financial way?

LDpro
02-14-2001, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by a_slosh
Whatever you do, do not make everything in Flash. It will just be a pain in the butt for you guys to try and keep everything's size down and for us to have to download everything.

I think in a few years time when broadband becomes the norm, as against the exception, then you can think of doing that.

I have to second this. **Even if** those of you who think a flash site of this size would be more efficient, consider how often we use links to cross reference previous posts, etc. Flash eliminates all of those possibilities.

LDpro

LDpro
02-14-2001, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by aa
i also would be willing to pay for access -- but not more than $5 or $6/month -- if it meant a fast forum, less hangs, etc.

the time i sit and wait for things to happen on this site is worth that to me.

we've been enjoying free resources here for quite a while. maybe it is time we all chipped in a few dollars.
[Edited by aa on 01-31-2001 at 02:48 PM]

Try per year. If you charged a nominal, one-time $1 fee for a member to use the site upon joining or their next post, all of your problems would be solved for a very long time. Keep in mind, there is no disad to losing people. They'll come back, I promise!

bantha
02-15-2001, 07:42 AM
this is in reply to Beamerboy's comment on the first page about charging memberships...DONT'T! what the hell is going on here? the best part about this place is that it's free, full of KNOWLEDGE! not merchandise. 150 bucks a year? that's like what my gym memberships costs, and then restrict stuff only to those who pay? isn't that simply a division of the community you've built here. You have no idea how great someone is at flash or how much that can contribute, but your are basing that on how much money they have to spend. I could be a college kid who has been using flash since version 2 and know a boatload of script and want to share all my knowledge, but because all my money goes to books and I can't pay your membership then you exclude me? that is not right and that is agianst everything this place is about.

if you need to make money then why not try selling cd's of all the flash movies? burn them yourself, but then you have the issue of rights and royalties to the people who created the fla's.

please dont...

weeded
02-15-2001, 08:11 AM
$9 dollars and some change a month ? $150 a year ? what are you guyz smoking ? You guyz are doing so well.. leave the $ out of it.

TeamDigital
02-16-2001, 07:41 AM
FLASH KIT UNIVERSITY:
You guys should set up some lesson plans and examinations. Then offer certifications in Flash. I know there is more to it than that but a good brainstorm session would give you plenty of ideas.

For income....
1. Sell a printed version of all the tutorials.
2. Sell a CD version of all the tutorials.
3. Sell a CD version of all the .fla files.
4. Sell a CD of all the music files.


** ADDING a membership fee would put you at a disadvantage to other Flash sites.

** Selling your collection of movies and tutorials would give you an advantage to other Flash sites that do not have the collection you have.

Beamerboy
02-16-2001, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by bantha
this is in reply to Beamerboy's comment on the first page about charging memberships...DONT'T! what the hell is going on here? the best part about this place is that it's free, full of KNOWLEDGE! not merchandise. 150 bucks a year? that's like what my gym memberships costs, and then restrict stuff only to those who pay? isn't that simply a division of the community you've built here. ... that is not right and that is agianst everything this place is about.

if you need to make money then why not try selling cd's of all the flash movies? burn them yourself, but then you have the issue of rights and royalties to the people who created the fla's.

please dont...

First let me say...

First, let me say if there is a way to keep this site completely free and still make money to support the people who put lot of hours into running it, then by all means...

It so easy for you to say don't do this, don't do that...fine, you pay the monthly server costs that this organization pays. At $12.50/month ($150/ year), I was proposing an executive membership to those that want more out of Flashkit - specialized services. You pay $150 for your gym membership. Why? Because it is a service and you want it. In this life, you get what you pay for. How many people go to a movie and spend the $12 Canadian ($8.30 US) we are forced to pay? I do, why, because I like the larger more comfortable seats, the better sound systems, the larger screens etc. Service, service, service. You cannot expect all the extras without paying...Oops, what am I talking about. That is exactly what some, and before I get blasted, I said SOME, people expect these days (I am speaking directly to those few people who use warez copies to support their businesses - if you make money then buy the DAMN software).

I was not proposing to abolish what is already key to Flashkit, a community where flas can be submitted and downloaded freely, nor was I proposing to charge for the flas submitted freely, not that you could. I was proposing an executive membership fee, for the extras that are very heavy on the resources department, for those willing to pay to help support the cost of this site:

- Complete tutorials - construction and deconstruction;
- High caliber example sites (and I mean high caliber);
- Fla upload support program;
- Access to test flash beta programs;
- Discounts to special flash events and free (only to make us feel like we are getting some free) executive, a member Flashkit t-shirt.

All these kinds of frills cost money. Everyone starts *****'in when there are too many banners, so you have to get your money somewhere. Why not from members who are willing to pay for those extra frills. Some of us members use Flashkit to help them learn so they can support their livelihood.

Let me finish this off by saying, if there is a way to have all the frills in life without paying, then where do I sign AND while you are at it, show me where I can get the free Porsche too.


[Edited by Beamerboy on 02-16-2001 at 10:45 AM]

bantha
02-16-2001, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Beamerboy
It so easy for you to say don't do this, don't do that...fine, you pay the monthly server costs that this organization pays. At $12.50/month ($150/ year), I was proposing an executive membership to those that want more out of Flashkit - specialized services.

Let me finish this off by saying, if there is a way to have all the frills in life without paying, then where do I sign AND while you are at it, show me where I can get the free Porsche too.



let me first say that i'm not trying to start a flame here, so please don't get so defensive or what not(and ease up on the sarcasim eh?). Above you said to start an executive membership for those who want more out of flashkit -specialized services...Dont we all want more out of flashkit? Yes, i think so, but what your saying is not for those who WANT for those who can afford more. I have never seen flashkit as a business or a company, it has always been a community. This is about knowledge and the access to that knowledge. When I used to post tutorials and fla's(as bubbamojo), I never once thought "this is just for the "Executive" type people", I alwasy wanted everyone to have access to the things I learned about flash so I could help them learn too. Any time you try to divide a community by means of status or money, trouble always follows...maybe i'm getting a little to deep here. THis WWW was based on the ability for people to share their knowledge freely.

YOur right, it isn't cheap to run this puppy and I agree. For all you know I could either be a college student living off of 20 bucks for the rest of the week, or the executive member of Brice and Lumberg in Boston who could easily afford 6 times the membership fee you suggested, it's not the money, its the prinicple.

I appreciate your views, yet I choose to disagree.

kerfuffly3
02-16-2001, 05:53 PM
Im a green NEWBIE who has fallen in love with Flash and with FlashKit (even with its slowness)---but here is something I was thinking...(oh ya and Im pretty smart so listen up).

You have got some real stud Flash people here so why not create a FLASH GUILD of some sort that people can become Members of, ($15/yr fee), can have thier talent or skills evaluated and receive certified Guild rank, etc. etc. etc.

I do Web Sites and would L O V E to be able to advertise that I belong to the 'Flash Guild" (whatever) on my site and my business cards --saying Im a 'Level 3' apprentice flash blah blah blah... I WOULD PAY A NOMINAL FEE AND
KILL ANYONE WHO TALKED BAD ABOUT MY GUILD!! (well maybe not that far)---but how bout that?!?!?

That would be Both USEFUL to YOU (Annual residual Income) and US the Users who are trying to get business or just plain more info!

OH BUT! Dont make the levels exclusively difficult because you would lose alot of us and I would not be so proud of a title such a 'Level 0 Neophite puke'... sorry for rambling.

TVance! (Jesus Saves!)

3SkinsDeezine
02-16-2001, 08:57 PM
The great things about web sites is that once they are online the advertising potential for the webmaster is endless. No fees mean that you could keep this site free for the members, while the advertising logos pay for your costs.
With such a large member base, most companys would flock to advertise the cans of drink, or latest sportswear on this site, but most importantly its stays FREE for us users.
We all already buy the products anyway, so its an ironic twist that we get them big companies to pay for something that we want instead of us shelving out even more of are hard earned bucks.
I'm sure it wouldnt bother anyone to see a Pepsi advert on the footer.
Example, FlashTyper sponsered by Orange etc etc.

They pay, we learn. Sound Good?

Thanks for listening.
Dave

Neelixx
02-16-2001, 11:48 PM
Awesome site. Mark, you and your team have completely revolutionized what learning and creativity can create via the web!

Suggestions:
1). Do NOT charge for membership! One of the truly great things I love about FlashKit is that it seems to support "Open-Source Programming". People-Helping-People. The authors of the tutorials/fonts/sounds...etc gave up their free time, wisdom, and gifts, to help others, knowing they don't get a dime. (And technically, it's not Flashkits to sell, is it?) This is TRUE help. There is already too much competiveness in this world. One of the biggest reasons why FlashKit is where it is today is because of just that.... FREE Flash development resources. And because of that FLASHKIT has it's name around the world, and you are PRIMARILY responsible for this rush in FLASH development (besides MM of course). Recognition goes a long way in this world. Keep supporting People-Helping-People!!

2). I say you get your products out there! Promote your website and get some money while you are at it. There are thousands of members who would be willing (and proud) to wear your t-shirts, polo shirts, coffee mugs, mouse pads, posters, lamps... and things common to a developer... organizers, pens.etc. Just silk-screen your name on existing products, and WHAMMO! haha

Keep up the AWESOME creativity and power of FLASHKIT!!!

--Neelixx

Ekostudios
02-17-2001, 04:30 AM
First off...

DO NOT CHARGE MONEY!

next, I would like to see more swf support in the message boards. If you could change the parameters around in the [swf] tag, that would be great.
This way, you could add transparency, and define variables!

and keep the site mainly html/php, a flash site will be too complex, and large. It won't work for the both of us.
---
You guys are doing great!

LittleBlueBerries
02-17-2001, 04:48 AM
uhm.. im kinda wondering..

after receiving over 100 replies, suggestions, debates, critiques, opinions etc from the wide-community about Flashkit version 2 - what does flashkit team think about those ideas? any decision ?

because for me, (and I believe for some other people too) i really would like to know the team's progress in building flashkit v.2... or anything that we (the community) can do for flashkit? maybe some kind of votes to help you decide (such as: pay-site or free-site? html or full-flash flashkit?)

.. anyhow, keep up all the excellent work, guys! :)

unrealsk8er
02-18-2001, 07:40 PM
I totally agree with team Digital for the CD idea.
I think that from the site u should be able to order like the tutorials CD or the fla CD or the music CD
each would be jam packed with the content on Flashkit and it would be a chance for extra income.
I'd probably buy all three if I had the chance because it would mean offline fk and loads more..
Peace

-Unrealsk8er

julian
02-18-2001, 11:49 PM
my two cents:

a) write scripts that update html files, DON'T keep generating each page dynamically (other than the forums, obviously). Most non-forum content doesn't update more than once a day - you can serve that material as (fast) static html. A little information design goes a long way.

b) javascript pulldown "quickjump" menus make for good section navigation - check out webmonkey.com - very well organized site. Again, a little information design...

c) all the dial-up users are saying don't build it in 100% flash, and they're right - kind of. however, some fast, efficient navigation elements in flash will help spruce up the site at no bandwidth cost - perhaps even a gain. its up to us to start using flash more productively than just "skip intro" intros & over-the-top interfaces. tricks like including all possible states of a nav bar in a single flash movie - which naturally gets cached by the browser - & then using javascript on each page to tell flash which state to display, can actually be faster than image-based rollover navbars.

d) you've got a hardcore readership - a paypal donation system will work very well. just use it occasionaly - special fundraising drives - don't leave it out there constantly; you'll look weak.

This one's a little out there:

e) do a director-based CD that installs a browser-less flashkit application - all interface elements (including the first round of advertising) are local, it just uses online variable files (XML?) to fill in the content - now you've reduced bandwidth & you've got a CD to sell. Updates get downloaded permanently. Get a distribution partner in the UK & the US (so you don't have to ship CDs across the ocean!) and you're laughing. the software could do batch downloads of tutorials, which would all be accessible in a common interface. FlashTyper could even be taken local by having director control Swift Generator! Think of the possibilities!

darlitt
02-19-2001, 01:19 AM
I am an avid flashkit user and would desperately love to see a faster return rate on page requests. I have been using flashkit as a resource for well more than a year(probably going on two). My main attraction to your site is the abundance of tutorials and sound files. In fact they have been my primary use for your site. I didn't even become a member until about two weeks ago when I sat down and actually browsed through other sections of the site.

To get to the point, if I had to become a member from the start, I probably would have went somewhere else for resources because I don't like the hassle of signing up for memberships much less paying for them. I would have never realized what a great resource and community Flashkit has to offer.

Give away the content to get visitors and continue to increase your member base (even if it takes some of us 2 years to sign up), and charge the advertisers more to make your profits and pay for the site. With a member base exceeding 100,000 you should be able to adequately sell virtual real estate in order to pay for site expenses. If not, hire new sales people.

I have to agree with sbucci. If you had a "Save Flashkit" fund, I would be more than happy to put in $5 or $10 to see the sites performance improve. Put one up for the heck of it and see what happens. I bet you will be pleasantly surprised.

Aside from that, I like the conference idea. A Flashkit conference could make a pretty hefty bankroll and give the flashkit users an opportunity to meet each other in person as well as the wonderful staff of Flashkit.

Here's my personal advice. Charge for a classroom on cd. You could put together a cd-rom that would cater to different classes of flash developers (like basic, intermediate and advanced) as well as offer free trial versions of popular software. Charge $16.95 for the cd plus shipping and voila! A new source for revenue. And the cd could just contain a whole section of tutorials from your website. (I would definitely pay for the convenience of having your tutorials on cd and not having to add to the demise of server bandwidth by visiting the site). You could do the same with the sound archives. Bundle a section of audio onto cd with some trial sound software and put a price on it. People will buy.

Sorry for adding to your database load with this huge reply. Good luck and I'm looking forward to v2.0.

Daniel Arlitt
Web Developer

themagiceye
02-19-2001, 08:42 AM
I had couple of ideas while reading through:

1. Why not do some kind of FlashKit approval for either web-design companies/individuals which could be charged for. It would give potential customers a bit of reassurance and could be linked in with a community of top-class designers. I'm sure everyone who took part would benefit if FlashKit upheld a high quality as i'm sure you would.

2. How about offering some sort of optimisation of peoples coding. Members could send you their flash and you could optimise it for file size and speed/quality. You could charge according to the amount of time and effort it would take. The alternative to yourselves doing it is to have a group of members who could provide this service instead. A user could submit their request to the member group who could tender bids to optimise the user's flash.

I really like the idea of printable tutorials. That would be a godsend.

I'd also like to say a huge thankyou to everyone who contributes to FlashKit as it's really helped me to learn. I only started with Flash about 5 weeks ago but already i've programmed my first 3D movie and written custom animated cursor scripts etc thanks to submissions which i've learnt from but never copied. So THANKYOU... and thanks to FlashKit too such an excellent site. Hope my ideas may provide some help to you. I'll be submitting soon...

Axe324
02-19-2001, 05:13 PM
well theres a lot of suggestions on making money
Couldn't u just try and opt for other means to fulfill your financial needs. Flashkit is a recognised name and i'm sure there are people out there who are willing to cash in on the name.
as for the debate on flash or html
ultrashock looks real good but i wouldn't say the same for it's reliability.
Flashkit's better off in html. But i think u could put up an intro in flash. The intro at ultrashocks real groovy
But i know the guys back here have it in them to kick butt :)
The layout shouldn't be changed at all.
thats about it

U GUys aRe The BesT
Peace!

kerfuffly3
02-19-2001, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by toddvance

Im a green NEWBIE who has fallen in love with Flash and with FlashKit (even with its slowness)---but here is something I was thinking...(oh ya and Im pretty smart so listen up).

You have got some real stud Flash people here so why not create a FLASH GUILD of some sort that people can become Members of, ($15/yr fee), can have thier talent or skills evaluated and receive certified Guild rank, etc. etc. etc.

I do Web Sites and would L O V E to be able to advertise that I belong to the 'Flash Guild" (whatever) on my site and my business cards --saying Im a 'Level 3' apprentice flash blah blah blah... I WOULD PAY A NOMINAL FEE AND
KILL ANYONE WHO TALKED BAD ABOUT MY GUILD!! (well maybe not that far)---but how bout that?!?!?

That would be Both USEFUL to YOU (Annual residual Income) and US the Users who are trying to get business or just plain more info!

OH BUT! Dont make the levels exclusively difficult because you would lose alot of us and I would not be so proud of a title such a 'Level 0 Neophite puke'... sorry for rambling.

TVance! (Jesus Saves!)

Ekostudios
02-19-2001, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by banglafreak
my suggestions:
optimize, but keep the boards the same. i have made 550+ posts and dont want to go back to zero. also, it would waste a whole lot of helpful content

Yes, make them better, (add [br], and speed), but don't delete the data.

Rog
02-20-2001, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by 3SkinsDeezine
The great things about web sites is that once they are online the advertising potential for the webmaster is endless. No fees mean that you could keep this site free for the members, while the advertising logos pay for your costs.

...

They pay, we learn. Sound Good?
The bottom has dropped out of the online advertising market, reducing the average advertising rates to less than a 1000th of what they were 2 years ago. Sites that have depended on advertising revenue (UK's biggest gaming site Barry's World for instance) are going out of business.

The reality is that advertising isn't the savoir of "free" services on the web, at least not to the extent that everyone was banking on. Sites like FlashKit need to justify their cost to their investors or make revenue in some way.

dagrom
02-21-2001, 04:22 PM
everyone click on banners...

you are already waiting for flashkit so click banners while you wait. this generates revenue and they open in new windows anyway.

-dag

tiedefenderdelta
02-23-2001, 07:26 AM
Flashkit v2.0 sounds cool.

As many other people have said DON'T charge for membership. Flashkit is as far as I'm aware the only good Flash site around, and this is because so many people contribute and get back because of the free open source environment. If you start charging, you'll actually start losing money because of the losses of users. I know I for one couldn't afford to pay.

Also some upgrades that I think would be good, although the Flash stuff is going great, how about some help with backend, and scripting technologies that work together with Flash?

Also having special expert chats and things like that seem a good idea.

Although I live in Australia, a good FK money raiser would be to send some of the more experienced staff around America, for paid forums, which could raise money for FK and give a nice break from all the hectic work.

Anyway that's my .00002 cents. Sorry if I repeated other people.... I couldn't be bothered to read through all the posts. Guess Flashkit is just a popular topic.

Keep up the awesome work, guys!

spickee
02-23-2001, 07:55 AM
I have to agree with everyone on the speed issue, faster please.

But having read Boomers comments and visited Dreamnation, why not hav a flashed site, or at least a more flashed site. Dreamnation is immensely quick.

Also I do agree that paying to use such a wonderful resource is a bad idea, but with the introduction of the Flashkit member logos, after a certain amount of contribution, why not do the same with donations, add a new logo such as Flashkit Benefactor, or something similar. That way newbies aren't intimidated by having to pay, but those of us who think the site is worth it contribute what we can afford. If it got the speed back to how it was last year, it would be worth it.

This site has assisted my wife in starting her own company produucing presentations and also web design. Without it I'd never have learnt to do the things I can today. So I'd be more than willing to contribute to such a great tool.

Keep up the good work, and I kind of like the colour scheme.

Spickee

elmerz
02-23-2001, 11:43 PM
after reading all the comments on paying for FKv2. I think it could be one of the greatest mistakes you can make. Even if it were only the idea of losing some of the visitors who are coming round today.. it would result in a great loss of valuable knowledge, the knowledge that creates the basis of the whole site!

Making the source files available offline, ie cd's for sale, I think, is one of the best ideas ever.. this way, FK users can view whatever they want whenever they want. for new visitors it's a fast &simple way to get up to date quickly and that would enhance the overall quality of the posts. result: more cd's.. besides this, it could also create a substantial income for FK.
I for one would be very interested in having instant access to a large amount of source files ;)

I also read something about 'not retrieving content instantly', this would mean that after i'd submitted a movie, it wouldn't be possible for me to check wether or not it was recieved correctly?? N-O I don't want that..

I don't want you to take a step back.. but the way the movies/sounds were displayed before this version (the directory structure) worked for me! I had almost instant access to all of the submissions.. instead of only the first four or five..

I'm very bad at scripting.. but if it were possible to load new pages, without refreshing the complete page (like frames) but keeping bookmarking available I'd be a very happy man!

FKv2 in flash sounds great at first but when you really think of it.. html/php setup will work perfectly/fastest for the next couple of years.. (don't forget FK is worldwide, so heaps of people will still have slower connections in the near future)

My conclusion: Whatever you plan to do, please do not make any adjustments negatively changing either the download speeds or the number of possible viewers..

thank you for making such an awesome &complete resource site, best regards

jayjmcgh
02-24-2001, 07:42 AM
Aww, fak'n'A man. I'd buy that for a dollar (or 5). Why don't you create an account and let those who want to tithe, tithe. I'd be willing to plop 5 bucks in the bucket from time to time. Crap, you saved me in the least, $1,000 in books and trainging thus far and I don't see ya' let'n up!

And to the muther f'er who got all yappy about that other site, you-ultra-know-which-one, the reason why I still come to flashkit is that it is in HTML which is the most familiar to me and the least cumbersome to download. Even I have to 'dial-up' now and then.

Keep it real FK!

puresin
02-25-2001, 01:15 PM
my old french teacher taught me "never change a winning
team".

i'd propose to keep that in mind when constructing fkV.2

personally i don't want too much features, but some
important and functional ones...

just some thought i had...:

1)
PLS!!! keep it in html. i'm running a damn fast machine
here, but still two or three large flash files in various
browser windows slow down my baby way to much...i'm here
for information, not for waiting...

besides, MOST very good designs were made in plain html or
a mixture of flash and html, and we don't need the whole
site to see whats possible in flash...we got the features
sites (very good one) and fla's section for this...

2)
bulk download. please. very appealing notion...

3)
i noticed more and more design specific topics in the board.
ok, that may be because the design&graphics board is the
only one i frequently visit (:)) but now that flash offers
many possibilities to change the web as we know it i'd
greatly appreciate a tutorial section for all the DESIGN
beginners of us. i'm thinking of some very basic how-to's
about color theory, typography, layout techniques etc...

4)
personalised emailadress....well would be nice but we all
do have at least 5 or 6, don't we? no need for another one..

that's all i can think of offhand, but...

i'll be back..:)

oh, by the way:

KEEP IT UP
you did a great job there.
congrats

banglafreak
02-25-2001, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by puresin
personalised emailadress....well would be nice but we all
do have at least 5 or 6, don't we? no need for another one..


wouldn't this bog down the servers trememdously? if it becomes a feature then make it only available to members of a certain status or post count

Nik128
02-25-2001, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by banglafreak

Originally posted by puresin
personalised emailadress....well would be nice but we all
do have at least 5 or 6, don't we? no need for another one..


wouldn't this bog down the servers trememdously? if it becomes a feature then make it only available to members of a certain status or post count I second that.
Even better, make it only available to members who have a certain number of quality posts because those are the ones who deserve it more.

wseligman
02-26-2001, 03:13 AM
FLASHKIT IS THE BOMB. I love it! Hopefully I don't repeat other suggestions, but as far as interface:

1) Keep in html, don't go all Flash. Speed rules, and ironically, Flash don't always live up to it's name now, do she?

2) Definitely a downloadable text version of each tutorial. ( Having to go online and advancing through seven pages slows the process of learning.) This might also allow users to be on less downloading only one file, than advancing through 7 pages.

3) All tutorials should be written the same if submitted by users. There should be an established criteria or rigid format that submissions follow - i.e., Must include: Read me file/Sample .swf/Sample .fla/all associated images.

I've downloaded some great looking .swf's, and there is often no read-me file along with it. You have to guess what to do by opening the .fla. (I hated that approach by teachers in college, where the only way to truly learn something was to "guess" how to do something on your own). I need to know how-to's NOW , so that I can focus on designing man!

4) Maybe a little more visual separation between all the text boxes. In MyFlash Kit or tutorial section, all the links for various things tend to fall together on all that white background. Maybe light color panels or thin rules to separate copy blocks/links from each other?

5) More specific critieria for posters, or more Mod Squads to edit and redirect? I see all kinds of posts in ALL the forums. "How to link a button" questions in the Coffee Lounge, instead of dealing with freelance/work-for-hire issues solely, and likewise, "How much should I charge" in the Newbie section.


And never let it be said that all my comments are critical. For fundraising:


1) I absolutely support the idea of a pay system. I know this a sharing community, but SHAREware is not the same as FREEware. A great deal of us have shelled out a lot of money for software fees, so paying for this service was inevitable. We all have benefited from this site. But the $150 a year/ $9.95 is too much!!! What is this, pay-per-view?? Lol. I don't even pay that for tech support from Macromedia/Adobe. If you price it too high, you'll drive away the newbies/rookies who might not be able to afford it, and who would otherwise be the foundation for your future.

I would recommend a flat yearly FLASHFEE, say $50. It really should be competively priced like a mag. subscription, maybe a little higher. But beware, once people start paying for something they got for free, they expect more - it's the nature of the beast. (Give 'em a t-shirt).

If you tier the level of pay and services you offer, I think you then take away the sense that we're "all learning together" community thing. Next thing you know, then we have tribes, then we're voting someone off the site.Lol.

1A) On-line secure credit card transactions. You'll need secure servers. I know I hate having to mail in a form vial snail-mail. Take advantage of the impulse buyers out there. (Still have mail-in forms for students, etc, people that don't have CC's).

2) Without hesitation, I can say that Flashkit has helped me 100 times over, and I have learned more from here than I ever have from Macromedia's tech support. (No offense to them). But even the "free" 90 days support costs me on my phone. And lag times between when I submit an e-mail and get a response is at LEAST a day. I'm sure I'm not alone. Get all of us unhappy Macro peeps together and form a group! Lol.


3) Good idea someone had to create on-line learning to compete with Macromedia, etc, but I think the purpose of Flashkit and it's forums does just that already.

Maybe for those posters that have want 1-on-1, they can pay for that time.


4) I don't know how referral programs work, (beyond the fact you get a % everytime a user orders through you), but I would suggest offering ALL Flash books and like merchandise for learning through your store. For me, I never just look at one source for Flash learning. I've tried all over - Lynda.com/Macromedia/Flashkit/Moock, etc. I don't think you'll lose your core audience to competition, you would just be offering a wider choice to the user.


5) Definitely build the "FlashKit" name through apparel (Hats, Tees, sweatshirts) and merchandise (mugs, mousepads)


6) How about a celebrity designer column? Get Hillman to answer a few questions, either submitted by the users during an on-line chat? Or a bi-monthly column by a featured Flash Guru.

Also, not just Flash designers, but from other diciplines as well to expand the users vocabulary.


7) How about selling a hybrid-CD with the "Best of FlashKit" stuff. Offer things as well that you can't for free, and can't get here. Excerpts from books, music clips/loops. You wouldn't be walking away from the "sharing" community thing that Flash is all about, you're just offering some extra goodies.

Look what the typehouse Emigre.com did. They expanded from a typehouse with a few fonts, to offering apparel and a music CD, and a ton of fonts.


8) Expand what Flash is about. FlashForward, etc is already there. Create FlashKit's own on-line festival. Maybe the Dead can play? No? Ok, how 'bout Blues Traveler? Alice in Chains? Let me know on that one.

9) More importantly, I think you have to be careful about adding "layers" to the whole process of sharing info here on Flashkit. We're all here because we can get answers probably within 10 minutes of posting. I don't anywhere where you can get that fast a response, (except 911). I.e., more "filters" to separate posts by subject will slow things down. Let the peeps police themselves. Or call The Mod Squad.

Whew! I'm outta breath.


[Edited by wseligman on 02-26-2001 at 02:24 AM]

palee
02-26-2001, 03:38 AM
If flashkit was to start charging a subscribtion fee, then they'd be shutting out a number of contributors ...transaction costs make pay as you go not feasable (forgive gross mispellings). I'm certain that there's a number of corprate entities that would love exposure to this very focus target market (ie flash geeks). As far as html being faster than flash....hmmm...I'd put any of my sites vs html for load times anyday. Not only would an all flash Flashkit prove as testament to the incredible web power of flash, it would be very cool as well. The speed problems that have plauged Flashkit are all backend. I'm sure that will be fixed. I'm sure that v 2.0 will be as sexy and elegant as, well, as it deserves to be...I have faith in Mark, his great crew, and our Flashkit community. Hell, all this talk about Fkit 2.0 makes me wanna volenteer! Where's the enlist to serve Flashkit post?!?!?!?!

Thx,
Brad

wseligman
02-26-2001, 12:17 PM
Brad- Your right with that one. In my long-winded rant, I forgot to suggest corp. sponsors. Macromedia has major partners on all the things they put. Flashkit is just as a valuable a resource as them. I would think at least Amazon/Apple/Windows people might consider adding their logo to the site.

As far as the html. vs Flash thing, I'm by no means enough of a Flash expert, but I would think some kind of pre-loading is going to have to be added in to FKv.2, because it will probably have a lot more imagery/banners/stuff. Unless the site will still remain primarily text based.

Anyone please feel free to correct me, the "streaming" newbie.Lol.

Knoj
02-27-2001, 03:03 AM
To add one more thing in the endless list...

In addition to the post counter, can we have a rate the post button... If someone helps me out, I want to be able to rate them as a 10 or so, but if someone leaves a post like "sorry bud, I can't help you out", then I will call that a bad post, and they would get a 3 or so, and if they are out right rude, I would like to be able to give them a -12098 or some where near that...

On flash kit, every one is a student, but everyone is a teacher, I would like to know who has been blowing smoke up peoples asses, and who has been helpfull to other people!

You should only be able to rate a post by someone once, I'm sure you can see the value of this!

This may even cut down on the low quality posts, and people would stop trying to race! That would be realy spiffy! Thanks!

d_leed
03-07-2001, 05:53 AM
A few reasons why you shouldn't demand membership fees:

-Flashkit gives many youngsters the chance to learn flash, and these poor souls don't have the money

-Flashkit offers tutorials written by the same people who would get forced to pay

-Already the fact that you MUST register to reply in Forums is pretty upsetting

-it would isolate the Flashkit community

-A site with the amount of hits that Flashkit gets doesn't need to demand fee's, they can offer they're page for free and get enough money with advertisments

-If you would demand fee's, you should be fair and remove all advertisment banners, therefore you'd lose a lot of income.

-Demanding fee's is just giving other people the opportunity to make a better site that's free.


Just keep thing the way they are, perhaps try to make them faster :)

PIXELPUNK
03-08-2001, 03:50 PM
First let me say that I am opposed to 2 ideas.

1. Don't make FK a pay site. I learned flash here for free and so have many kids that I have directed here. Some of us use all or our money on the Software Licence and decent ISP.

2. Don't go 100% flash. Not everyone has as good of a connection as some of us.


My Idea is this,

Create and sell on line a CD series called "The Best of Flash Kit" or something like that.
The CD would be a library of the best sounds, fla's, tutorials, etc from FK. perhaps it could be a yearly production. That way, people who submit good ideas and creations could get them published on CD and those of us who love the work so much could have the last years content off line for reference.

Of course it would require the that the people submitting would know that their work could be included in a CD, but what the heck, they are giving it away anyhow.

This might also solve some of the issues of having too many files on the server.
Files could be cleaned out periodically because everyone is buying the reference CD.

dolface
03-09-2001, 03:54 AM
can we can have a forum for folks to post pure AS tutorials, without having to make a .fla to go along with it?
as flash gets more powerful and AS gets more abstracted it may be beneficial to have a forum where we can post scripts that are essentially modules extending flash. i realize that macromedia has a forum for that express purpose, but i suspect that their approval process is more arduous and limiting than fk's, not to mention that that they will--almost certainly--refuse to publish exploits or hacks of whatever their current release is, denying those of us who think such things are cool to play with and publicize them.


thanks,

-g

sirduck
03-09-2001, 10:45 PM
Please do not go to a pay site.

[1] To make money preview books that link to a site to buy it. This could be designed so that a tutorial will have a link to related books of the same level and subject.

[2] The banner advisement could have a bigger selection of ads that are related to the stuff on flashkit.

Nik128
03-10-2001, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by sirduck
The banner advisement could have a bigger selection of ads that are related to the stuff on flashkit.
Yes, like merchandise but only Flashkit. I see no reason why Flashkit shouldn't have the store, like T-shirts, magazines, books and other goodies by Flashkit team.

Post counts-free, or Flashkit email, rating posts ---> those things are least important so people don't repeat posts please.
[Edited by Nik128 on 03-10-2001 at 10:00 PM]

pigghost
03-11-2001, 03:00 PM
Hi.......I have to admit I have not taken the time to read all of the posts in this thread........so, if I'm repeating what has already been said, just ignore this......

I think one thing that is desperately needed here at FlashKit is a FAQ Section........so many of the questions posted in the Help Sections are asked repeatedly......I think many newcomers do not realize there is a Search available.....

If there were a FAQ Section that was similar to GGW's INSTA-TUTES, but organized, say alphabetically..........I mean you could probably narrow down the most asked things to 15 or 20.......I think it would be a great help...........

....and I wouldn't mind helping out on such a venture; just let me know.

Just my opinion.........

-pigghost-
[Edited by pigghost on 03-11-2001 at 04:11 PM]

cne_fx
03-14-2001, 05:54 PM
you could outsource your servers to speedera.com

cne_fx
03-14-2001, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by cne_fx
you could outsource your servers to speedera.com


let me expand,..speedera is one of those things that clones your site as the hits grow,..they also let your users actually pull requests from local servers,.ie; someone in NewYork wouldnt be hitting a server in Cali,.. or does Flashkit already do this? I dont know,.. just a suggestion

glow
03-16-2001, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by kptoth
Why don't you make FlashKit v2.0 100% Flash? Use the product that you are featuring.

UltraShock.com will probably be 100% Flash and it'll be tough for FK to stay competitive when UltraShock.com goes live.



Isn't Ultrashock.com live now? If it is the site you are speaking of, it isn't 100% flash. Try right-clicking on a download button.

I wouldn't pay to play, type anything into google and you'll find it
so what if its in russian

daviddoull
03-16-2001, 05:22 AM
Flashkit is well known now as the place to go for source files, tutorials, answers to your questions.

Hence you have a brand that is strongly associated with 'learning flash'.

So why not put out a flashkit book or cdrom. Clearly there must be money to be made from flash books or there wouldnt be so many of 'em.

And people dont know which book to buy - flashkit could use its established association with being " the place to get flash answers" - to distiguish the book.

So get together some of your tutorial contributors and moderators and put together the flashkit book. Then sell it online and watch the money come in.

you could also try running flashkit endorsed training semminars (kinda like the colin mook ones f4 ff2001)

dd

101000
03-16-2001, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by wseligman

2) Definitely a downloadable text version of each tutorial. ( Having to go online and advancing through seven pages slows the process of learning.) This might also allow users to be on less downloading only one file, than advancing through 7 pages.

3) All tutorials should be written the same if submitted by users. There should be an established criteria or rigid format that submissions follow - i.e., Must include: Read me file/Sample .swf/Sample .fla/all associated images.
[Edited by wseligman on 02-26-2001 at 02:24 AM]

As to point 2, I think that that's a great idea. I think that you can have it both ways though. Just have a printable version that people can download/print with ease.

As for point 3, I believe that your templates are difficult for users to write tutorials as it is. the only reason I haven't wrote several tutorials is because I have to use your templates. I think a better way of handling it would be to let your users write the tutorial in the fashion that there most comfortable with, and then use CSS style sheets to make it automatically intigrate into your site. Also if you wrote a dtd for xml people to write articles in, this would integrate all articles into your site, and make it easier for you in future upgrades.

One thing that I think would be great is build your site using a mix of flash/php. Example, build most of the interface, like a frame and menu buttons, in flash and then fill the parts that using flash would hinder, like links, news, ect., using php. http://www.ultrashock.com does a very nice job of this if you need an example of what I'm talking about.

I love your guy's site and I rarely venture anywhere else when reading flash related things. Infact I check your site for updates more than I check my email throughout the day. I know that whatever you guys come up with it will be the best.

wseligman
03-16-2001, 04:14 PM
101000 -

"3) All tutorials should be written the same if submitted by users."

I agree on your suggestion to let users write in the style most comfortable for them, and perhaps I should clarify my statement after I read it again.

It's not about using the same templates when you submit a .swf, but rather about being very clear in the style of language and how you phrase your directions to the user.

I have found different writing styles from tutorial to tutorial. Some leave in certain details, some don't, but that's individuality. There should be a minimum set of standard information in their copy, such as what the tutorial does, all steps clearly written with no abbreviations, etc.

Many coders have submitted great tutorial ideas, but some of the writing is in "tech-shorthand," for lack of a better phrase. All writers should assume that their audience is clueless when describing something, and that the audience might not understand the world that the writer inhabits.

Hope I was clear, lol.
[Edited by wseligman on 03-17-2001 at 11:52 PM]

101000
03-17-2001, 01:42 PM
wseligman-

I agree with you on a certain amount of standards that should be included in a tutorial.

factor7
03-18-2001, 12:34 PM
8) Expand what Flash is about. FlashForward, etc is already there. Create FlashKit's own on-line festival. Maybe the Dead can play? No? Ok, how 'bout Blues Traveler? Alice in Chains? Let me know on that one.
-----
already did that, mon. I did that. I'm gonna do it again.

1)Gender specifications
2)Free Custom Titles
3)Free Access
3A)For users with over a year of exp, fee:$1 per month.
4)New color scheme
5)More news
6)flashMessenger, perhaps?
7)(festival), for which i have great concepts. CONTACT ME, Y'ALL LOOZAS FO SOME SKEENSHOTS, YEAH!

banglafreak
03-18-2001, 12:48 PM
factor7, make the experienced users but not the newbies pay? thats extremely biased in my opinion. everyone free or everyone pay. (or make donations optional)

clifffield
03-20-2001, 01:14 AM
The biggest problem I have with the site (actually the only one really) is that I feel there are too many steps to downloading a file.

Obtaining sound loops etc becomes a tedious process as I have to wait for pop up windows and so on and so forth. I would like to click the link and have the filesave dialogue box pop up straight away - without the intermediate step.

Other than that, FlashKit is an awesome resource, it is good to know it's not far from home either (I'm in NZ).

I have never had any speed issues or 404's.

Keep up the good work.

CF

evade
03-21-2001, 01:19 AM
Please please change the colour scheme.
and maybe add a (compulsory to signup??) section where the difference between the sitecheck, cool sites, members sites etc. forums is spelt out in big letters with big pretty coloured pictures to illustrate the difference.

visordown
03-22-2001, 05:43 AM
Definately

[list]
Upgrade the forum to vB 2.0 this lowering load on the server which @ peak times in the forum must slow the whole site.
Keep it HTML - no questions.
Dont have a free email service - whats hotmail for ?
Maybe have a color change option in FLash Kit, I know that a lot of people use this @ work when they are not meant to, so what about an option to make it less abusive to the monitor thus more people can nip on @ work.

cheers !

~Ben

thenewrules
03-24-2001, 10:58 AM
I've been to sites which offer services which can be billed to your phone bill. Having little tutorials and stuff for free is cool. But you could also have higher end stuff. "Download this complete turnkey internet commerce website kit, Click Here, a fee of $7.95 will be tacked on to your phone bill." or "Get my manual, Safeguarding your site from hackers, only 75 cents, click here".
As it stands now, designers can only hope to attract side business by posting tutorials. This way, designers can go out of their way to make some really nice product and get a little compensation for all the extra effort. You can pay out the way MP3.com or the banner ad companies do. Paying out after posters have accumulated $25 per monthly period.
It's good for the designers, it's good for people who need the services and it's good for Flashkit.
You could also offer all the Flashkit tutorials and movies on a CD set.

thenewrules
03-24-2001, 11:05 AM
How's this for a method of making money for the site?
Flashkit can accept contract jobs doing flash sites.
Interested designers can hang out in what would be the equivalent of a virtual temp service. Let's say Flashkit lands a job doing McDonald's web site in Flash. You have a moderator who is like the group manager. He posts the various job descriptions on the board; Need a cartoonist to do Ronald McDonald riding a bike. Need a photographer to submit location shots. Need a Java Programmer familiar with submitting forms using ASP. Need a grunt to do cleanup and paint on submitted Ronald sketches.
You see a job description you like you apply on the board "Hey, I can draw Ronald McDonald blindfolded!" Then the Moderator comes back "OK FlashNutz, you get the job, go clock in" Jobs can be either flat rate contract, like $100 per sketch, or you can clock in on some kind of central database and work from your home computer by the hour.
You can set up a system like Cocoon which allows multiple users to work on different aspects of the same project simultaneously.
This would allow Flashkit to use their noteriety to attract real business, utilizing a virtual army of talented designers.

thenewrules
03-24-2001, 11:10 AM
It would be cool to have a java script or something which will pop up a window alerting you when someone has answered one of your posts. That way you can post a question and roam around while you're waiting for an answer.

bchew007
03-24-2001, 11:35 AM
I would like more polls.

bchew007
03-24-2001, 11:35 AM
Maybe some book reviews?

Nik128
03-24-2001, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by thenewrules
I've been to sites which offer services which can be billed to your phone bill. Having little tutorials and stuff for free is cool. But you could also have higher end stuff. "Download this complete turnkey internet commerce website kit, Click Here, a fee of $7.95 will be tacked on to your phone bill." or "Get my manual, Safeguarding your site from hackers, only 75 cents, click here".
As it stands now, designers can only hope to attract side business by posting tutorials. This way, designers can go out of their way to make some really nice product and get a little compensation for all the extra effort. You can pay out the way MP3.com or the banner ad companies do. Paying out after posters have accumulated $25 per monthly period.
It's good for the designers, it's good for people who need the services and it's good for Flashkit.
You could also offer all the Flashkit tutorials and movies on a CD set. I don't agree with you.
We all want Flashkit to be AD-FREE.
The download kit you mentioned that adds a fee to your phone bill; no, there are thousands of members here on Broadband connection, and that Kit is not well recognized by other major websites.
We all want fast surfing and powerful servers at Flashkit.
Many people agreed that we all should give donations to FK. 100 000+ members, if each gives $1, it would be nice.
Flashkit store would also be a great thing, buying T-shirts, CDs of cool loops, posters, and other goodies
This is a resource site, not a business site where you are supposed to pay just to download a 50kb-movie or small tutorial. Keep this in mind, if someone pays to download, he would have the downloads on his site, so everyone would go there, and Flashkit would face troubles removing those sites. There are better ways for Flashkit to make money.

Knoj
03-24-2001, 05:47 PM
I would buy all of my books, and books through FK if they were sold here! I buy at least $300 in books, if FK got 5% of that, it's $15, take that by the number of people buying books, and FK remains free!

Why not hold contests for the member with the most sponsor clicks? The member that has the most "unique" banner clicks each month wins a tee-shirt, or a sound loop pack... It would encourage people to click on the banners, and that's where the $ comes in right?

canuckster
03-24-2001, 09:34 PM
I'll try to be concise:

Don't start charging membership--besides destroying the spirit and purpose of Flashkit, I'm certain you'd see 'true membership' plummet.

Sell T-shirts. I would buy a Flashkit T-shirt if: it was a really cool design (not some dumb thing saying Flashkit in small letters over your left breast, but something that made people actually look at your shirt, and like it).

For the actual design, just hold a contest--with all these design-types out there, I'm sure someone could come up with something cool; perhaps there should be more than one design for the potential consumer to choose from.

You would have to make a deal with a distributor in the US or Canada (the latter would probably be cheaper, since our dollar is almost as low as the Aussie dollar) if you wanted to sell shirts here--I'm not about to try ordering something from halfway around the planet (imagine the postage costs).

Is there any hope of scoring a deal with Macromedia? If it turns out that more Flashers come to Flashkit for info than to Macromedia, then aren't you saving them money vis-a-vis customer support?


Whatever the outcome, I sincerely wish Flashkit the best. It has been of immense service to me.

teanau
03-26-2001, 12:58 AM
the ability to filter/ order forum searches based on their popularity (reads/replies)

this would need to be weighted over time so that new posts could qualify equily (10 replies in a week) along side a long standing debate (150 replies over 3 months)


also the idea of some sort of complete flashkit cd release would generate revenue... I like that. (or maybe thats just because the site runs slowly currently) it could operate like a subscription....


dont offer more than is available on the site!
Dont have standdown time untill the info is made available,


ha ha heres a goodie....
Maybe the search could find information locally if the cd is inserted....


cool
[Edited by teanau on 03-26-2001 at 12:13 AM]

mojmiles
03-26-2001, 03:22 AM
<i enjoy the site right now, improvement?
not total flash>

sploenk
03-27-2001, 09:38 AM
Maybe it could help the flashers on FK if they could get in contact with any other flasher by some sort of messenger system. Because every member has it's own i.d., they could chat directly and help each other out with his/her problem.

b.t.w not 100% flash

Panix1
03-30-2001, 10:41 AM
I'm looking forward to the new FlashKit v.2

I was really grateful for the current version, think of the state of mind i'll be in with the new version.

Nowhere on the net can you get this kind of information; I even enrolled to macromedias online courses (300 $, I feel like a sucker)... What a waste of time when you can get it here and more...

Somebody mentioned the idea of selling stuff over your site, to keep costs down. I'd f.... buy a T-shirt (or whatever) anytime if this meant you guys could keep this site up & running.

Just wanted to say thanks
Keep up the good work.

Panix

Nik128
03-30-2001, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by sploenk
Maybe it could help the flashers on FK if they could get in contact with any other flasher by some sort of messenger system. Because every member has it's own i.d., they could chat directly and help each other out with his/her problem.

b.t.w not 100% flash ICQ? Most of FK members have ICQ numbers and most, if not all moderators as well.
I don't see anything anything wrong with ICQ, it's the best messenger there is.

oz
04-01-2001, 10:18 AM
sorry if this has been posted before, but....

the only problem i have with FK is the lack of advanced search features in the movies section. you can only search with keywords. how about adding search functions that allow you to narrow your search into, say flash5 or flash4 movies and/or the date and/or the ratigs, etc etc.

:oz

Tautz
04-01-2001, 06:58 PM
My idea was to say some words about flashkit chat room. Wouldn't it to be good idea to put up flashkit irc channel. So that I dont need to use this super slow web based interface. And to add for this irc channel java applet. So that users can connect to it by web browser. I think that chat room is great thing in flashkit but there are just some details which are making this thing there useless. It is too slow!!! Maybe there is somewhere an official flashkit irc channel and I havent seen it but anyway...

mythdrannor.com
04-02-2001, 01:10 PM
The future internet revenue model is "service-based" sites. Even Microsoft is moving all its applications online as services.

Based on that assumption, I believe FlashKit should take the 1,000's oh flash files and start offering some advance designs to "members" who pay a small monthly fee. Keep the free stuff alive, but create an area where members can freely exchange their more advanced design work. You may even be able to build in a referral model. Another option is giving members so many points to download files, all based on membership fees or uploads to the member community.

Just my two bits.

irlmarc
04-02-2001, 07:21 PM
All i can say is

1: SPEED (or the lack of it)
2: Fix the tuts put them on 1 or 2 pages not 10 or 11 also sometimes i cannot see html code on a tut it is just a blank space so i have to root in the source to find it!!
3: Keep the design i like it
4: better help sometimes i cant find help i am looking for
5: Dont make it a fee site


Other than that FK team Are doin a great job
on the speed front i have noticed a major speed up on some pages


Good work FK keep it up!!

mutant
04-03-2001, 01:21 AM
just make it simple for faster site viewing. you can use linux box for cascading computer for better performance and save hardware cost.:)

Slack-Master RAjj
04-03-2001, 03:07 PM
A few quick suggestions:

1. Try out a donation system first before going to a membership-based site. I think the Flash Kit community would donate enough on their own to support this site without memberships.

2. Many people have suggested a Flash Kit store. This would be an excellent idea. We all have to buy Flash materials anyway; and there is no reason why Flash Kit couldn't get a cut of that.

3. In addition to a "Best of Flash Kit" CD, why not create a system like FilePlanet's FilePlanet CD (http://www.fileplanet.com/index.asp?page=cdrom)? This would be a great alternative for those who are on a narrowband connection and are limited to downloading the smaller files. It could be integreated with a bulk download system, so you could either download the files in bulk or have them put on CD and mailed to you (snailmail). FlashKit could charge whatever their production/shipping costs are per CD plus a little extra to help fund the site.

4. A realtime chatroom type of system could be quite useful for getting questions answered fast, as long as it is not abused by flamers and those who refuse to read the tutorials/FAQ's first.

5. Don't go all Flash. It would be a pain for both the Flash Kit creators and visitors.

6. I think the idea of having some type of collaborative projects or contests on Flash Kit would be neat. For instance, everyone could band together and create a mock-up Flash site, documenting the steps along the way. When the site was finished, all the files would be made available for download and the documentation would serve as a tutorial to show future visitors how to create such a project. The site could even be submitted to FlashForward and other contests. It would help build community and give people a change to flex their Flash muscles.

Sorry, guess that wasn't so quick after all. I look forward to Flash Kit v2.0, keep up the good work!

Chris Neville
04-04-2001, 04:18 AM
Well, I finally got through the entire thread, and here's my piece, for what it's worth.

The Flashkit store, both with FK related merchandise and reselling books/software/etc. is a great idea, both as a new feature and as a way to raise some $$$. I would certainly buy through this site, as it has been there for me many times.

I also think the idea of FK developing and presenting some kind of online learning and cert program for Flash is a great idea. I would pay for this, if it was well done, and if the certification actually meant something. This could be very lucrative, but costly to develop.

I agree that this site flourishes because it is a community, and that charging membership could be a detriment. However, there are ways to enact a tiered membership model without excluding people from the tutorials and other free resources. Someone several pages back mentioned that a better job placement/freelance project assembler would be great, in addition to resources for the freelancer (rate sheets, national avgs, etc) perhaps this could be a "value added" service and require a small monthly fee. Hey, I make money from Flash programming, and it's worth it to me to invest a little to get more work.

You could also set up some kind of "partnership" deal with those of us that have services to offer Flashers so we could put content/product up on your site for a fee. Better than a banner ad, and useful for the community.

I hope you won't go to a 100% Flash site, because I think upkeep on a site this huge would be nightmarish, and probably result in slower updates. I'll be along for the ride whatever happens. Keep up the good work!

Souless-One
04-04-2001, 02:25 PM
How about being able to loop flash made files, I find it a dissapointment that I can't loop the animation. Also It would be easyer if you could upload extra animation from your computer and add it too the flash file you are already creating.

Great site, I can't wait for the new one. :)

kaosmos
04-04-2001, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by kptoth
Why don't you make FlashKit v2.0 100% Flash? Use the product that you are featuring.

UltraShock.com will probably be 100% Flash and it'll be tough for FK to stay competitive when UltraShock.com goes live.

no, that's right in this way. HTML pages and flash content when it's needed.
Too much flash is like too much sugar...
[Edited by kaosmos on 04-04-2001 at 09:30 PM]

robw
04-08-2001, 06:03 PM
i think a rating system should be for each category in the movies section it is really hard to find the best flas to learn from at the moment

also a chatroom will be really good

zonk
04-09-2001, 06:22 PM
COOL!
http://members.home.net/nicholashalligan">

zoomfreddy
04-10-2001, 07:16 PM
The fee idea is good to make some money, but i wonder how many companies will pay the fee for each one of their flashers. Let's be real, if they have to pay for 5 or 10 flashers this become a big budget . And in the other side, there will be always the problem of users giving their account to friends etc. and how about the sharing of tutorials, examples and alike, it cut be harder to make someone upload something helpful to the rest of us if the site is earning money with this.

Maybe you can do it charging for online help, something like " i need help right now with my specific flash problem, not one or two days later in the board" type. I think a plenty of us are willing to pay for that kind of help.

And how about selling Flash lessons books made in Flash itself as tutorials apps for Mac and pc.

And for the speed you can try to make the home site for all and others sites for each level of flash, in this way not everybody will be fighting for the same bandwidth.

And please don´t go all flash!!!

evade
04-10-2001, 09:56 PM
information should be free for all to access and share. was'nt this the original purpose of the internet.

asgambino
04-13-2001, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by banglafreak
my suggestions:

[list]

a small membership fee, maybe $5 a year. its not too much but with 100,000 members it will help a lot! ($500,000 a year)



One thing: If FK was to go fee-based, that 100,000 member count would drop substantially. I can't imagine more than 10,000 members would 'stick around' if there were a fee to use FK (even as small as that).

I've gotta think that FK needs to expand their advertiser base and set up a donation section. If smaller sites that are far less informative can survive using Paypal or the like, I'm sure FK would make more than enough.

Xi_Master
04-15-2001, 06:02 AM
* KEEP FLASH FREE!!!
* Not 100% Flash!!!
* Maybe servers in Europe, Asia, US, Australia for those
who have a slow connection. Like the Tucows system.
* Maybe ASP instead of HTML?
* Merchandise....
* Sponoring....

Well, that's what I've got to say about the new flash...

Trunkz
04-17-2001, 06:31 PM
As far as this Flaskit 2.0 is going, i think u guys should a Looping Effect, as in playing the Effects Over an Over....

billevans
04-17-2001, 06:43 PM
First off it's hard to improve on a such a good site but I think you're headed in the right direction. Speed should be a main concern. MyFk should be a close second. As far as revenue generation goes I don't think you can charge people to use everything on the site or you'll start to lose the "community" side of the site. You could very easily charge for a few things though. Higher quality tutorials, maybe done by moderators, in response to the mosts popular posts. Leave the access for anyone to submit their own files and keep that free, but charge for the kick ass files. Maybe do like a "digest" cd of the most popular stuff and sell that. I know I'd pay to have Flashkit on cd in my collection. Just a few thoughts keep up the good work!

ORI
04-17-2001, 07:45 PM
I just visited Ultrashock and I must say I am extremely impressed, and would like to tell you on version 2 Flashkit, beside all the new design please don't overuse stupid intros, no complicated forums, just plain vector Flash so it downloads better, faster and of course throw in a generator back -end and thats it.
Although ulstrashock is very nice, it is a bit too grey.

Yours ORI

http://www.pureimage.co.uk
[Edited by ORI on 04-17-2001 at 08:15 PM]

peregryn770
04-17-2001, 07:52 PM
please, please, please don't go 100% flash... HTML is what we need for speedy pages and downloads. if its gotta be fancy, throw in some DHTML/JAVA, but keep the flash far, far away. i don't think we want Flashkit to be an "experience", just a usable, clean resource.

ORI
04-17-2001, 08:30 PM
MONEY?
I think you deserve a good multi million pound/dollar funding from macromedia for promoting its products to over 100.000 flash fanatics. Macromedia should wake up and sponsor you rightnow!!!

Computer Dork
04-19-2001, 03:06 AM
Faster!!!!!

killabry
04-19-2001, 09:00 PM
No one can read me at page 9......

http://www.valueclick.com would definately sponsor you. 10-20 cents a click. I'd click. I love this site, but if you make it a pay site, I won't pay. I can't. Lots of the user base is under 18.... no credit cards, no checks (Maybe), no membership. I'd hate to leave, but i can find flash hhelp at a million other sites.

BernardoEscoffie
04-20-2001, 02:04 PM
If I just could find something like Flashkit but in my own language...
Why not?
Something like:
Buscas tutoriales en español?
Visita nuestros foros de discusiones en español

I´m sure a lot of people will be glad.
And not only for spanish. And I´m NOT talking about translate all the flashkit content. Ok? Just let the "anylanguage" community grows up by it self.

Another suggestion: a site whit more than a million cliks a day could get a big money from ads. That way users don't need to pay to much. You could make 2 versions. Payd one with out advertisements, and free one with lots of ad banners.

Keep on doing this GREAT job!
:)

Andrew Kidoo
06-15-2001, 12:04 AM
Sell CD's of site komponents. All Movies, tutorials, and even the komplete FK knowledge base kompressed on CD.

Is that legal?

Would be a ripper m8!!!

iCEBERG2000
03-17-2002, 05:24 PM
Hey whatever happened to v2, the new interface, navigation ? It looked promising. Mark, JStarkey? :)

Probably not a top priority but now since the servers are running fast maybe something going on along the lines of the new Fk look? :D

]v[orpheus
03-17-2002, 06:52 PM
No wonder I've never seen this thread. This was made way before I joined.

My ideas (based on other boards which use the latest vB version)
Ability to change your own title/avatar
Personal Messaging
That birthday feature as well (optional)

That's about it really.

chefgrad
03-18-2002, 11:00 AM
Why are so many people suggesting that they'd charge membership fees? Do you guys want to spend more money? The main reason I enjoy this site, and am a dedicated member, is because what it offers free of charge... Believe me.. If there was a charge.. I wouldn't be here.. and I bet many others would agree... So please don't charge for membership.

mbritton
03-18-2002, 11:21 AM
Chefgrad, this is a thread where we think of ways FK can MAKE MONEY.

I suggest deleting archived board material older than 4 months, and offering paying members the service of having their MyFK materials sent to them in the electronic format of their choice.

chefgrad
03-18-2002, 11:39 AM
that is obviouse, but there are other ways of making money than charging us... I read some good ideas on here..

dazza3
03-22-2002, 07:47 AM
when is this actually going to happen?

angstrom
03-23-2002, 11:30 PM
think of your own ways to earn money :-p

ways to make it work better imho

#1 tie in with google(or similar) as a site search. present one is useless

#2 strengthen bb, it's the core right now but creaky(eg this thread needs to be in less pages for skimming)

#3 'my fk' . great idea, but I never use it 'cos its too difficult to use, I would love to use it more. It repels me!

#4 php is ok .. but I hate the full reload for what should be just a menu expanding.and i'm on a quick connection

#5 movies section is full of great stuff, just takes me a coupla hours to find it thats all, search always fails me . again php hell.sort by rating needed


other suggestions ... well its mainly the php that slows my flow, subsections need to be more accesible without a rerender of the whole site structure

good luck with the cash !

younghistorians
08-14-2002, 12:26 PM
add some kind of app so you can moniter your threads in realtime. Im sick of recieving email everytime someone replies. It should be a small file or download that sits in your system tray. It should just flash or make a noise when someone replies.

Im glad your changing fk, this version has been great, but its time for a total overhaul.:)

mutant
08-14-2002, 09:18 PM
* Use Linux as your OS.
* add some fkmessenger like yahoo, aol, or msn for real time conversation and maybe you can add some flash support on your fkmessenger for client's banners....in that way everybodies happy...people will get excited when they heard this, i think...:)
* No membership fee pls...
* THINK DIFFERENT...
* Let me know if you use my idea's for implementing your site...coz I have to patent it..hehehehhe just kidding...

--mutant
http://www.brendonco.cjb.net

hockyfan
08-14-2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by dazza3
when is this actually going to happen?
This is an old thread. What makes any of you think it will still happen?


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younghistorians
08-15-2002, 08:02 AM
It will happen. The webmaster started this thread. He has hinted around the site about it. Might take awihe though:)

mutant
08-15-2002, 10:19 PM
AS long the webmaster started it....It will happen soon...


mutant
"Mutant is watching..."
http://www.brendonco.cjb.net

hockyfan
08-15-2002, 11:51 PM
You should also know he is no longer the webmaster. jstarkey is. So before you get your hopes up, wait for him to respond.


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younghistorians
08-18-2002, 04:41 PM
how did he become the webmaster??? Did he buy it out or what?

mutant
08-18-2002, 09:32 PM
Ya i know. where is he(the old webmaster) now?

mutant
"Mutant is watching..."
http://www.brendonco.cjb.net

younghistorians
08-18-2002, 09:36 PM
I wish my knew...:)

hockyfan
08-18-2002, 10:56 PM
Mark is currently goin' around the world I believe enjoying himself. He's stopped in a few times, and is still involved in some way I think:)


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younghistorians
08-18-2002, 11:15 PM
great, so he wont chage my title or avator for a while.:) I sent him a request to change my title.

slasher3g
08-19-2002, 07:54 PM
Don't make Flashkit a payable service no matter what..

I would pay, but I am too broke and not old enough to have a credit card.

I'm sure I'm not alone. Don't ignore us!

mutant
08-19-2002, 09:46 PM
I think he's involve in flashkit as a consultant? Oh well,,,,Im planning to make a site that incorporate's 3D in web, like downloadable 3D intro, animation, cartoons and etc....who wants to be involve? please let me know...:)


mutant
"Mutant is watching..."
http://www.brendonco.cjb.net

younghistorians
08-19-2002, 09:48 PM
Im intrested.!:)

alty29
08-21-2002, 05:05 PM
have contest's that would be cool, and get rid of the yellowish color scheme

FFF
10-02-2002, 09:38 PM
I vote for less yellow on the next version of Flashkit

jstarkey
10-02-2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by mutant
* Use Linux as your OS.

All 4 servers are running on Linux.

jstarkey
10-02-2002, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by hockyfan
Mark is currently goin' around the world I believe enjoying himself. He's stopped in a few times, and is still involved in some way I think:)


Mark is only really working on providing history for the book, now. He does stop in occasionally though.

Jezza is still here and MacG has helped out a bit.

jstarkey
10-02-2002, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by slasher3g
Don't make Flashkit a payable service no matter what..


That won't be happening anytime soon.

Miltaperez
10-02-2002, 10:59 PM
If your interested in Market like research.

1) I'd pay for Flashkit, maybe not $150 a year or $9.95 a month, but with a little price point research you would find an amount that will not scare people and damage the overall content of the site.

2) Maybe charge for having webspace and downloading tutorials or open fla's.

3) Please don't charge people to get help off the message board.

4) But at the same time, some of the people on FK have great knowledge that people would pay to get one on one support with. If you can incorporate something like pay pal, along with private message board rooms you might get some money.

Sorry my thoughts aren't that clear. But hope these can spawn some ideas.

cocojumbo1
10-02-2002, 11:37 PM
GET CORPORATE SpONSORSHIP!.

Get Macromedia, Swish , Electric Rain, Etc etc..
Send them out proposals. But make sure your still in control.
Or else it will be biased to the max.

Coco :domo: :mrpimp:

Good Site!!! I love FK!!.

If you make it a subsription site potential software / merchandise buyers might get thrown Away keep it 90% free

jstarkey
10-03-2002, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Miltaperez
Maybe charge for having webspace and downloading tutorials or open fla's.

A lot has changed since this thread was created. We won't be charging for visitor services. :)

jstarkey
10-03-2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by cocojumbo1
GET CORPORATE SpONSORSHIP!.

Get Macromedia, Swish , Electric Rain, Etc etc..
Send them out proposals. But make sure your still in control.
Or else it will be biased to the max.


We have 8 partners which do include Erain and SWiSH. We have a great relationship with them and Macromedia.

jstarkey
10-03-2002, 12:31 AM
This thread is severely outdated; a LOT has changed in the past year. I'm going to close this thread to avoid any further confusion.

Once we start considering the redesign, I'll start a new thread and link to this one to make sure the suggestions aren't lost.