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This makes me think about wanting to use my own fahrenheit I bought. I might even switch to using my TWO owl eyes I have(I was very lucky to nab two of them) since the weapons would be cheaper. Building a firefly/rustler deck with the owl eyes as support would be very nice if they were cheaper, especially if you got two of them out there, because you would be able to destroy a majority of creatures that way.
I have Owl Eyes and I play Nova-Firefly. To be honest it's not that super powerful... it costs as much as a Firefly Queen to place, and it costs 2 Air to snipe a creature... taking up all the Air quanta I get from my Mark.
The 5 damage per turn is nice, but because of the summoning/sniping costs and there being only 1 copy of the card, you can't rely on it for your creature control, you still have to use Thunderstorm/Freeze/Reverse Time.
If there were more card draw and/or tutoring effects, then rares would be a lot more useful.
what is a tutoring effect?
Finding a specific card. For example a card that lets you draw 5 cards, pick one to put in your hand, and the rest go on the bottom of your deck.
Right now the only card that lets you "burn" through your deck to find something is the Hourglass... which doesn't seem to be worth it, I don't see any top 50 decks using it.
PS - Samura I dunno if your new Time/Burning Pillar deck is the one that's supposed to beat Nova but I just scored a Mastery win against it :P
Flying weapon gogogo?Quote:
Originally Posted by -Manwe-
right thx for explaining. I have not played magic or any other card games extensively so I don't know the jargon. I would love to see more cards where the playing strategy was more flexible. the only drawback I see is the AI would have a much harder time dealing with it and would probably be weaker as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Manwe-
I did find the time deck to be pretty good. In my tinkering (with the eternity weapon) it could keep up with the nova strategies. The only reason I chose not to keep playing it is it was really slow to play. It took some thought in deck design though because getting the right balance between reverse times, pillars and hourglasses was quite delicate. It works really well with aether too. A few immortal dragons are a game winner almost for sure.
I think if the nova card gets sufficiently nerfed it's going to open up the game to a lot of other strategies.
zanzarino...
thx a lot for the roll back but,
i lost many cards... these included the rare card :(
i cant rememer exactly what is the name of the card but if u need to know ill let u know can u do anything about this?
The reason those are needed in MTG and not so much in Elements is the deck composition. MTG the best you can do is 4 of one card in a deck of 60 -- 6% of the deck is that card, significantly lower odds of finding it initially. In elements you have a deck of 30 and can have up to 6, so a whopping 20% of the deck is that card. You're likely to get any combo you possibly want within the first 10-12 cards, and even simply drawing it in the first 8 is realistic. So the top decks don't use the hourglass because they just don't need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Manwe-
Given the card ratio, if there were simply a more reliable way to get enough rares to fill your deck to the limit of them then they would be more useful.
This is a list of the current rare cards, thanks to all who helped compiling it.
Arctic squid cost: 3 water, damage: 1, health: 2, special: 3 water to freeze target.
Arsenic cost: 3 death, damage: 2, special: 1 poison (poison is cumulative).
Druidic Staff cost: 5 life, damage 2, Special: heal up to 3 hp.
Eternity cost: 5 time, damage 4, special: 3 time to return target creature to owner's deck.
Fahrenheit cost 5 fire, damage: 4+x, special: extra damage, x is numer of fire quanta divided by 5
Lobotomizer cost: 4 aether, damage: 5, special: 3 aether to remove the special ability from target creature.
Morning Star cost: 7 light, damage: 7, special: cannot be stolen or destroyed.
Owl's Eye cost: 5 wind, damage: 5, special: 2 wind to deal 3 damage to target creature.
Pulverizer cost: 5 earth, damage 5, special: 3 gravity to destroy target permanent
Trident cost:3 water (but says aether on card), damage: 4, special: 3 earth to destroy up to 3 pillars in a stack
Vampire Stilletto cost: 3 darkness, damage: 2, special: return damage done as healing
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@kethaq
Yes, Arctic squid cost: 3 water
Pulverizer I think is gravity...
That actually sounds like a very interesting effect... might fit as an Aether or Entropy card, or another Time card.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Manwe-
Also, possibly one where you draw 2 or 3 cards, keep one, and discard the others; I think that would fit very well as an Entropy card.
Edit: Possibly also an Entropy card that draws a random card from your deck (not necessarily from the top), and a Death or Darkness card that makes your opponent discard a card from their hand, or that makes them discard the top card from their deck?
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Originally Posted by DragonBlood87
I'm not sure the first two would fit as enthropy, more likely Aether, considering they aren't random.
Isnt the reason you got reset is because you have 3 high scores and were cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by ziter
First off, I love this game - it is fantastically awesome! Keep up the good work Zanzarino! I also have quite a few suggestions...
1. I think that it would be a great idea to have some way of trading rare cards with other players. Therefore if you win a rare card (which isn't all that easy to do)and it happens to be a type you don't use, you could trade it for a card of a type you do use.
2. It would be nice to have the players element on the highscores list.
3. Pillars with more than one element. It seems like its either all 12 or 1 at the moment.
4. I'd like to see some cards that could destroy cards of another player's deck in an attempt to win by making them run out of cards.
5. Some cards with affects based on the number of creatures you have in play would be cool.
6. How about a 40/40 creature that costs 15 quanta of every element.
7. Some tweaks need to be done to the vampire stilletto - not effective enough for it's price and the fact that it's a rare card.
8. I think it would be nice to somehow win rare cards - either by getting a certain ranking, getting a certain score, or by charging a very high price (at least over 10,000 electrons, perhaps a minimum number of buys).
9. Also, something either needs to be reworded or it simply isn't working correctly. The card Reverse Time says "return to the creature owner's hand", but if you use Parallel Universe on another player's card it gets returned to your hand, not theirs.
10. I only have to win one more type of card before my tray is full on the bottom. I am kind of worried about what will happen when this occurs. Will I not be able to win a new type of rare card if my tray is full? If I can't, then the tray area needs to be expanded.
11. My last suggestion is actually wrapped with a question for Zanzarino. I would like to know if you could change my name to Levethix (from Levethix19)? I made a Levethix account originally, but found out after one or two matches that I really wanted to go with fire and not light. So I made a new account. I think it would be nice to allow new player's one free change of element, thus resetting all the player's stats, cards etc. to zero, and giving them the basic 40 card deck for that element. Again this would be a one time thing, but you don't even get to see the cards, and obviously don't even know how the game is played when you are originally picking your element at the beginning.:):)
disaru, watch ur mouth....
sometime the server is error or something im not sure......
u know, when ur playing u keep submitting ur high score then it just appear that i hav 3 high score on the chart
if i cheat i would get banned...zanzarino wouldnt roll back for me
lol i was just repeating someone's accusation earlier on, chill out :P maybe zanz rollbacked your account because he forgot he reset your stats, i dont know why your stats reset specificallyQuote:
Originally Posted by ziter
Ah, you might mean my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
I pointed it out but I was pretty sure he wasn't cheating since a couple other people had their score submitted more than once. I hope my post didn't come across as being an accusation.
Makes perfect sense to me. I don't see why you don't understand.Quote:
9. Also, something either needs to be reworded or it simply isn't working correctly. The card Reverse Time says "return to the creature owner's hand", but if you use Parallel Universe on another player's card it gets returned to your hand, not theirs.
Yeah... on second thought I may have been thinking about this one incorrectly. I was thinking since you made a copy of the creature, that you personally didn't own the creature. But since the creature is technically in your possession after you make the copy, I guess the card works as written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumquaticus
No worries there. I have more card types than fit in the display. In fact I can only see half my time cards, and none of my darkness or aether cards when I display all card types. It just means I need to display the cards by individual elements to use them. no big dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Levethix
Thank you for quelling my fears!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by kethaq
I'm curious what people are getting for rares. I have a Trident, Owl's Eye, Arsenic, Lobotomizer, two Vampire Stillettos(bah!), and three Fahrenheits. What are the rest of you guys getting?
Dude thats a lot of rares. I only have a artic squid, 2 owl eyes, and a fahrenheit.Quote:
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What is thetrident?Quote:
Originally Posted by Levethix
I have eternity, owls eye ( seems to be fairly easy to get), druidic staff, and vampire stilletto.
Oh man...I vaguely recall the trident from when the rares were available in the beta. But I don't recall its stats at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by kethaq
My playing has kinda tapered off since I decided to wait for the next patch (It sounds interesting) so all I've got for rares is a vampire stiletto, fahrenheit, and morning star.
Aww... I have only 2 rare weapons :S .. I think is because I mainly only play pvp
1 Fahrenheit
1 Owl's Eye
I had gain 1 Devonian Dragon when he was rare, and I gain and bought a few arctic squids when they was not rare
@ kethaq
Pulverizer : cost: 5 earth, damage: 5, special: 3 gravity - shatter the target permanent.
Ah, then Trident must be the one that destroys up to 3 pillars in a pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Samura-
The Trident actually has a misprint - it says it costs three aether, but it actually costs three water, it deals four damage per turn, and has the ability to destroy three pillars in the target cluster for three earth. I noticed someone put this effect for the pulverizer, but the pulverizer actually destroys one target permanent of any kind, its like a deflagration you can use every turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by kethaq
I did not even realize that the arctic squid is a rare card now. You used to be able to buy it from the bazaar for 98 electrons. I feel so stupid, if had done what you did by buying six of everything, I'd have six more rare cards now. See you later, I'm going to go buy six of everything now.
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Thanks for the comments and input. I updated the list of rares. it is on page 21Quote:
Originally Posted by -Samura-
:o you guys have so many rares. I only have two Fahrenheits, but I suppose that's because 80% of my score was from version 0.3. I haven't played that much recently.
Offtopic: I think the game hates me :(. Every time I get the chance to versus my own deck, I end up being Nova-less for the entire game. I don't even get the chance to fight back D:! Haha.
If it was during the beta, that was because he opened all rares for sale then - buying it up wouldn't have helped you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levethix
hmm.. no.... Arctic Squid was not rare before the beta-V0.4 .. I remember that very well because when it was V0.3 there was no water Dragon on sale (nor on rare, as far as I know...) - like Aether ... and like Aether that had the Immortal instead of a Dragon, water had Arctic SquidQuote:
Originally Posted by Bianary
@kethaq
Fahrenheit cost: 5 fire, damage: 4 + x, special: extra damage, x is numer of fire quanta diveded by 5
That's a shame... I was sure you'd have at least a dozen. Of course, I think that Zanzarino should award you one for your crazy score anyway. I don't think it's because you mainly play pvp though, because I've won all my rares, but one of the Fahrenheits, in pvp.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Samura-
oh.. lol.. thx you are too kind .. but my score was mainly build before V0.4, (28k of them..) .. and on V0.3 there weren't much rares circulating in pvp .. mainly ppl could only got rares on the 0-3 lvls ... only days ago zanzarino opened a TheElements deck on pvp - and that time I spent a lot of my games trying to make a non-Nova anti-Nova deck work .. my fault ! .. and now i think the TheElements deck is not on pvp anymore :\ ... aww..Quote:
Originally Posted by Levethix
anyway, i think, looking at others ... you got a lucky strike on getting those rares :) congrats :)
EDIT: YaY! just won a Lobotomizer! I guess was against your deck? (ah..don't remember ..)
Awesome!:) I wouldn't be surprised if it was my deck because I just won another one... by beating my own deck. So I have two in my deck now.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Samura-
I really wish that we could trade them, because I would definitely trade some of mine for it. That is, if you wanted something different.
Hi guys, finally decided to register to give some feedback. Making a deck without Nova feels completely useless most of the time. Even the fastest firefly or poison decks or even phase shield decks fall easily. The only way I lose is if I don't get my first nova. Once I get one, its pretty much over.
Below is the 30 card deck I have setup. Using Fireflys for white to push out the blessings and then crowd control freeze/RTs, and finally a touch of deflag and then parallel unis. I can usually get 3 12/12 lychs out in 2-3 rounds unless I hit a deck that is similar to my own.
MARK = AETHER
Lycanthrope x4
Nova x 6
Poison x 3
Deflagration x 2
Freeze x 3
Blessing x 3
Firefly x 2
Reverse Time x 4
Parallel Universe x 3
grats on a very well done game though, look forward to a little bit more balancing, not sure off the top of my head what would make nova better besides just removing it completely.
thinking about it a bit more what if it had a semi-random effect to play NOVA, it is entropy after all
>>still gives 2 of each quantum, 50% chance to cost 3 life/50% chance to poison self for 3 life
this way decks that try to start fast with 2-3 NOVAs have a chance to poison themselves for 6-9
Hi, I just wanted to say the I'm 100% behind some changes to Nova. The game could be so much more than first turn Nova lycans and poisons. :D Im looking forward to trying out what ever comes down.
@ Zan Hi I have been playing the game for a couple days and am addicted to it! I was actually suprised how well the game was constructed. I would like to see alot more cards so different strategies are implemented. I would like to see a creature that removes a poision status for energy cost. I would also like to see a change to nova. I dont hate the card because it allows for multi-colored decks but since it is an entropy card it should be more random or cost the player more energy/life to use.
@ Levethix I just got morning star and used it pretty often before my brother used my account and changed it from air to aether. The fireflies gave out enough light to use it everytime it popped up. I also had a feirenhiet but I sold it not knowing what it was in the begining of the game.
@ shattari I just beat your deck today using lightning and phasing out. But only had 1 hit point left when I won, haha. Then I won a grabloid off of you.
Graboids! Get your red hot shattari fried Graboids! lol The way I play that deck works much better than how the AI uses it. What I do is get like 3 or so graboids burrowed down and then save up enough for 3 or so copy spells. Then all in one turn I spend the mana to turn them into shreekers and copy them so that like 6 or 9 or what ever shriekers go off all at once and the AI does not have a chance to fireball/revers time/freeze/eat/lighting them.
Yeah I know the deck can be played better. I just got lucky beating it really. Even when the AI played it was pretty hard. I had like 4 shriekers on me before I knew what hit me.