Seriously. A landmark happening for the US and not one thread?
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Seriously. A landmark happening for the US and not one thread?
Odd.
Odd indeed - very illogical.
...sorry, couldn't help it; read the "odd" in your post in Spock's voice...
I think it's been pretty much accepted he was the nominee for a while now, no? There really isn't much difference between yesterday and today except that instead of Clinton looking desperate for staying in, she now looks a more conniving for not immediately conceeding, trying to leverage her support into a VP slot and/or have continued donations ease her campaigns debt.
I'm going to go on record, and air out an opinion that's invariably going to be misunderstood immensely... and lord I want to be proven wrong.
40 Years after the death of MLK, we have an african-american... no, we have a black person running for president.
And not one post. CNN is eerily quiet. I don't like what this has become.
McCain will win it now. I see it by the way the media, and more importantly, the people are around this (actual) historic moment are reacting.
Obama is president? I thought the elections weren't until November or something.
Oh well, lets just hope Keifer Sutherland's wife and daughter isn't held hostage, or he'll die in about 4 years.
[edit] Ah, I see now that he's just nominated to be president. It's just, I haven't heard anything but Obama and Clinton for the last few months, so I thought it was between the two of them. I'm used to political parties supporting themselves and all backing a single nominee, not fighting against each other. Then again, I'm used to picking between more than 2 parties...
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He won the primary for nomination within his party.
Glad to see Eurotopian be picked up in slang though.
It's been on MSNBC and Digg. I think that Obama has a chance at the presidency. Personally i've lost all interest in this election. None of the candidates really excited me.
http://www.theobamafacts.com/
thats pretty much all i have to say about that.
"When Barack Obama is elected, Jack Bauer will finally be able to sleep."
Guess I'll have to bite at the misunderstanding...Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
As far as I can tell, the news seems to be as alive with the story as they have been over most of the primary news - and, as Clinton hasn't yet *officially* dropped out, he hasn't *officially* won. So we're really no different than we were Monday, where everyone but Clinton seems to know Obama is the guy, but just can't say so out loud. At this point it is all but a foregone conclusion, but until we get that concession speech, I think the media is going to hold off on the trumpets. Even then, it'll probably just launch straight into the swiftboating and slander without too much time to reflect on an historic event.
And what don't you like about what this has become? Speaking from purely a perspective of race-relations, isn't this exactly what we would like to eventually happen? A black man wins the nomination, and it isn't considered news worthy? We're obviously not at that point yet (unless, of course, you've been convinced for some time now that he was already the nominee) and a significant silence on that issue would seem to me as well, but I think the words 'historic' and 'pioneer' have been used in the coverage.
No chance in hell. I usually don't like to be so explicit in my predictions, but really, there is no way. McCain doesn't even command the loyalty of the rank-and-file repubs, is out of step with the neo-con hard core and the entire independant vote is breaking for Obama. Although you'll get no argument from me that the 'liberal' media is treating McCain with kid gloves, once you get these two side by side there's no contest.Quote:
McCain will win it now. I see it by the way the media, and more importantly, the people are around this (actual) historic moment are reacting.
We didn't have a thread about a whole load of things happening. I actually remember posting a thread about not having threads about important things. The fact that it doesn't have a thread (until now) shows that it's up there with the other big stories in the world as they didn't have threads either!
PS - It's the main headline on the news in the UK. At least the BBC anyway as I havn't caught the other news channels.
I was kind of surprised that there wasn't a thread when the Universal Studios backlot caught fire on Sunday. The CL has just been slow lately.
Ever thought because it's just not that uncommon? Because it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonsplace
I think because everything is on digg or another social site and whenever I(or anyone else) post a news article or something funny we just get "it was on digg" bleh bleh bleh...
Vote for Ron Paul!
Not one post here or not one post? I think you're reading too much into it.
What would the name of the thread be? "Omg Obama won."?
Raise your hand if you didn't know that.
What would we talk about that we haven't already covered?
Race. done. Sex. done. Party. done. Real Change. done.
Couple things.
I watched the Israel brown nosing this morning and watching Hillary follow Obama's speach gave me a sense of what a combined ticket would feel like. I didn't hate it.
They also bounced back and forth to McCain speaking.
He had the saddest of arguments by actually tring to say Obama's policies have failed. But he did have a point on experience. Had me for a second then went on about how he wants to increase the size of the army and lost me again.
Point is money is going get in the way of racism.
I'm pretty sure most americans (even the blind ones) have an association that war = expensive gas and that it will carry through to the voting booth.
Nope. Just surprised. Nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by jAQUAN
I *almost* used that one... damn.Quote:
What would the name of the thread be? "Omg Obama won."?
*reluctantly raises hand*Quote:
Raise your hand if you didn't know that.
Let's see... race? I love Schumacher. Sex... blow-ups and a forearm the size of Popeye's don't count any longer!? Party? I leave those threads to gshock now. He's the party-king.Quote:
What would we talk about that we haven't already covered?
Race. done. Sex. done. Party. done. Real Change. done.
Change? I switched to jambletan and not really missing the yellow.
Surprised... yep.
I almost (thought I did) start a thread on the topic of HRC for VP
She has concided nothing.
I'm excited that Obama won. I'm thankful he did.
But Hillary just can't let go, and based on her actions if she doesn't get the v.p spot you know she won't get behind Obama.
The last thing Obama needs is Hillary in the veep spot. I could easliy see her and bill challenging his decisions thru out his presidency.
As for McCain vs Obama did anyone notice how the polls shifted immediately after he had secured all the delegate votes.
Obama needs nothing from HRC to win the presidency.
I also thought it was an interesting diversion attempted by the pentagon
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,4675108.story
It took them how long to bring the person to trial? and of all the days to announce it. They chose to announce it when?
The battle over unifying the democratic party has just begun for Barrak Obama. There are a lot of pissed off Clintonians amongst the masses.
He has already said a lot of nice things about Clinton to try ease the strains.
The question is when is it enough and when is it too much. As far as I can see back over the last 5 months she and her surrogate (Bill) have gone out of thier way to spit on him.
Hopefully he can buy off there debt to shut them up and be rid of them.
Update
I stand corrected. She finally threw in the towel and is not expecting VP spot in return.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24974674/
Thank goodness
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I always get called racist for comments like the one I am about to make, but I assure you I am not.
Color has nothing to do with it, Obama is the better candidate.
and yes, I do realize the significance in the fact that a black man has finally been put into a position like this, but Obama is not the first capable person, just the first one smart enough to get there
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Originally Posted by alty29
I find the end of your comment racist. There are plenty of intelligent African Americans in politics with more then sufficient intelligence to handle the position of President.Quote:
and yes, I do realize the significance in the fact that a black man has finally been put into a position like this, but Obama is not the first capable person, just the first one smart enough to get there
That being said. Of the two Obama is much smarter then McCain.
Not to mention more self disciplined, younger, and having a greater sense of loyalty to all people and the constitution.
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Originally Posted by Frets
I think you took what I was saying wrong, I realize that there are an insanely large amount of people of every color capable of the office. I meant that Obama is the first person (of any color, including white) to get what seems like the majority of America to look past the color of skin. I feel like he almost has this attitude like, "Yeah, i'm black, what does that have to do with this.....". His speech in Philly really changed my....a lot.
I can't believe how long it took Hillary to concede...or should I say "decide" to concede, she still hasn't yet. She's like a child that won't go to bed. Lights out Hillary!
I'm behind Obama 100%. He's not perfect. He's a politician and thus will say whatever people want to hear. The whole "change you can believe in" mantra is a total joke... BUT he's a fresh face and that's what we need right now.
Not someone like McCain, who while different than Bush in many ways, will invariably end up becoming like him, using the same old tired talking points about Iraq in the months ahead in order to satisfy his republican base.
Obama will have to walk on eggshells though...one tiny slipup can derail his campaign, and he really needs to straighten out some of the stuff he's said re: sitting down with people like Ahmadinejad - that is just flat out stupid and shows a total lack of experience in foreign policy, it's just not done, whether you are a republican or democrat. He'll need to spin himself out of that one somehow because it will be a major issue during the debates.
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Originally Posted by Visionray
At first, I was very afraid about Obama and foreign policy, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought maybe he is exactly what we need. Maybe his inexperience will lead to a BETTER way of doing things. I think it is ultimately going to be optimism vs. experience.
Optimism wins.
All Obama has to do is stick with the facts.
It will be a landslide for Democrats in the House and the Senate. Even the RNC has stated this publicly.
However one thing that was noted on "Coundown" by Keith Olbermann
JFK was very hip and very charismatic. He barely beat Nixon.
Back in 2000 when mccain was an independent I was going to vote for him. But someone took him aside and told him to stfu for years and he'd be pres. Now I don't know who he is.
Obama would have plenty of advisers and always have his options clearly laid out. He's been a pretty good decision maker so far so I'm thinking he's got a pretty good chance.
I was surprised too. I thought someone would start one any second so I didn't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
I have had a similar experience, although I wouldn't have voted for him in '00. McCain was like Powell for me, one of the few well-known Repubs who wasn't off-his-rocker insane; would have much perferred him over Bush. But he has indeed whored his 'maveric' soul out for this nomination, and as much as you'll hear from him in the coming months that he's an 'agent of change' it's a bit hard to swallow when his voting record in 2008 is 100% in line with Bush's policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jAQUAN
From Americans that I have seen represented by the media in Britain, the majority have said that it doesn't matter who wins this, the next president will be McCain.
However, hat hasn't stopped the British media completely blanket covering the elections. For something that means so little to the average British person, they have overblown it out of proportion. Many newspapers had double page spreads on the topic for many months now and devoting tiny amounts to British politics. Our recent problems, such as tax bands and slipping house prices, have been pushed to the back and only brought forward now they are a problem - rather than a warning.
There was one stage, I think it was a month ago, where the BBC (British version) had more coverage of the election than CNN or the NYT.
On March 5th British MPs where voting whether or not to have a referendum on joining the EU treaty. This has serious consequences in Britain. But it was pushed back and hidden away on page 9 of the Guardian, and not even in the headlines of the BBC. The headlines were about Clinton winning Ohio.
I seriously do not get why - nor do I truly care - why UK and Germany, among other European countries cover our politics in such a horrible misinformed manner. It's like watching a children's show... as an adult. It's mildly amusing... somewhere in the deeper, more child-like recessions of your brain. Apply some adult logic and it hits you as just a bad attempt to make something that's not pertinent to you... somehow pertinent.
I've been there, and by the time I read what was typed, it was misconstrued in a manner to make it even objectively pertinent to (what I considered) an audience that honestly didn't care unless it was assassination or would affect their livelihoods... and with the British Pound Sterling going from (typically for years) a 1.4:1 to now a previously unseen 2.1:1 (or so) exchange rate, there's nothing we can do to regain that .6 exchange difference overnight... so why even cover it?
The coverage is usually missing a lot of pieces in its presentation anyway despite multiple past (and forthcoming) that the media in those markets are "fair and unbiased"... it's just an oddity that isn't reciprocated in the same percentages in regards to the overseas politicians; guaranteed.
Anyway... as it stands, McCain will end up winning simply because of states like West Virginia and that mindset - anglo-saxon first/last name, "experience", and the whole "stay the course" mentality because... well, as it was so simply stated to me last night, "Bush might not be an eloquent speaker, but he said what he'd do... and he did it. Disagree or agree, a man that says exactly what they're going to do and then does it comes off as trustworthy "enough" to continue to follow..." and despite having to dislike things that our foreign policy has done that I'd consider foolish, nor having a true liking for our present president... at a lower level I can see how that would stick in the mind of people that's heard one thing, dealt with the other...
"Read my lips..." (paraphrase) - George H. Bush
Yeah... that also stuck in people's heads too.
It will be interesting to be over in London for the elections.
I have to agree with you on the media asheep.
Now that the dust has settled a bit the news is remembering that there are crisis situations all over the world.
Bite your tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
I'm a little surprised this is the way this thread was started too.
I came on here expecting to see a "Finally!" or an "Obama FTW!" title. :yarr:
Guess as one of his supporters and a volunteer, I dropped the ball...
I'll just have to blame it on being home sick with the flu all week now.
Anyway, I forced myself to stay up with the wife in bed to watch his nomination speech.
I already felt like I was a part of historymaking, and finally knew what it must have been like for previous generations to watch the last truly inspirational leaders like MLK or the Kennedys, but then I looked over at my wife.
Here was a rightwing, evangelical, who voted for Bush even in spite of his first disasterous term..., and she was crying.
Man, that melted my heart right there.
"Hope" really is the best word to describe his campaign, because if he can touch her like that then maybe there's still hope for the rest of the Bushies too. ;)
Not sure why you think it was so quiet, Gerbs.
It seems like everywhere I turned last night the lead story was Obama with interviews of young black Americans, clips of MLK and RFK, and (until Hillary's campaign suspension was leaked) politicians and pundits discussing VP choices and Hillary's "demands".
I was a little relieved when the leak came, but I'll be really relieved if he picks someone else and she doesn't go all Joe Lieberman/Benedict Arnold/scorched earth on the party.
We'll just have to wait and see...
As for experience, he's got more than enough experience and accomplishments under his belt, and the whole "lack of experience" is just an empty talking point that gets repeated in the hopes that people will believe it without checking his record.
He's got foreign relations experience, he's traveled and met with leaders in the middle east, he's a member of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a member of the Environment and Public Works Committee which deals with our national infrastructure, and a member of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee trying to get better treatment for our soldiers who make it back home.
He's got a great record in bipartisanship and working across the aisle with the Republicans to get important legislation passed in areas like loose nukes, ethics and lobbyist reform, and government accountability and transparency, including bills that bear his and fellow Republicans' name like the Coburn-Obama, and Lugar-Obama bills, and he cosponsored immigration legislation with McCain that allowed undocumented workers who have been here over 5 years to stay and apply for citizenship only if they pay all back taxes, learn English, and have no criminal record.
This time we might actually get a president that knows how to be a "Uniter" instead of a "Divider" because as much as it pains me to say it, his record in the Senate shows he voted with Bush and the Republicans 40-50% of the time.
Now despite that one forgivable "weakness" ;) he's shown good judgement and been on the correct side of most of the issues that are import to the majority of Americans such as the Iraq war, minimum wage, children's healthcare, veteran's care, affordable education, alternative energy, climate change, tax cuts for the lower and middle class, America's infrastructure, job creation, the economy, and restoring foreign diplomacy and respect in the world for America again.
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, and just say pish-tosh to the naysayers and pessimists... and Gerbs,... go bite your tongue again for good measure :crazy: because our future depends on you being wrong. :D
I'm gonna go lay back down now, all this typing wore me out.
I disagree Gerbs
Unless We have a serious voter fraud going on and the Supreme Court decides the election Obama will be the next president of the United States.
As for McCain there are way to many holes in that one.
Claims to support the troops.
Infact slowed down the g-i bill and then didn't vote for it.
Claims that he would have told Bush to Go to New Orleans
Instead was too busy partying with Bush on his birthday.
Claims to be concerned with the ecology.
Believes that free market princilples are the only way to reduce global warming.
Claims he is a foe of lobbyists but even with the recent purging of staff he still has more lobbyists more current and former lobbyist fundraising bundlers than any other candidate ever.
Flipflopped on immigration.
Votes against MLK holiday not once but twice then tries to play makeup 20+ years later.
Whatever happens, this is one of the few times in recent memory where I have been proud of Americans.
i hope obama leaves mcain barrack and blue on his way to becoming the best president ever. Johnny boy should give up now, im sure the republicans are saying sweep the leg by playing the race card, but obama is about to crane kick his ass with his awesomeness.
Yes, i havnt got a god damned clue how politics work, but i want obama, im ready for change.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I don't understand where you are coming from seeing that I can read about Obama winning all over Google News, Digg even the WSJ is reporting about it and more then a few Blogs, not to mention all over the radio and people talking about it on the street, ie I'm in New York City and heard a number of people talking about it.
Personally I don't see McCain winning it, most Republicans (myself included) don't really care for the man and I don't see a lot of people getting off their @zz to vote for him come Election Day.
But to be honest, coming to Flashkit.com I did expect multiple threads on the whole thing.
^ We did. The issue is so good that we covered all the scenarios already. Half the reason I didn't start one was for fear of getting 'old'ed.
I just overheard McCain say, "It always darkest just before its completely black." Wtf does that mean!?
Imho, I'd prefer a true conservative constitutionalist elected. I'm a little concerned about where Obama would get the money to enact all his plans or if some of the people it would help even deserve it. Bottom line he couldn't do any worse in that area and he's perfect for the #1 issue. Global perspective.
America is the best place on earth, but we should realize it's lonely at the top.
Is America really the best place on earth though? Maybe parts of it but I could see wanting to live in other countries compared to some states here.
I'm still in the Southeast US. Trust me... the news here barely covered it. And the social response has been rather quiet.
Don't know about that one - talking with foreign leaders polls fairly well, so it isn't an unpopular position regardless of its wisdom. And at this point, a moderation in our approach to dealing with guys like him might be more benficial than our current cold-sholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
One other point about McCain that I don't hear discussed to much except in passing - he's 72. Average life expectancy in the us is about 76-78 according to a quick google search and the CDC website, which means if elected it is more than likely he'll die in office, especially if he becomes a 2-termer. Which means his VP pick should have almost as much weight as he does in the general.
Interesting to see McCain challenge Obama to 10 town-hall style debates; I'd think McCain would be crushed actually standing next to Obama...
McCain has more to gain from the townhall debates than Obama.
It's financially beneficial to McCain, who isn't going to be able to outspend Obama, by giving him free airtime and exposure he wouldn't otherwise have.
It's also going to allow McCain to spread that exposure around to states that he might otherwise be forced to skip on his advertising budget.
Considering McCain's and the RNC's bank balance right now, standing next to Obama is a risk he's willing... nay, forced to take.