[GAME] Minotaur

If the level merely restarts when you die, the game would never end.

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But what if you could only find everything you needed if you made certain choices along the way.

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Sorry, must have misread it... How would I go about doing this? It's already there to some degree; because I don't know about you, but I have used the key on the wrong door, and have had to starve to death to end the game... I have also gone the wrong way and been killed by minotaur, attempting all the while to dash down the paths, where I hoped to find the sword. Traps have also killed me. But I suppose you're saying that the level can still end, but you either get 3 swords or a potion (or something)... is that right?

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Also, I don't think that the score is necessarily the most important thing.

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If you are not aiming for the highscore, what should it be? I could do level, but then with the randomness of the levels, all the first 15 levels may have only had potions... in which case the level doesn't mean too much. You were saying that the levels should be static, well, if they were then what would people be aiming for? After they beat the last level, there'd be no more reason to play, would there? It could be timed, but I think the guy playing it should have as much time to think as he wants. The game is a puzzle of a sort afterall; although much more a guessing game unfortunately...

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If the level merely restarts when you die, the game would never end.

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Ha ha. True.
I was thinking he meant that when you get HIT by the minotaur you start the level over (still with your points, but less life). Although I like how you have it now too, where you can push past him and just lose some life without having him attack you repeatedly.

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I have used the key on the wrong door, and have had to starve to death to end the game

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Yeah, me too. I think it is much better now in this respect than when you first posted it. It's still random though. My point was just that with pre-designed levels you could make it more puzzle and less guessing game. But, yeah, once you've solved the puzzle it's kind of over.

Just giving some ideas. I make no guarantees as to whether or not they are actually any good. :)

I'm excited to see this finished.

I've got a present for you. Maybe it's too heavy tough :
http://fil.razorback.free.fr/tmp/world1.mp3

Sorry but I like the random levels. I even liked it a little better when it started with simple levels and each level got more complex.

What I meant by "the minotaur should die" was that it just seemed terribly unfair to lose all my lives when cornered by one. I did not know I could "push through" him... That's why I thought, the Minotaur attacks, kills one of my lives, then he "leaves". BUT perhaps I have not paid close enough attention to the player's health/lives. (heh)

I haven't checked out this new version yet. Will do ASAP!

I like the new graphics. I think I found a bug... If you find a key, sword or potion, but you don't pick it up... you just walk away, it disappears. Shouldn't it stay on the map, because it's been "uncovered"?

The pit trap sound is too loud. Reduce it to 80% and it should be fine.

Other than that I like this. In an ideal world, I'd say add some frames to the little man. Like, when he attacks a minotaur, show a sword sticking out for a second. Same for when you use a shield, etc. (Well, in a really ideal world everything would be animated, but you can save that for the sequel. ;-) )

i forgot odyssey was only for mac's, it's actually not a bad game. to make the highscore more noticable, simply add it to the main screen, which i feel is lacking options anyways

ray beez, youre suggestion matches the style of odyssey and avernum, youre character for example is not just one single sprite, but multiple ones that are played during attack, defence, sitting etc. in odyssey, you have multiple still sprites, which i actually like, as it plays well with the music

im liking the new style tog, one problem, one time, when two minotaurs were present, one disappeared when i dodged (but maybe you could tell others that the minotaurs got into a fight ;)) also, you still havent solved the problem of being able to starve even when you just got killed by a minotaur

aww, i also had no key to unlock a door...

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I've got a present for you. Maybe it's too heavy tough :
http://fil.razorback.free.fr/tmp/world1.mp3

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Sorry, but adding 2.6 mb to the game would really slow down the download (on dial-up anyway), and I'd like it to load quickly... besides if they don't like the music they can just play their own in the background.

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If you find a key, sword or potion, but you don't pick it up... you just walk away, it disappears. Shouldn't it stay on the map, because it's been "uncovered"?

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Sorry, I'll fix that now.

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Like, when he attacks a minotaur, show a sword sticking out for a second. Same for when you use a shield, etc.

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I'll attempt it, although with my animations, it probably won't end up looking very good.

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when two minotaurs were present, one disappeared when i dodged

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I'll look into it, though I can't promise anything.

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also, you still havent solved the problem of being able to starve even when you just got killed by a minotaur

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Sorry, I'll do that now.

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The pit trap sound is too loud. Reduce it to 80% and it should be fine.

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By the pit trap sound, do you mean when it's destroyed, or when it hits you.

i like the idea, but its a little to retro for me. I'd like to be able to use the mouse as a torch, move freely, click to attack monsters, ability to avoid traps with spacebar skills, and a better looking dungeon.

i think all your games have been like this, moving an entire tile per move, why not step up a little?

still, its good for what it is

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i think all your games have been like this, moving an entire tile per move, why not step up a little?

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The only other game I've put up for viewing on here is Regeb which definitely isn't like that.

The game is updated, and I believe the outside border and inventory are the only things that need to be worked on. Inform me if I'm wrong about that.

Very nice.
Do you have any other games besides Regeb? Are they posted anywhere?
I like that your games aren't always just the same old thing.

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Originally Posted by TOG the mighty

The game is updated, and I believe the outside border and inventory are the only things that need to be worked on. Inform me if I'm wrong about that.

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I dont like the way i cant "lose" the minotaur as he is always directly behind you. Why cant you lay traps for the minotaur or secret passages. For example when you have a torch and see a secret wall then it blinks green and you can walk through it and into a secret passage and thus losing the minotaur. For me it seem too retro. We are in the year 2006 now add some AI and make the monster chase you but lose interest after a while, for me a kill him or die yourself technique isnt as exciting as it could be.
You could greatly improve this game, even though its good already, by adding some more depth. You also seem to have a thing for putting in a choose easy or hard mode. This is somtimes confusing and annoying because i could get further than someone in easy but they get more points. Your other habbit in your flash games is the play music link. Although I see your reasoning for this you could use the simple technique that I use. This is when you use the loadMovie. you have a swf file called choosedatail.swf which has the high/low details option. If they choose high detail then you would use:
loadMovie("game.swf")
loadMovie("music.ext")
otherwise you could just load the one movie. Fianally the move by tile thing is good but I would personaly prefer a proper movement game, although I understand its harder, the final thing that really REALLY annoys me is the way you stop when you pick somthing up. If you are being chased its a reall anti-climax. To tell the truth people will notice a giant sword and if they picked it up, there no need for the pause.
Apart from that, its a really fun game to play and has alot potential.
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not all retro games are bad (if you had a mac to play that game...) and adding additional "stuff" to the game may require a redo in order for it to mesh properly, so instead, just put extra things (but following the same styles) in it to keep people attracted to the game, if you want animation, that's fine, but if you want to keep that retro look, try cutting it down to two or three frames (as represented in odyssey, god that is such a good representation of this type of game). i can understand how you have problems with animation, im terrible at it too (im better at solid objects that rotate and move and things like that, but no bending)

a good example of a few frame animation is say... a bat, with two frames, one with it's wings up, the other down

not sure hwy, but this situation seems pretty funny to me, worst situation ever:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...8/untitled.jpg

but at least i was able to see...and i think i might of made it to the highscores!!

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For me it seem too retro

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Yeah, but if I changed it, it wouldn't be retro.

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I dont like the way i cant "lose" the minotaur as he is always directly behind you.

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Think about it... if you were a minotaur and were really starving, wouldn't you chase down a potential snack?

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You also seem to have a thing for putting in a choose easy or hard mode. This is somtimes confusing and annoying because i could get further than someone in easy but they get more points.

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Regeb no longer has two difficulties; too many people were irritated by it. I'll make it so you don't get so many more points in hard... my friend told me to put it in, but I don't think he'll notice if I remove it.

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the final thing that really REALLY annoys me is the way you stop when you pick somthing up

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Yeah, sorry, I had it there from earlier because the graphics for the items weren't there. I'll get rid of that delay.

Your other observations are noted, but I don't feel that it's too important... The game doesn't need to be that great, because it is made by flash, and there are limits, (especially since I don't want to wait 30 minutes while uploading the music; my server might decide to kick me off.) although I realize the things you pointed out are possible to reach, yet they are not necessary (who knows? maybe I'll do it in a sequel).

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just put extra things (but following the same styles)

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I'm not too sure what you mean by that, do you mean more good item against bad thing (swords, minotaurs; keys, doors; shields, traps...) relationships? Or perhaps more weapons, or different kinds of potions... or something?

I think I'll stay away from animations, mainly because they are not necessary, and they are hard for me to do.

I was about to create a mock up of the interface,- but I have however not time atm.- thus I thought about giving you a usefull link regarding the design/ style:
http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=204
I am pretty much sure you can use those

further more I have a smal suggestion:
- how about adding a time bar that shows in REALTIME (maybe in the lower field where the messages appear) how long the delay requires/ takes. Every time I play it it feels kind of frozen because of the delays when picking something up or facing an enemy- that way one could see like a preloader how long the delay will take.

really nice game

Thanks renderhjs. Using a fitting font will add a lot to the interface.

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how about adding a time bar that shows in REALTIME

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Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm thinking I might just make it so there are no delays.

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Do you have any other games besides Regeb? Are they posted anywhere?
I like that your games aren't always just the same old thing.

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Not as of yet; but don't worry, I will.

well to be honest I like the delay,- part of the atmosphere imo. - its just that in some cases it could be slightly faster- or one could hit a button to skip the message. But still the timebar imo. would be in any case a good idea

Oh... well, I've already changed it. Perhaps you'll like it enough the way it is now, and if you don't, well... It depends what others think about it as well, not to disregard your opinion (I especially won't if you are the only one responding).

Bad news! Latest version has a bug... I was I THINK on level 3, hit the stairs, and at the bottom it said "Loading level...". Next thing I know, it's frozen and I got the Flash Player "a script is causing the movie to run slow" error. In other words I think something got caught in an infinite loop, or similar.

Still seems like EASY map sizes ramps up quicker than it did a few days ago... Is it my imagination? I kinda liked going through several smallish maps.. each only slightly bigger than the last. Let me know your thoughts on this.

OH and funniest thing! I started a game on Easy and the map was 1 square. :-D I couldn't move anywhere!

I hope and believe I fixed that, and yeah I'll do that for Easy (make it go up by a little bit each time).

Edit: Changed the way Easy works. I haven't run into any problems since I fixed the game, but who knows? Please inform me if you find an error.