All KoolMoves sites

These are all flash sites done in KoolMoves. KoolMoves is a great program that, with a little work (and a LOT of help from the great people at these fourms :) ), you can do 'bout anything with. Here are the all KoolMoves sites I have online:


pamelafisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com - advertising
howardglazer.com
tlkiddbuilder.com
harris-homes.com
feliciansisters.org - vocations
My Music Site

You can do alot with this puppy!

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Cant't forget my record player with the "almost" working volume knob.
Record Player

thanks for sharing these Bob

nice and simply. i like sites in your site. simplicity is elegant :]

Your TV is brilliant.

I like the nice touch of the 'reflection' highlight.

Thats the trouble with flash - you need a designers eye to take it
to the next level -

You've got that

Steve

I remember your EL 34s site from the past. I did not know that you were into advertising. Some of the stuff is pretty good.
(when are you going to make it so that someone can download some decent sounding mp3's for there own collection)

Well done Bob, you are easily good enough to put a template on Koolexchange, why not inspire others with your tallent.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to submit something to Koolexchange. I wouldn't know what to submit. And I'm not sure how to make a mp3 downloadable in flash. Maybe I'll look for some script to do that (unless someone already has one in mind. Tmoore?).

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Originally Posted by bobgodwin

Thanks. I'm not sure how to submit something to Koolexchange. I wouldn't know what to submit. And I'm not sure how to make a mp3 downloadable in flash. Maybe I'll look for some script to do that (unless someone already has one in mind. Tmoore?).

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Just put the mp3's in a folder on your server and PM the URL. As for Koolexchange, just zip the file and upload it. The MODs will dertermine if it will work.

I could even give you an mp3 player if you like as an example:
http://www.diversioncentral.com/cartoonmp3/blue2.html

PM the URL??? Prime Minister? No. Post Mortem? No. Prime Meridian? I doubt it. Play Movie? Umm ... Guess I'm showing my ignorance here. Not sure what you mean. But I will take the groovy little player. I have a bunch, but you can never have enough examples eh. And any suggestions on what I should submit to KoolExchange. Most of my stuff is pretty basic, they look more elaborate then they are (Well, the record player has some neat stuff in it, I guess).

I'm guessing that PM = Personal Message.
So, "Send the URL to the moderator via PM"?



And I agree--nothing is ever too simple because new users are arriving every day and many of us stay at the simple level for a long, long time. In my case, years! So I liked your player because it was so basic. Once someone sees your "brute force" method, they might better appreciate the AS (Actionscript) solutions out there.

Sorry about what I said. It was a hint that i like the music and If I had the mp3's I could burn them and play them on my Bose radio when I am at work or at the bar-b-qee.

The Mod remark is if you do have a template of a site that you made, submit it at koolexchange and if it does not work right, the moderators will help.

You said nothing wrong. I'd be happy to let people download these songs, and I'm glad you like them. I was wondering if there was a way to make a download link in KoolMoves, one you could click on to start the .mp3 download.

And "Brute Force"? There's a bit o' scriptin' in them thar shockwave files. :)

I would zip them and make a button to the url such as
"http://www.mysite.com/mp3/music.zip">

If you use the following it will depend on the users setup. Mine plays automaticly with quicktime.
"http://www.mysite.com/mp3/music.mp3">

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Originally Posted by bobgodwin

These are all flash sites done in KoolMoves. KoolMoves is a great program that, with a little work (and a LOT of help from the great people at these fourms :) ), you can do 'bout anything with. Here are the all KoolMoves sites I have online:


pamelafisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com - advertising
howardglazer.com
tlkiddbuilder.com
harris-homes.com
feliciansisters.org - vocations
My Music Site

You can do alot with this puppy!

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Cant't forget my record player with the "almost" working volume knob.
Record Player

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Nice webpages...

No offence Bob, but u seem to have all the programing and flash knowligde (spelling?!?!?!), but the design of all your pages are very ugly. Look at other webdesign pages. Try do something unique and with nice design. Maybe use 3d? Ad more graphics. I would by a webpage from a webdesignpage that looked really cool and flashy. This is not hate talk, it's only some advices :)

take care

/Xzerox

Eye of the beholder my friend. Some of the designs are mine, some are the client's designs. When I design a site, I do what 's (In my mind) called for. When a client desings the site, I try to best render it for the web, and pointing out things that my not work so well. Look at the clients. A religious order, a industrial construction & management company, a custom home builder, a remodeling site, a serious art site. Not exactly "flashy" kinda sites. Some people think some of my sites are TOO flashy. Again, eye of the beholder. I can do flashy, but I'm not sure what your idea of flashy is. I suppose I could could make a site resembling the Los Vegas strip at night or a saturday afternoon used car sale (it would be a lot of fun in fact), but I haven't had much call for it. And I do look at other web sites. Thousands of 'um. Not much in the way of "flashy" out there. And not much design either.

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Eye of the beholder my friend. Some of the designs are mine, some are the client's designs. When I design a site, I do what 's (In my mind) called for. When a client desings the site, I try to best render it for the web, and pointing out things that my not work so well. Look at the clients. A religious order, a industrial construction & management company, a custom home builder, a remodeling site, a serious art site. Not exactly "flashy" kinda sites. Some people think some of my sites are TOO flashy. Again, eye of the beholder. I can do flashy, but I'm not sure what your idea of flashy is. I suppose I could could make a site resembling the Los Vegas strip at night or a saturday afternoon used car sale (it would be a lot of fun in fact), but I haven't had much call for it. And I do look at other web sites. Thousands of 'um. Not much in the way of "flashy" out there. And not much design either.

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l'll get our point Bob...

This is my idéa of a "flashy" page.

My latest one:

www.vmgcomputers.com/cicero/main.html

THAT's "flashy". And how, exactly, is that any flashier than some of mine? I mean really, did you even look at some of mine? The first one, bright pink, letters thrown out of a opening purse, animation that plays on the site name, another with dancin' tools, another with a T.V. slideshow. Even the Sister's site is, in my opinion, flashier. And I got flashing, glowing tubes (with friggin' laser beams on their heads :) ) on one site. I like your site 'cause it's simple. I would call it bold as opposed to flashy (I've been posting from my sister's house the last couple of days. When I get home, I'll see if I can find some sites I like that are "over-the-top" flashy). I do have some question's and a comment or two though:
1. How big is your .swf (Mostly, the images inside it)? It loads fairly slow on my sister's cable broadband connection. How will it load at 56k (Still more than half the world, I would think)?
2.Not a lot of real estate for content. Your content area is less than a quarter of the whole site.
3.What kind of text content are you going to run in the text box? You may be limited on what will work in there.
(And a side note. You need to add the active content ie fix script from KoolMoves.)

Again, this is mostly "eye of the beholder" stuff. My opinion of "flashy" as opposed to yours. And you know what they say about opinions.

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Originally Posted by bobgodwin

These are all flash sites done in KoolMoves. KoolMoves is a great program that, with a little work (and a LOT of help from the great people at these fourms :) ), you can do 'bout anything with. Here are the all KoolMoves sites I have online:


pamelafisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com
frankjamesfisher.com - advertising
howardglazer.com
tlkiddbuilder.com
harris-homes.com
feliciansisters.org - vocations
My Music Site

You can do alot with this puppy!

[EDIT]
Cant't forget my record player with the "almost" working volume knob.
Record Player

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Great sites Bob, extremely well designed

Thank You.

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Originally Posted by bobgodwin

THAT's "flashy". And how, exactly, is that any flashier than some of mine? I mean really, did you even look at some of mine? The first one, bright pink, letters thrown out of a opening purse, animation that plays on the site name, another with dancin' tools, another with a T.V. slideshow. Even the Sister's site is, in my opinion, flashier. And I got flashing, glowing tubes (with friggin' laser beams on their heads :) ) on one site. I like your site 'cause it's simple. I would call it bold as opposed to flashy (I've been posting from my sister's house the last couple of days. When I get home, I'll see if I can find some sites I like that are "over-the-top" flashy). I do have some question's and a comment or two though:
1. How big is your .swf (Mostly, the images inside it)? It loads fairly slow on my sister's cable broadband connection. How will it load at 56k (Still more than half the world, I would think)?
2.Not a lot of real estate for content. Your content area is less than a quarter of the whole site.
3.What kind of text content are you going to run in the text box? You may be limited on what will work in there.
(And a side note. You need to add the active content ie fix script from KoolMoves.)

Again, this is mostly "eye of the beholder" stuff. My opinion of "flashy" as opposed to yours. And you know what they say about opinions.

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Well your pages are flashy right but i don't think they have professinal look. No offence this is only my opinion :).

Well i can see that u have worked with the effects nice but it does not look pro. Ad more graphics for example.

My website is simple and has a small text area i know that. I've made it so because i wan't to. I think that a good webiste should be simple with nice gfx and nice layout. I don't need to have so much text so i didn't create a huge textfiled.

I can see some potential on your websites but u have to work more with layout and design.


Hope you wasn't offended, that wasn't my meaning :)

xzeox you might consider carefully claiming someones work is not professional looking when you have a site which has many non working buttons, is hosted on a free hosting and is not on the page completely but cut off. And didn't I see this site as a Template somewhere before?

I'm not saying you are not entitled to an opinion but you offered your site as an example of professional site and I think it is FAR from that. I don't think all of Bob's sites are the worlds greatest sites but they all seem to be complete and working. Several of them I think are very well done. And since his clients were willing to pay for them that by default makes them professional at some level.

Constructive critisism is allways a good thing but to simply tell someone that their work is not good. Or that they should add more graphics is well kinda petty and certainly not worth you saying it twice. I would imagine Bob would take offense.

I couldn't of put it better than Blanius did. I disagree with everything xzerox_xzerox say's (Judging by your last post, you didn't look at all of them the first time you posted, did you?). I get email all the time from people who visit my sites saying how much they like them. More so, I get clients who refer me to others, who PAY me to do there's. I like my sites. The "eye of the beholders" I care about. I've had over 20 web sites online. How many web sites do you have published? None? Do you really think your sites look good? My guess is most people wouldn't, but that's not the point of these fourms. What your web sites DON'T do is work, and that's why we're all here. To help each other out, not make stupid, unfounded remarks. I put these up for people to see what you can do with KoolMoves. So to anybody else out there (with some taste), you CAN make GOOD LOOKING, PROFESSIONAL web sites with KoolMoves.

blanius by webpages are not proffesional... not at all... :D It wasn't my meaning to offend anybody...

Im sorry!

by the way bob... my webpages do not look like **** beacuse i gets very nice feedback for them...

Gentlemen, please, perhaps a few words from a pro may help resolve your dispute.
Your quite right in that it is in the eye of the beholder, and you need to consider your target market, nautrally a site for young peoples music would have a diferent theme from a site featuring bonzi trees, where the anticipated audience is likley to be older.
Secondly, the client is always right, even when most of them have no idea at all, they are still right, however part of you skill as a designer is to be able to sell your ideas in place of theirs.
Finally it is not always a good reason to do something just because you can, what I mean by this is it is easy to show off with the latest trick you have learned, however it is only wise when appropreate to the project. How many silly bits of java have you seen on sites with modified cursers, daft music, scrolling text that does nothing but annoy. The real tallent is not only undersatnding how to do the trick, the more difficult trick is to know when to perform it. Try looking at the site check thread, and if you see a sight that feels good to you, emulate it, if it has the opposite effect, remember not to make the same mistake yourself.
Finally, if we were all the same and liked the same things it would be a damned boring place.

Hope this helps

"Secondly, the client is always right, even when most of them have no idea at all, they are still right, however part of you skill as a designer is to be able to sell your ideas in place of theirs."

i completly agree with that. www.jlcentre.yoyo.pl -> this is my last project. I dont like this site - there is so many graphics, its not simple etc. but i had to do it like it is now. it doesnt look pro, becasue friend wanted to site be like it is...

but ill give you example which all of us should know - wrappaper template. i love it. I like it so much, that ive put my folio on it (www.mroofka-z.yoyo.pl - chceck out my photos in info :) ). This is a template, but it is just perfect (IMHO) - i wouldnt make site better than this - maybe ive got skills, but im not talented.

btt: bob's sites are different - i dont like this with player, it doesnt look like a finished site but i like the page with pursues (excluding this red/pink color, yuck). I dont like the grazler's background, but i like the lamps... so let me say, as a side observer, that 3/4 of each site is pro. the rest may belong to client :)

Sorry I just felt I had to take him to task, Bob showed some decent looking work to share and the comments looked pretty harsh especially when his site is what it is. I suppose I should have held my tounge (keys) and taken into account that he's probably very young and not experienced with mature criticism.

Actually, I did write a reply, but decided not to post it. I've been doin' this for over ten years now, I know you're not going to please everyone (Thank God). I don't critique someones work unless I'm asked, usually. There are infinite ways to approach design. I doubt Neo-Punk-Gothic style would be my choice for the Sister's site, but somewhere out there, there may be a nun saying, "We need to attract the young. Maybe a Neo-Punk-Gothic style web site will do the trick!". And I'd do my best to pull it off. The Ad agency/Design firm I worked at would give me a photoshop file and say,"Do this", and I'd do it (Boy did this forum come in handy then, boy howdy. Thanks again for all the help). I would watch the site go through dozens (Sometimes what seemed like thousands) of changes as it went through the chain of command of who ever we were working for. Some would have no resemblance to the original idea. Some were better, some weren't (Again in my opinion). So style and design are pretty subjective. Ant_z doesn't like the pink on the purse site. I'm not too crazy about it myself, but I think it works for the clientèle it draws (I rotate it with a gold themed site, as a matter of fact. I'll throw that one up for a while. Thanks for reminding me). That was the first all flash site I ever built (See above thanks). It HAD to have SOME animation :yikes: . Howard's site was designed to look like the CD that came out at the time. The background sold the site to everyone, especially the record company. But I could do a much cleaner looking one without it (Can't wait for the next CD to come out. It's do a make over). I want to re-design all my sites as soon as they go up. Then do it again. Sometimes it's knowing when to quit that makes a pro. Sometimes it takes a carnival, sometimes a haiku poem.

I'm not sure which player your talkin' about ant (can I call you ant, or do you prefer ant_z?), but the record player was an example of a project I ( And a large part of this forum) did. It's an example link. I'm still having trouble with the blasted volume knob, but it's close. And I like both the sites.

And xzerox (May I call you xzerox , or do you prefer xzerox_xzerox?). I don't think your site looks like %#@& (I prefer comic book swearing). I never said that. And as far as being a pro, when someone hands you a wad of bills for doing their site, bingo, you're a pro.

Ok bob i see it now :) You could call me richard by the way. Xzerox is fune to :D

ant, ant_z, ant_Z, mroofka, mroofka_Z, or just dave - as you wish, just let me know its to me :]

" And as far as being a pro, when someone hands you a wad of bills for doing their site, bingo, you're a pro."
i wouldnt agree with that. pro is defined by style and knowledge, abilities and skills. Making designs somethimes is on the cilent side, so we shouldnt judge bob's proffesionalism over design of his sites, but over how are they made...
btw, without any asking - as some1 said before - we just shouldnt judge or critic any body.

"he's probably very young and not experienced with mature criticism."

i think im younger, and ill say that mature criticism is the best way to become a pro. Look on photoshop pictures - noobs' have cripsy edges for example, and pro's are antialiased. This is called at mines "profesjonalizm wykonania", i dont know how to translate it, but it would be like "proffessionalism of made of current work and how it works..."

Not sure where we are going with this, but I think we have consensus that it is in the eye of the beholder and has to be appropreate to the subjuct matter, if we all agree to that then it just comes down to personal preferance, and please remember the internet gives the business or organisation you represent a chance to create a personality in an unreal world, take a look at how insurance companies may market the same old stuff but with different 'flavours' of image to attract different markets. Where the real mistakes are made is when a business looks worse as a result of having a poor site than before it invested in one.

Stoke Laurie says "not sure were we are going with this" but i remember when this forum was to help people with their websites. Like if links did not work or if pics were blurry in firefox. The makers of a site had to worry if the customer was upset. And most important was if an idea could work. Not to be a crazy way of complaining of artistic value.

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help people with their websites..... Not to be a crazy way of complaining of artistic value.

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I think you will find that that is exactly what I have been saying. :thumbsup:

Well, it wasn't my intention to have a thread about artistic merit, but there you go. I personaly thought it to be a good thread. All the technical skill in the word is meaningless without some designing talent. And this thread ,to me, shows just how different people feel what constitutes good design. And why we design the way we do. This is not a bad thing. I was going to post about my experience with clients and "shockwave shock". but it has more to do with design than technique. Should we just end this thread then?

Well we have strayed far from Koolmoves and this is a Koolmoves support forum..

Well, I've seen threads stray alot farther than this. At least this one could be useful to people who use KoolMoves, or any web site building program. But whatever, shut it down if you like.

do what u like blanius... but i think this thred has gone a lil of topic :P

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do what u like blanius... but i think this thred has gone a lil of topic :P

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And how did that happen, Richard?

WOW, that record player is pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks. The files for it are here:
http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?t=657781

I'd still like to get the volume knob working better. And if I could get the arm to move across the record, THAT would be the cat's pajamas.