Elements. Fantasy cards game

A solution to the rare crisis might be to make PVP be more then just the top 50. if it were top 150 then the chance of getting the one messed up deck is reduced by a factor 3.

I think limiting the rares to 2 in a deck would also help a lot.

It might be possible to have a used counter on rares, so a deck could be played against only so many times, before the rares stop being given out by it. If a rare is chosen by the spinner it gets a counter incremented, if that counter exceeds a certain value then it becomes un-give-able, if the spinner chooses that card it just spins again. all the rigged decks would give out would be pillars after some number of rounds.

just a thought
Polygot.

@zanzarino

any thoughts on my previous suggestions?

I am still here, but sometime I also have to work on jobs that are actually paid :) unlike elements... I have weaknesses too, like the need to eat and pay the rent.

Anyway...
Of course rare cards are fun and balanced only if they are rare; "rare" meaning hard to get; "hard to get" meaning how it was before a few people decided to find a way to distribute rares to anyone because... it was too hard... I can not buy it, the chances to get those card is insanely low... well. Rare cards have been the subject of harsh comments since the beginnings of elements, I am just letting people enjoy abundance of rare cards for a while, before I put things back to the way it was before.

With the new patch when a deck is composed mostly of pillars, the slot machine will also give pillars as a prize, this should take care of the pillars+rares decks.

About all the rares that are out there right now... I don't know. Any suggestion? I'll probably have to turn them into common cards, because it is what they are right now: reduce the stats, increase the cost and change the name, so that the "owl's eye" will be turned into a "bow", damage 2, cost 5, sniper cost 3.... or just delete all of them... going back through 70,000 decks trying to determine which rare was earned and which one was not is just unfeasible.

Sadly, for a couple of days I can not take care of this, when I'll be back the plan is:
- Fix the rares that are not rare anymore
- Add the new cards
- Back to developing the pvp system

Thank you for the comments and the concerns, rest assured that I read all of them, even if I am not answering all the times.

P.S. :
I am going to copy and paste some of the comments about the rare cards from different portals, so you can have a laugh at it while I am working on fixing things:

I'll describe this game in one word- RETARDED. IT is EXTREMELY one sided for the opponent, you can't get hardly any cards except for those crap cards, JUST TERRIBLE. 1/5

I keep replaying hoping to see improvements, but it's the same grind - now with imbalanced weapons that you have little to no chance of getting.

um.....

it's been a while since my account got resetted,

i dont know what cause this but....

well since no one can help me roll back or do something about it...

i may hav to quit this game

thanks for the previous help zanzarino

Haha at the rare cards comments zanzarino. I think a good option would be to just delete all the abused rares out there and then make it so people have to earn them again(I know this would be tought for those of us who worked hard to get our rares legit, but I think its a good sacrifice to help bring fun back to the game). I still think that Ragorak2should be banned for what he did and anyone else who tries to exploit that in the fiture should be banned as well.

This sucks. I have played over 700 games in the last 3 weeks or so and I have a total of only 5 rares (2 owl, 1 druid, 1 vampire, and 1 morning star) playing a good combination of lvl 3 and 4.

I would be pissed if all the rares are just deleted or downgraded for everyone just because a couple retards screwed the game over... BUT I agree it needs to be fixed.

So, why not just delete ALL rares, then assign a random rare to everyone for every 150 games they played. So, I would get my 5 back, at random, and everyone would get the same ratio.

Fairest and easiest way... imho, without having to go through 70k accounts.

Or just delete any rare over 2 or 3 in a persons account.

bigiowa22 I'm not talking about all the rares being dleted only the ones that were exploited which was only 2 so far, the Owl eyes and the Morning Star. You'd get to keep the rest of your rares while the ones that were affected are reset (I'll be losing like 8 rares from this so I know how painful its going to be).

@DarkGate, I think others rares was given out the same way too .. like vampire stiletto .. I don't think it would be possible to anyone get like 8 vampire stilettos without this given rares floating around, also no ones know if ragorak2 was the only account doing that, also it is impossible to know for each one of the accounts if some rare in cause was given that way or not.

If the spinning process changes like zanzarino said, then I agree with bigiowa22 that deleting and roll back randomly all the rares 1 per 150 won games would be a way of even things out without to have to downgrade rares

(@bigiowa22, I don't agree that a solution will be deleting any rare over 2-3 because we really don't know how many different rares ragorak2 or others possible spam-rare accounts was actually given)

In the meanwhile I like the way zanzarino is turning the crisis in to an somewhat experimental abundance of rares..

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Rare cards have been the subject of harsh comments since the beginnings of elements, I am just letting people enjoy abundance of rare cards for a while, before I put things back to the way it was before.

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.. I mean, with this abundance of rares we can see very nicely the balance issues it can arrive when the game got older (which at that age many will have a lot of "legit" rares)

.. I can say that, when I saw those spawning Owl's everywhere I got crazy in setting a good counter deck (countering 6 Owl's is not easy .. but is possible..) .. i think I lose like 100-150 games on trying a way to defeat the Owl's decks AND the Fire decks AND the Aether-Dragon-copy decks without being one of them ... Gravity Shield is good against the first (because AI don't hit on his own Owl's to pass .. Gravity Shield is good against MorningStar too ..) Gravity Shield + gravity Dragons can somewhat hit the 1st and the 2nd and if you add Aether-Mark with those instant 5 damage plus some Oytugs you maybe can give away the 3rd type too .... after I gain Owl's I concluded that putting 6 Owl's on a 30-card-deck and relying mainly on them doesn't work properly... because of time reversal, freezes, Gravity-shields, direct damage, mutation, etc.. for vampire stiletto even worse because of the waisted blessings after a mutation or a reverse time...
ok.. now you could think ... "ah.. but i have a 6 miracles + 6 morning stars deck" - imo it will not work - Dimensional Shield and/or Gravity Shield , and other cards to do damage or a simply long deck of 41 cards will win by discard

so my conclusion (until now) is that the rares are doing accordingly to what a rare card are supposed to do on a deck - putting 1-4 of the same rare you got a strong deck, more than that is a waist if you are against a good deck - so I think is not so unbalanced after all...

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Life: Empathic Bond, permanent (maybe you guys can come up with a better name); when Empathic Bond is in play every creature you control heals you for 1HP per turn. It is not much, but useful if you have a many creatures in play and can be used together with a shield

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That sounds like it would be incredibly strong with a Firefly/Rustler deck. You could have up to 6 of those out at a time, healing you for 6x the max number of creatures (potentially) each turn. You'd be basically invincible, except for the possibility of running out of cards. :O

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Death: Bone wall, it starts with 10 charges, every charge blocks one attack from a creature/weapon. When all the charges are consumed the bone wall is destroyed. Every time a creature is killed the bone wall regenerates, gaining back 3 charges. It will be very effective against a few big creatures, quite useless against many little creatures.

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Question: Will it be possible for it to gain more than 10 charges? For example, if you were playing against a Firefly/Rustler deck or a Skeleton deck and played a Bone Wall followed by a Firestorm?

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Originally Posted by kethaq

I disagree that the new disipation sheild will be weak. It was not made clear if the sheild consumes all kinds of quanta or just entropy, but if it consumes all types, then if I have 10 quantum pillars out that would be the same as getting 30 pints of healing per turn. with no recurring cost. now that would be powerful.

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But there is a recurring cost... if you would be taking 30 damage per turn, it would be costing you 30 quantums per turn.

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Originally Posted by Disaru

I can't see how you could summon enough creatures for this to have some benefit. Even once you summon 10 creatures, that's probably endgame where you or your opponent is about to die anyways. Maybe ALL creatures on the field, including your opponents., would make this shield better.

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Two words: Phase Shield.
I've seen some games drag out very long when both I and my opponent were using a lot of Phase Shields. >_<

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Originally Posted by polyglot

A solution to the rare crisis might be to make PVP be more then just the top 50. if it were top 150 then the chance of getting the one messed up deck is reduced by a factor 3.

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That sounds like a good idea. Top 150 or Top 200 would definitely open up the "PvP" mode to a lot more player's decks, too, which would hopefully improve the variety even more. :)

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Originally Posted by polyglot

I think limiting the rares to 2 in a deck would also help a lot.

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I could see good points and bad points for both a limit of 2 and a limit of 3; either way, though, there really does need to be some restriction on the number of rares (possibly even a limit on total rares in the deck, too?), or else the decks that have a lot of rares tend to do very well against the decks that don't. =/

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Originally Posted by polyglot

It might be possible to have a used counter on rares, so a deck could be played against only so many times, before the rares stop being given out by it. If a rare is chosen by the spinner it gets a counter incremented, if that counter exceeds a certain value then it becomes un-give-able, if the spinner chooses that card it just spins again. all the rigged decks would give out would be pillars after some number of rounds.

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Sounds like that might be another good idea, although I think -Samura-'s idea about the spinner would work better overall. It would still be something to keep in mind, although it would need to be a daily or weekly limit.

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Originally Posted by -Samura-

so my conclusion (until now) is that the rares are doing accordingly to what a rare card are supposed to do on a deck - putting 1-4 of the same rare you got a strong deck, more than that is a waist if you are against a good deck - so I think is not so unbalanced after all...

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I do have to say, as someone who has somewhat recently started several new accounts to test different elements:

Yes, against a good deck, they will do poorly. But when even the basic AI decks are using lots of rares, it can be very hard on the starter decks, especially for new players just trying to get into the game. That is already one of the hardest points due to all the budgeting that needs to be done to get to your desired deck, and it is a lot harder when all the opponent decks have rares and you don't yet have a deck that can counter them. Some of my decks spent a lot of time playing the Level 0 decks for electrum, and that is not any fun... especially when even those decks still get the occasional rare that will make your game a pain in the rear.

I do have to say, one thing that could make the early game a lot easier on new players would be having the electrum won from a match always be at least equal to the electrum you would lose... that is, instead of only gaining 1 electrum if you had 1 life at the end of the match, instead have it be whatever the losing cost would be (or that + 1).

Mathy example: Instead of giving (1...5) for the level 1 match, give either [(1...3) + 2] or [(1...4) + 1]

There is no "crisis" give me a break.

People complain that rare decks beat non-rare decks, this is EXACTLY what was happening before except only a few very very lucky people, or people who played for huge amounts of time, got to use rares... and they beat the rest of us habitually.

Now many many more people have rares, and are using them, which means the rate of jackpot rare gain for all PVP players will go up. Which is a more fair situation in my opinion - moving towards an environment where everyone has rares.

Rob was happy beating everyone with his 5 "legitimate" Owl Eyes deck but now that more people have them he's crying foul over Ragorak's "unsportsmanship." Suck it up dude. If sportsmanship is "I get to snipe all your creatures because I played longer" then this part of the game is terribly designed.

There's not even the money motive most CCG's have for stringing along the players who want rare cards. It's a free online game, it's ok for it to have unlockable features, but the expected price (in terms of games played) for even the most-used rares was ten thousand, fifteen thousand electrum before. Then there were rares that never got used, therefore never got jackpotted, so they stayed super-rare. Like Arsenic which was literally priceless in the old version of the game.

I have 4 Fahrenheits that I got "legitimately" in about 500 games played. But I wanted Arsenic, Stiletto and some Owl's Eyes. Couldn't get them because there were TWO DECKS in the top 50 that used any of those weapons back when Aether Dragon was dominant. The "vicious cycle" of rarity that these cards faced was one reason why the jackpot system just wasn't working as a way to reward long-term play.

Right now the "hyper rare" zan added, Miracle, is breaking the game again. It's the single most powerful card in the game. But because few decks use the color, you're probably never going to jackpot one.

It creates a two-tier system between casual players, and players who got incredibly lucky or who play for samura-esque lengths of time each day.

IMHO @Zan, you should should scrap rares ALTOGETHER, add a common weapon for each color, and focus on adding more BAZAAR cards for each color. This would expand strategies and make the game feel fresh again.

Making the existing rares into nerfed commons is a decent idea, creating a new round of rares to replace them is a TERRIBLE idea. The game would be much better off with a new set of 12 bazaar cards than a new set of 12 rares. Especially if this new round of cards added more powerful options for Earth, Water, etc.

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Originally Posted by -Manwe-

Right now the "hyper rare" zan added, Miracle, is breaking the game again. It's the single most powerful card in the game. But because few decks use the color, you're probably never going to jackpot one.

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Play tier 3, you can win them there. I got one that way...

That being said, I agree completely about the jackpot system being ineffective for spreading cards, and the limitations it suffers.

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Originally Posted by -Samura-

.. I can say that, when I saw those spawning Owl's everywhere I got crazy in setting a good counter deck (countering 6 Owl's is not easy .. but is possible..) .. i think I lose like 100-150 games on trying a way to defeat the Owl's decks AND the Fire decks AND the Aether-Dragon-copy decks without being one of them ... Gravity Shield is good against the first (because AI don't hit on his own Owl's to pass .. Gravity Shield is good against MorningStar too ..) Gravity Shield + gravity Dragons can somewhat hit the 1st and the 2nd and if you add Aether-Mark with those instant 5 damage plus some Oytugs you maybe can give away the 3rd type too .... after I gain Owl's I concluded that putting 6 Owl's on a 30-card-deck and relying mainly on them doesn't work properly... because of time reversal, freezes, Gravity-shields, direct damage, mutation, etc.. for vampire stiletto even worse because of the waisted blessings after a mutation or a reverse time...
ok.. now you could think ... "ah.. but i have a 6 miracles + 6 morning stars deck" - imo it will not work - Dimensional Shield and/or Gravity Shield , and other cards to do damage or a simply long deck of 41 cards will win by discard.

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My time/aether did pretty well in pwning those decks and apparently the AI was a monster when it used my deck (Everyone kept complaining that it hardcore pwned them every time i asked if anybody fought against me in the "PvP" mode).
Try it out:
15x time pillar
6x reverse time
6x golden hourglass
2x devonian dragon
3x anubis
1x eternity (replace reverse times with these if you have more than 1)
9x aether pillar
6x parallel universe
2x dimensional shield

Anyways I wont be able to play the game even when/if zanzarino patches it because I'm travelling :(

I've played against your deck before I do pretty well against it. Also the owls eyes aren't all that strong you just need to know just how to play against them because you may have the same cards in your deck but agianst different decks you have to play your cards differently.

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Originally Posted by Slayd CraVen

15x time pillar
6x reverse time
6x golden hourglass
2x devonian dragon
3x anubis
1x eternity (replace reverse times with these if you have more than 1)
9x aether pillar
6x parallel universe
2x dimensional shield

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Your deck is boss!

(it will pwn flying Owl's for sure)

weaknesses against - immortals, poisons, shields and weapon(not flying) ... also a Aether deck can multiple copy your Anubis after he hits the table and set them immortal before you can draw enoughs reverse-times (I know that can happen because I did play a similar but smaller version back when i got time mark... but I think yours are much better than mine)

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Originally Posted by -Manwe-

Rob was happy beating everyone with his 5 "legitimate" Owl Eyes deck but now that more people have them he's crying foul over Ragorak's "unsportsmanship." Suck it up dude. If sportsmanship is "I get to snipe all your creatures because I played longer" then this part of the game is terribly designed.

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Mind climbing off my back, Manwe? I wasn't "beating everyone with my 5 legitimate Owl Eyes deck" - how about keeping comments about what my deck has been to yourself if you have never played against it? If I was doing what you suggest, I would be top 50 - I am not top 50, likely won't be as I don't have time to devote to the game on weekdays.

My comments regarded ragorak2 doing the rare-spamming intentionally and without regard to it's possible effects.

Taking rares and making them more palatable commons that are neat weapons for each element is a good idea, I agree there. Ultimately, whatever zanzarino decides is how it will be. Seeing as he got the game to this point, I have no doubts he will come up with something good and continue to put effort into improving his game.


--rob77dp

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Originally Posted by -Samura-

Your deck is boss!

(it will pwn flying Owl's for sure)

weaknesses against - immortals, poisons, shields and weapon(not flying) ... also a Aether deck can multiple copy your Anubis after he hits the table and set them immortal before you can draw enoughs reverse-times (I know that can happen because I did play a similar but smaller version back when i got time mark... but I think yours are much better than mine)

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@Samura and SLayd Craven,

guys to be completely honest, ur deck is really good. it will beat the owl's eyes no doubt but against my deck, I've never lost 2 u. it's mainly because im the whole parallel, phase, dimes strategy, but it works really well. IN my opinion, the entire Elements community should be thinkning about a way to counter the Owl's Eyes and still be a decent deck agaisnt everyone else. My suggestion would be a kind of Gravity/Light/Aether...

Per say:

10 Quantum Pillars
4 Otyugh
6 Blessing
6 Dimensional Shield
2 Freeze
2 Gravity Shields

Try it out

This deck will effectively counter Slayd's Deck because with the Gravity Shields, none of his monsters could hit me. The only thing doing damage would be his Eternity and 3 damage per turn would run both of our decks clean before the game ends.

I just had a thought for how to help Entropy out: Make mutation a reliably good card. Here's what I'd do to it:

Raise its cost to at least 3 Entropy, possibly higher based on how effective it's found to be.
Make its first mutation on a non-Abomination creature *always* turn it into an Abomination.
Make its first mutation on an Abomination *always* turn into a mutant (Still completely random as it is now.) If it has to have a backfire the rare complete destruction could go here, but backfires like that are very weakening to having cards be usable.

This would really help Entropy have a power card of its own while still being random about it (Since you don't know which mutants you're going to get), which is something it's seriously lacking right now. It would also help there be more a point to putting Abominations into a deck.

As long as Entropy is pure random, it's going to be unreliable -- and reliability is needed for effectiveness. Moving its cards into pseudo-random will really help the element be viable (As you're planning with Chaos Seed).

How is it Rogue/rogue has several entries into the top 50? Do they really have enough time to get 3 different decks (2 with exactly the same name) into the top 50... top 10 even?

Just wondering.


--rob77dp

Edit: Also it seem Ragorak2/ragorak2 and drago10/drago10... is it a server error??

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Originally Posted by Slayd CraVen

15x time pillar
6x reverse time
6x golden hourglass
2x devonian dragon
3x anubis
1x eternity (replace reverse times with these if you have more than 1)
9x aether pillar
6x parallel universe
2x dimensional shield

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Can eternity be replaced with something else if someone had none?
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I have a suggestion about the current rare crisis, not only for the Ragorak2 'Rare Event', but for the improved circulation of rare cards without being too generous:

The spin machine is still ok to me, but i would say to change the basis. How about: The spin machine will select a rare and randomly select four other cards. The rare and the 4 others will not depend on the current deck's card composition, but on the mark of the enemy you just won against. The 5 cards will also stay the same and not change for the rest of the alloted spin times.

How does that sound??
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New Cards comments and suggestions:

Bone Wall: too strong in my opinion, either switch with 5 charges, 3 recharge rate or 10 charges, 1 recharge rate.

Dissipation Shield: [What do you mean consume quanta instead of hp? i doesn't consume hp currently...] The dissipation shield could still defend 1 dmg like now, but it now has a 30% chance of inflicting a random negative effect[like the new chaos seed]. Everytime this happens, 1 entropy quantum is consumed, and 1 random quantum is destroyed from your opponent.

'Popped-up-in-my-mind st00f': Why not make quanta limiter cards like Quantum Break that destroys like 5 Qs or Pillar Bombardment that destroys up to 3 pillars in the target cluster like tsunami? These cards can be placed in the other category
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What do you guys think overall?

~~Codename: Ice Bolt Elemental; Username:auriel

hi there
i just logged on and everything that was left was money and deck i was playing with
i lost all my cards,my stats and points!what happened?!?!

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Originally Posted by Bianary

Play tier 3, you can win them there. I got one that way...

That being said, I agree completely about the jackpot system being ineffective for spreading cards, and the limitations it suffers.

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If you're lucky. I played level 3 for ages and encountered many, many decks with more than one Miracle, yet I still haven't won one. Then I played level 4 and again encountered decks with more than 1 Miracle and still haven't won one.

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Originally Posted by rob77dp

How is it Rogue/rogue has several entries into the top 50? Do they really have enough time to get 3 different decks (2 with exactly the same name) into the top 50... top 10 even?

Just wondering.


--rob77dp

Edit: Also it seem Ragorak2/ragorak2 and drago10/drago10... is it a server error??

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That's usually just an error with the hi-scores, and their score was submitted more than once. It's happened before and zanzarino has been pretty fast about fixing it.

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If you're lucky. I played level 3 for ages and encountered many, many decks with more than one Miracle, yet I still haven't won one. Then I played level 4 and again encountered decks with more than 1 Miracle and still haven't won one.

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It is pretty much pure luck, but I know you can win them from 3 because I've done so. (That only being luck bit is part of why I don't actually like the current spin system.)

Well drawing a card out of a booster pack is also pure luck as well, although you could also buy rare cards by themselves for a lot more money

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Well drawing a card out of a booster pack is also pure luck as well, although you could also buy rare cards by themselves for a lot more money

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And the point of booster packs set up that way is $$$. Does it improve an online game to have no reliable way to work towards a goal?

Help needed...

I only play occasionally and dont have any rare cards (I think)

I could beat a level 2 deck about 1/3 times, but usually beat level 1s. I've noticed that since my last time playing the level 1 decks now have a ton of super weapons that really make it hard to beat them. Could they be toned down a bit.

Those new weapons are seriously overpowered.

5 damage + 3 to any creature every turn
5 damage + destroy 3 pillars every trun
3 damage + 1 poison cumulative every turn

They come out early in the game and its over. Either take off the damage or make them cost 25 mana or something.

they're not that overpowered to someone who has been playing a while but they do need to be taken out of the early decks. Possibly make them only show up in level 3 and 4.

are you crazy? That would make them WORTHLESS.


--rob77dp

I have a suggestion, along with approval of the multi-player lobby, extra level of AI and guest account.
You could have a personal trophy room that has achievable 'badges' for defeating an enemy under certain conditions such as 'Close match:win a duel with 10 or less HP left' etc. I think this may be hard to code, but I have very little knowledge of coding, so it might be easy, the problem would be making a script that would be able to detect specific things...
I had something else to say but...can't think of it again...:rolleyes:

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Help needed...

I only play occasionally and dont have any rare cards (I think)

I could beat a level 2 deck about 1/3 times, but usually beat level 1s. I've noticed that since my last time playing the level 1 decks now have a ton of super weapons that really make it hard to beat them. Could they be toned down a bit.

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Like DarkGate said, once you've played a load of games and got some decent cards things'll go way smoother. I don't even use any rares... :)

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are you crazy? That would make them WORTHLESS.


--rob77dp

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Actually, after playing a couple of the PVP decks I think 25 might be too low...

I created a new account that I'm doing better in (wind). My other deck was time and I was losing as much money as I made, making it pointless to play because I couldnt even beat level 1 decks reliably- and when I did I'd earn 1 coin and lose 2 when I lost.

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Actually, after playing a couple of the PVP decks I think 25 might be too low...

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First, I agree that the rares are simply too good right now.

That being said, you're going about suggesting ways to fix them that are entirely wrong and would make them go from too good to worthless.

That feel some need to play pure aether with dim shields, dragons, and PU with pillars... Are you that unable to use an original type deck idea? I find it hard to believe you are "just using it for farming" being up that high in coin and score... Oh well, you have the right to use whatever deck you want, but I would be embarrassed to be in the top 50 and have my deck set to pure aether farming.


That is all.


--rob77dp

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That feel some need to play pure aether with dim shields, dragons, and PU with pillars... Are you that unable to use an original type deck idea? I find it hard to believe you are "just using it for farming" being up that high in coin and score... Oh well, you have the right to use whatever deck you want, but I would be embarrassed to be in the top 50 and have my deck set to pure aether farming.

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If they're going for some of the rares that are rare even among level 3 cpus, they may be validly farming for it.

Not like there's any other way to obtain them currently.

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Originally Posted by rob77dp

That feel some need to play pure aether with dim shields, dragons, and PU with pillars... Are you that unable to use an original type deck idea? I find it hard to believe you are "just using it for farming" being up that high in coin and score... Oh well, you have the right to use whatever deck you want, but I would be embarrassed to be in the top 50 and have my deck set to pure aether farming.


That is all.


--rob77dp

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Since when is one not allowed to play the deck he wants? I hate those Owl's Eye-spammers more than anything but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able play with those cards... Either way, i still win more than 90% of the time against those decks so i see no reason to complain...
(Besides, what's so difficult about beating aether decks anyway?)

To each his own...

Edit...

I've only been playing for a few weeks now, and am in the process of tweaking my deck to work have a better than 40% win ratio on the level 3 Elementals.

I've read through on the deal with the rare cards, and understandably they should be rare to make the game more interesting. However, 9 times out of 10 when the computer gets one of those rare cards out I might as well just concede the game and try again.

Anyway, it got me to thinking. Rare shouldn't always be synonymous with unbalanced. Something that could be done to temper these rare cards is to have the activation cost require a different type of quantum than what was needed to summon it. Or have it do some kind of minor detrimental effect on the caster when it is used or summoned. This would help to diversify the deck building process since you would have to design your deck to work with your rares rather than just throwing them into an existing deck (or one built around a different strategy) and having them work as well as they currently do.

This is a really great game though and the workmanship that has been put into it really shows. I'm looking forward to future updates and new cards to select from. Keep up the fantastic work

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First, I agree that the rares are simply too good right now.

That being said, you're going about suggesting ways to fix them that are entirely wrong and would make them go from too good to worthless.

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They would not be worthless. With even one of those cards you can entirely lock down your opponent.

If a weapon does 5 damage it should cost at LEAST 5 mana. An ability like shooting creatures for 3 mana should add at least another 5 to the initial cost. Being able to destroy 3 pillars for 3 mana- at least 15 initial cost, or make it instead take away 3 mana at random.

Rares should be fun to play because of a cool ability, but having them severely under-cost unbalances the game.

marauder you just don't have a balanced deck yet is the problem. Weapons are easy to go against if your deck is even decent. You just need to get your deck down to one or two elements is all.

And Rob I am no longer all aether user after my sudden jump into the Top 20 after not playing for a couple of days. Now i'm going to use a fun mutation/rainbow based deck for awhile. I'm going to try and tweak it to make it successful but it'll probably take some time to get it to win consistently. Now to hope for a good mutation hehe.

...ok my mutation didn't win enough for me to want to stick with it. Entropy really needs a boost at this point, so for now I'll make use of my miracles and go with a firefly deck.

Hello zanz, and hello Elements Community.

I've been playing for a bit by now, but like many others, I neglected to make posting on the forums a high priority.

First I just wanted to point out that I've been enjoying the game. It's great so far, and I can't wait to see how it goes!

But let's get on with what I wanted to say.

My Bug - This might be a bit difficult to fix, or to even figure out what caused it. Still should point it out.

I was playing my entropy deck, and mutated my creature into something else (spark into a non-mutation.) Then my opponent froze it. Attempting not to lose too much momentum, I used chaos seed on it, hoping for something, and I got a copy of that creature. The problem is, when they unfroze, they were exactly the same. Now after playing my entropy deck for many matches, I have never copied a mutated creature, and gotten the exact same thing from it. I used two parallel universes, one on each creature, and got exact copies again! Are frozen creatures not meant to be copied, or is the status effect causing a bug?


Next on the list is Purify. I've noticed there's been a lot of debate about it. My idea is to change the effect. Just like the card "Holy Light" can heal a creature or a player, maybe change the text on Purify to something along the lines of:

Purify - "Remove all status effects from the target."

Now if this idea was adopted, I think 1 water would be fair to remove your poison, or a creature's infection. But what about making the programming simpler, and just making a card that removes all status effects. You can remove momentum and gravity pull. Since it is only 1 target, and removing these status effects does not grant as much of an overpowered advantage as a strategic one, I think that the cost could stay the same, maybe go up to 2 if it is absolutely necessary.


Also, there has been talk about giving entropy a little 'Boost.' Personally, I love the weapon 'Discord.' Not for it's ability, but for it's name. Entropy is what makes the universe not hold together, and discord is just utter chaos. Personally, I would like to see Discord's ability be a blanket of 'Chaos Seeds' all over the field. Either make it activate at random like discord does (but less often,) or the cost would have to be decently high (or at least remove the ability to copy creatures. Just the blessings, infections, slight chance of destruction, etc, just no more creatures than started on the field.) Just make sure to make it affect the fields of both players, that way when it does happen, everyone is checking the field to find out what just happened to their creatures.
(As I was typing this, I just realized a simpler, but less fun solution. Just like eternity has a 'built-in' Reverse Time, you could give Discord a built-in Mutate or Chaos Seed.)

Just a few ideas, felt like being a part of the community, and the development of what I am sure will become an extremely popular (and great!) game.

Sorry for posting twice in a row, but interesting bug.

This happens when a creature that is frozen gets lobotomized, has chaos seed get casted on it, or other 'different' altering effects.

My creatures appears to be frozen (ie. has the ice crystals on it,) but is still attacking, dealing damage, and (if not lobotomized,) able to use abilities as if it were not.