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Gusmus, many people don't believe that I coined the term "streaming". So you may have a few jerks that
don't believe you even with proof. The screen shot is
impressive. However, No Hablee Esteban canolie. :faded:
To clarify the earlier screenshot, the arrows show the situation,
while the circle shows the exit button that causes the crash.
DocRee
Hi Doc, I've just tried that sequence about a dozen times and I can't get it to crash, either on KM or KM Beta. Not even the slightest freeze up or glitch that sometimes warns you that it's on the edge.
I'm honestly spoiled by this comp, it's much more stable than my P4 and as I've said before, "I've honestly never had a real crash or freeze up of KM in 2 years of using it full time. I can make it crash by taking a big JPG and doing a 3000 times "Zoom Out" but that has nothing to do with the program, that's down to having no system resources for such a huge operation and it doesn't only crash KM,, it takes everything out. Cheers
OK Doc, I finally got it to crash.
0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
0010: 75 72 65 20 20 6b 6f 6f ure koo
0018: 6c 6d 6f 76 65 73 2e 65 lmoves.e
0020: 78 65 20 34 2e 34 2e 30 xe 4.4.0
0028: 2e 30 20 69 6e 20 6b 6f .0 in ko
0030: 6f 6c 6d 6f 76 65 73 2e olmoves.
0038: 65 78 65 20 34 2e 34 2e exe 4.4.
0040: 30 2e 30 20 61 74 20 6f 0.0 at o
0048: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00
0050: 33 37 30 64 64 33 0d 0a 370dd3..
Hope Bob can get to the bottom of that lot cos it's all dutch to me. Cheers
It appears that you are running version 4.4?
Is the crash reproducible? What is the exact sequence and which screens are open? Can you get it to crash with the 4.5 beta?
It seems that YES the details you give with the frames...are right ! always when I change something in the frames...action script..it crashes sometimes after ...
Now I use always the SAVE button after I change a little thing ! damned !
That was only for the screen shot Bob,,I've been testing it on versions 4.4 upwards because my other computers are usually a version or two behind the latest due to lack of web building use. It crashed on 4.4, 4.45 and the beta. It took me a while to learn the trick but yes, it'll crash it every time so there is your crashetty bug. All you have to do now is fix it lol. Cheers.Quote:
It appears that you are running version 4.4?
The exact sequence is. "Draw a shape"><"Convert shape to Movie Clip"><"Double click Shape to open Properties Box and then select Frames"><"Select Timelime and then Action Script"(As per Docree,s screenshot)>< "Now close the Timeline box using the X"><"Restart Koolmoves lol">
It doesn't seem to crash if you go back to "Main Movie" without closing the timelines box so maybe there is a "work around" the problem in that direction
Unfortunately I can't get it to crash. There are a lot of details which may make a difference. 3 key frames are added at some point in the sequence.
I could use the crash dump data for 4.5 beta and the date of the .exe you are using?
Can others get it to crash?
I can't get it to crash in 4.4 or 4.5 beta. It would be nice to know what anti-virus programs people are using cause even though you shut it down from the taskbar, it doesn't always shut it down. My anti-virus program runs off more then one exe. After shutting it down, I also have to end processes on the exe files.
I've been trying for almost 2 hours now and I can't get it to crash on any version, yet last night , once I got it to crash once it would do it to order as you could see by the screenshot. The three .EXE dates are 10th-Apr-2004, 3rd-July-2004, and the beta is 8th-Sept-2004.
I'm running AVG and it's never been the cause of anything untoward in conjunction with KM. In fact I am beta testing (Alpha) Longhorn "DO NOT EVEN THINK OF ASKING FOR A COPY,,, THE ANSWER IS NO" and it is one of the few AV clients actually reccomended for its stability.
As for this (intermittent as it now seems) crashing problem, I can only guess that the computer or the os has to meet a certain criteria and at that point the program will crash. I can't believe that it is an inherant problem solely caused by KM, there must be some critical point where both the OS and KM reach critical mass and the crash occurs. It seems that recreating that critical mass is now the problem to be solved.
The virus scan software: AntiVir Personal Edition
I do the "three finger salute" and turn off everything,
[except for what is needed by Win 98] before running
Kool Moves.
So, I highly doubt there is a software conflict. It rarely
happens, now that I brought the bug up. I should test again,
since I just recently defraged. I don't think my computer can tell
Bob when I crash KoolMoves, cause I use KM offline and don't
use an auto-crash-report-software.
The three frames inside the MovieClip are not from the bug...
The screen shot was from the closest available fun file that was
plagued by the problem.
I will try to recreate a more proper screen capture with crash info,
tonight. This crash may be an anomolie that happens 2% of the
time.
DocRee
I could not get KoolMoves to crash again...
It could have been the hard drive being too fragmented
or a stray bit in the wrong cluster.
It could be possible that xp [for other users] may cause
crashes due to the way it handles the defrag.
Of course, I don't use xp on this PC so I don't know.
DocRee
KoolMoves has several memory allocation problems,that's for sure.
I had no crashes at all,but too many things are involved if you wanna track a crash.
Few of them:
1) the operating system
2) the amount of RAM
3) the resident programs (all active processes)
4) what are you doing at that moment (very important)
5) the current "RAM allocation Map" (extremely important)
Because of the 5th point, many crashes (those memory related) are NOT reproducible.
Windows has its own way to manage the system resources.
If a certain application doesn't follow the rules ...
;)
Ok, still crashing...
Bellow are the crash dump details. [They may not help much.]
I can't get the system specs during the crash.
1: Win98 4.10.1998 [The first Win 98 not SE]
2:128.00mb Ram
[Not much, but works better than when I had 64mb]
3: Only what's needed... SysTray, Explorer, Aticwd32 and KoolMoves
4:[Exiting the "actions overview" in the frames of a movie clip.]
5: Could not get it... Will try cacheman with KoolMoves Sometime
DocRee
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KOOLMOVES caused an invalid page fault in
module KOOLMOVES.EXE at 015f:0079a593.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=015f EIP=0079a593 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=00c00160 SS=0167 ESP=00d2f414 EBP=00d2f460
ECX=00000460 DS=0167 ESI=00000002 FS=29af
EDX=8173f0fc ES=0167 EDI=02754cbc GS=4067
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 01 6a 00 ff 50 5c 83 65 08 00 81 fe 10 01 00
Stack dump:
00d2f484 000084f4 00d2f4d0 0000031c 00000002 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 007b9c3c 00000010 00d2f484 000084f4 00c00160 00d2f414
I'm having pretty random cases of crashing now as well.
WinXPHome 1gig Ram
Last crash was while adding frame to child movie.
I think it would be nice if KoolMoves created a crash report when this happens. Such as: cpu usage, memory usage, list of programs running, OS, and graphics card drivers. This way we could figure out what's causing crashes for some of these people. I've run Koolmoves on a Pentium 1 120mhz with only 64mb on WIN 98SE and never had a crash. So, I don't think it's a performance issue.