[Disc] Fight Games

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WoW WilloughbyJackson I don't know how to thank you lol!!!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS GREAT READ!

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That's just a beginning. :p

My favorite fight games are:
1) Yu Yu Hakusho Sega Genesis (by Treasure). It had simple gameplay, 3 buttons (not including the line shift) and 4 players tag team and battle royal action! It was pure fun! Every character had unique moves which you had to learn the advantages and disadvantages of.

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1) Virtua Figher Evolution (PS 2). Simple the best in terms of "realistic" fighting action. Tons of moves in there, and lots of combo possiblities outside of the dial-a-combo range. The major game is to counter your opponents attacks to send them flying or do more damage.

3) Street Fighter III: Third Strike (PS 2,etc). Admittedly hard as nails since the combos are old school style, and I suck at the parry, however, it's just beautiful to watch in motion. Akiman's character designs are so stunning in motion.

4) Guilty Gear XX (PS 2): Insane combos, gameplay techinques, and it's always fun to hear the words "DESTROYED!"

5) Fighters Megamix (Sega Saturn): Virtua Fighter vs Fighting Vipers vs Sonic Fighters vs everything Sega. Insane gameplay because of the VF 3 moves with VF 2 level of floating.

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Now there is another question to combos though. How many graphically different moves should a fighter have? And is it okay just to combo standart moves graphically whise. The thing is I can't ask too much of my artist or he might get scared ^^.
How many animation frames should be the minimum for lets say a kick or punch?

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Combo wise, going with Chain Combos is the best choice, since that means combos are just formed from Normal moves. So if you have only two attack buttons, you still have tons of combinations. (Jump in air kick, punch, punch, kick, low kick..blah blah blah)

As for number of frames, whatever looks good. If you look at an insane animation intense game like Street Fighter III, your artist's head might explode. For example, here is a stand weak attack for Chun Li in Street Figther III:

http://www.willoughbyweb.com/chunli.jpg

Street Fighter III is unique in the fact the most recoil animations are NOT repeats of the attack animation, just backwards.

However, simpler fight games (like Final Fight..back when fight game meant you against the world of generic thugs), the "wind-up" animation is the same as the recovery:

http://www.willoughbyweb.com/haggar.jpg

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And another question... should the fighters move in steps (many pixels with pauses) or rather smooth?

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Once again, that's up to you. I usually have them move X amount of pixels while the person is holding left or right. For my Dreamcrusher game, I'm only having the character move when it puts its foot down.

wow WilloughbyJackson, you have made two characters for mugen, man, that's some real hard work :) . As for me, right now Iam doing a "Streets of Rage" type fighting game, been working on it for more then a week now. The enemy A.I is half done. I have to get them to pick up the weapon and the weapon bashing animations are left. Did'nt get any artist so Iam using sprites, hope to finish this one at the end of this month.

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btw, anyone played Last Blade 2 for Neo Geo, the character "Setsuna" from it is in my avatar. Truly Amazing visual wise and gameplay wise.

Three released characters and about ten not released or released for beta to friends.

I created Jigglypuff, Psyduck, and the original Scorpion (the first character with a fatality :D ). I also created Mew Two, Ranma (transforming), Goku (my version which played like Marvel vs Capcom), Mugen Brain, Street of Rage (Axl, Blaze, and Max), Y2J (Chris Jericho), and Super Mugen Bros (Bonus stage in Mario land... scrolling level with Kupas and what not.. Only given to Infinma).

I was going to release everything but unfortunately, my old computer died, and I can't find all my characters. :(

Yeah.. I always forget about Last Blade (since I only played it recently at the recommendation of Marmotte).

I once started to work on it but really got confused due to all those .air etc files. the tutorials were complex and tough for me to understand. :( its sad though that all of them characters are gone down with the harddrive.

http://openmugen.sourceforge.net/ it's coming... :yikes:

My MUGEN days are long over... I like making Flash games...

I can sell my game when finished in Flash. :D

(Though I wish I could find all my old characters to release :( )

Anyhow, Leechmaster B! How's it going?!

Well mostly I was studying other fightgames and planing how things should work and what should be redone. But I can't say much more about it yet.
just:
- 3 key states, pressed, toggled, released
-> 22 key states for combos (no toggled keys)
-> planed 8 times dial a combos from that.

Thats an early speculation but its hard to say how the performance will look like this way.

What's the setting? :P

(My character designs are inspired by Jademan (Hong Kong) comics and takes place in ancient China. )

punch
kick
cover

up/jump
down/crouch
forward
backward ?

Is Cover the same as block or does it function different?

Are you planning on having VF type combos?

I.E. Punch, punch, kick is punch, punch, sidekick while punch, punch, punch, kick is punch, punch, punch, spinning kick, while punch, punch, punch, d + kick is 3 punches followed by a low spinning kick

-pXw

Well that would be possible. Cover is block, its the same thing.
I just tested it and as it seems it could be possible to have insane long move combinations for combos or special moves.
The artist did do anything yet and the variety of moves is pretty much depending on what he wants to do or will do. Like mentioned I can't say too much yet.
If you want you can do beta testing as soon as there is like a playable example to test the combo system and movement and things. :)
But if so then you should be prepared for crappy stickfigure grafics since there is no artwork at all yet.

I'll beta it for you.. feel free to PM or IM me. <G>

Hey what do you think is the biggest amout of keys for a dial a combo that you can expect from a user? :D
Right now I set the limit to 8 for testing purpose.
example:
punch,punch,kick,punch+kick,down,back,forward,punc h+kick

Big example:
example:
punch,punch,kick,punch+kick,down,back,forward,punc h+kick,forward,down,back,kick,kick, kick, kick, punch, down, up, punch


What do you think is the best? Easier fighters could have shorter ones and more complicated fighters long ones just how long?...

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As I mentioned, I dislike dial-a-combos, however, I DO like Virtua Figher style combos. They are usually a maximum of 4 to 5 button presses. They can easily be combinated with other 1 or 2 button press moves to create a pretty impressive combo.

For example: Sarah Bryant has this combo...

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ELBOW, KNEE  -> PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH FLIPKICK -> BRYANT STOMP
f + P, K, P,P,P,ub + K, df + K

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The first part is one combo, next is the VF dial combo, and finally the ground kick.

I like VF combos because they're easy to remember, and there aren't too many buttons involved.

Of course, the advantage to chain-combos, is all they are is normal moves chained together.

Correct me if Iam wrong, but, if you will be implementing combos in flash, then flash only accepts one key at a time as an input. It will be hard for those type of combos where two keys are pressed simultaneously like punch, punch + kick, kick etc, where punch and kick keys are pressed simulatenously. Also there will be problems in powers where d-pad buttons and punch or kick button are pressed simultaneously, not totally sure about this though...

PS: The most combo sequences can be found in the KOF series(the newer one's). They are so awesome. You can change the combo inbetween a combo and make another combo ending according to the different buttons punched in.

I dont know what you mean adit ya sharma, flash detects up to 6 keys for me. And more wont be needed. So the combo system works alright. The limit is windows and not flash anyway I think.

wow! i reckon this thread should go straight to the knowledgebase! cool work guys.:)

All the credits go to WilloughbyJackson he s the man! ^^

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Originally Posted by adit_ya_sharma

Correct me if Iam wrong, but, if you will be implementing combos in flash, then flash only accepts one key at a time as an input.

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Nope, Flash 4 had that problem, but Flash 5 or higher does not. (I think it was 5 or higher...) However, how I usually do it is something like this (Note, not my actual code, so lots is missing):

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//Space button is pressed

if (Key.isDown(Key.SPACE)){

//If right is pressed and the time right is pressed is less than the set

// framelimit, you've pressed Right AND Space at the same time

  if (Key.isDown(Key.RIGHT) && KeyTime < frameLimit){

//RUNNING KNEE

} else if (Key.isDown(Key.LEFT) && KeyTime < frameLimit){

//AXE KICK

}

}

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HOWEVER, certain key combinations (such as LEFT + DOWN + SPACE + NUMBERPAD 1 + NUMBERPAD 2 + PAGE DOWN) MIGHT NOT be full read by Flash. (Believe me, I know this from a two player game I tried to make but couldn't -_- )

As for the special move inputs (D,DF,F + Punch), SaphuaA had a nice little code related to that kicking around.

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PS: The most combo sequences can be found in the KOF series(the newer one's). They are so awesome. You can change the combo inbetween a combo and make another combo ending according to the different buttons punched in.

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I'm still a fan Guilty Gear XX, Street Fighter Alpha or Last Blade 2 style combos. (Though I DO like the KOF series. (Of course, currently, I'm a rather annoying Malin player.))

http://www.snkplaymore.jp/official/k...rls_malin.html

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(Of course, currently, I'm a rather annoying Malin player.)

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I think that kof 2003 was not really upto the mark compared to its predessors. The main kof's which I have really liked is the 99(the whole feel was really good, and one of the best sound tracks ever) and 2002 editions (gameplay at its max. no other kof can compare, also the players were very balanced, my fav. was tetsuo aka k9999 :) )

In 2003, they kinda ruined it with the tag rule, and also cutting off the Hidden SDM's was a bad idea IMHO.

Edit: I have made a quick example of two keys being pressed simultaneously using key listener and it does'nt works all the time. Check it out and tell me what can be done to make it work perfectly.

Edit: Another thing, can you also beta test my game? :)