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In the MM flash IDEs it was possible to run the code directly in the standalone flash player as an exe or swf rather than embedded in a HTML document. I was wondering if the same thing was possible using Flex2. At the moment i'm opening them in the standalone player by simply launching the .swf file in the compiled folder.
Any ideas?
RipX
its not really flash 9, its an alpha which sole purpose is to allow you to export to AS3, nothing more.
Yup,the first part of my previous post was more generally to all :)
To reply to you, everfornever:
AS3 doesn´t force one to code in frames,one can code in seperate .as files,too, for example.
Many things were changed in AS3,as i said display Objects are handled different now and the the event handling has changed a good bit,too.
You have to register an object as listener for an event now.
And yep,its seen as inferior to have code on instances and yes,code on display Object instances will now be ignored in AS3 (export).
Regarding your question on the flash9 ide: As i said,yes, the flash 9 ide alpha is basically just the flash 8 ide with support for coding in AS3 and exporting F9 swfs.
It does not represent the feature set the final f9 ide will have at all (which will be released sometime next year).
I´ve already talked a bit about some of the new features the final F9 ide will have in an earlier post in this thread,check that one for more info.
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p.s. I published one of my games as flash 9 and it seems to be running better... is this my imagination?
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Unless you published for AS3 yes,that´s just your impression (sorry :)).
Note that the flash9 player has two Virtual machines in it (that´s the thing that interpretes the code),one is for handling code prior to AS3 and one is for handling AS3 code. That is due to the fact that so much is different in AS3 and also because AS3 code is JIT compiled.
Therefore: Even if you publish for flash 9 player,as long as you don´t have
choosen actionscript3 as the AS version in your publish settings you will not get all the cool performance gain.
You will only get the performance gain if you code things in AS3 manner and export for AS3.
Just wanted to point out that it's already possible with as3Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg
check out the DisplayObject.hitTestObject method ;)
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/...ref/index.html
Yep,you can change your settings to view generated swfs directly in the standalone player,have a look at this: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/...=00000375.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by RipX
for more info :)
Flash 9 alpha and Flex Builder 2 have been out for what, two or three months now, if not more. Flash Player 9 has been released, with full AS3 support. So it amazes me that people are still asking if this or that will be possible in Flash 9. It's not the future, it's already here, and I personally don't get how it's possible that some Flash developers have not checked it out already. It's some pretty cool stuff, so do yourself a favour and try it out asap if you haven't already.
What we do not know are what design-time features the Flash 9 ide will have, but the language and player functionality are already known.
While this is still possible, the whole focus of AS3 is OO. So generally you would be coding classes. But if you like coding on frames, go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by everfornever
Again, it's only a preview version. The old components were done in AS1 or AS2, so they wouldn't work with AS3 (well, maybe with localconnection, not sure about that). Flex has it's own set of components, and Flash 9 will have it's own set which are still under development. I have high hopes for them, because Grant Skinner is working on them, as tomsamson already pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by everfornever
mate,there are many reasons why some people don´t jump right into the next language version or the next dev environment. Some i can think of would for example be:
-scared to leave old thing one can use to learn how to do things in new way
-few free time
-doing commercial work and either:
-clients don´t allow using newest technology where the plugin isn´t yet widespread
enough (to their liking)
-no time to switch due to constant project/deadline pressure
Its nice you could get into things early and sure, the earlier one switches over the better (for him) but yeah,better show understanding for those who didn´t get to switch over or even inform themselves about the new things yet and encourage people to switch over, instead of wondering why one didn´t switch yet.
Yeah, you're right, I didn't mean to come over as I did, so I apologize. It's just that I personally was (and still am) very excited about this version. But yeah, I realize that some people don't have the time to check it out early on. So I wasn't trying to flame people for not checking it out, just saying that I personally think it's very cool and everybody should try it asap.
Also, to me it seems like people are still speculating about what new features will be in AS3 or Flash Player 9, which is a bit pointless since it's already been released.
yeah,goodie and yup,think the same :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fall_X
Well,i think it was less speculation regarding the player and the language,probably more that people not into the language yet wanted some more info what one can do with it or not :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fall_X
exactly, I just don't have the time to get my head into as3.0 right now, too busy working on Flash contracts! The reason I started this thread is because I wanted some kind of heads up about whats going to be possible and what kind of area's of development I should be looking into with Flash 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomsamson
2 things stand out to me about F9. Byte streams, and the displaylist, although bytestreams is going to be some advanced stuff. But the display list changes how we all do things, and thats something I will want to learn as quickly as I can once I get into AS3.0.
Its an interesting question, regarding how we all code AS3.0. Right now the options are Flex (I thought that was free? i.e no trial) and that other osflash.org one, I wonder how they the ide will look in the Authoring system. I've never used a stand alone code editor for Flash, as I consider myself a designer/developer so like being able to have quick access to keyframes etc, but I think F9 changes that.
but back to games!.....so what can we expect to see in a years time in F9/AS3 game wise? will there be a spat of simple 3d games? are we going to see more emulators in Flash? (although I don't see the point of that)...where is all this leading to game wise...
flex2 builder is not free,what´s free is the sdk coming with the compiler and some other stuff so that one could use the compiler together with some other (probably free) editor (like flashdevelop) to compile f9 swfs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boombanguk
think on the top notch end we´ll see all sorts of 2d games (finally also lots featuring lots of action going on),lots of fake 3d games and yup,basic 3d games. in 2d games nice physics sims handling several objects or things like a* pathfinding for several units would be examples for what the improved code execution performance could be used,all nice stuff :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boombanguk
ok so here's a question for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomsamson
Could we finally see the birth of a commerical Flash games industry? and by this I mean online game quality games ( not "coffee break games") that people actually pay money to play? I would of thought, F9 makes quality 2D rts games a reality.
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Originally Posted by Boombanguk
There´s already tons of money beeing made with flash games in various ways. So if you want to see it like that there is a flash game industry for quite a while now.
How much that´ll change/get bigger is up to the developers,consumers and publisher side, f9 surely helps on the technical side as it pushes the performance barrier a good bit further and allows to do some things which weren´t quite feasable before.
Why wouldn't you consider the Flash 9 Alpha an option? I think it's very useable. The only thing I'm a bit worried about is whether or not the actual Flash 9 release will be able to open .fla's made with the alpha, but I don't think that should be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boombanguk
yes but come on, you know what I mean. A viable market for quality Flash games, which the general public pay to play. Its something theres been many discussions on here about, and the biggest problem was security and that a lot of developers thought it wasn't possible to do commerical quality games, because technically it wasn't possible and/or the time taken to do them would be too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomsamson
I'm not talking about offline games. I'm not talking about games for ad agencies, and i'm not talking about games for games portals, with the exception of a few are not that great.
So with F9/AS3 maybe that changes. The security issue is still there, but technically there can be no excuses. Now it just comes down to, is it worth 2/3 people spending 3 months on a project? will internet users pay?
I've always said they will, and I think geometry wars proves that. Its retro, abeit with great graphics. Is something close to geometry wars possible in F9/AS3? (no I don't current Flash clones, which don't close), because if it is, then suddenly its going to be possible to make real money from online Flash games, selling direct to public......and thats a whole new situation (one i've been waiting for, for 5 years)
Code execution is a lot faster in AS3, but the rendering is still pretty much the same (you can supposedly improve it a bit more by using sprites instead of movieclips when possible). So there will still be technical issues with performance in graphics-heavy games.
"Is something close to geometry wars possible in F9/AS3?"
I think that's possible in F8 as an offline game.
My current game throws a lot of sprites around, and scrolls a fair sized screen ( It's 448x448 ), and when I set the fps to 60 for the web, it becomes unplayable as a standalone game.
F8 is far from dead as far as game developers are concerned.
Squize.
hey I was just repsonding to your email, when this post came through :)
No, I totally agree I think F8 is bang on perfect for games, and it would be nice if it had enough time to truly grow as a games platform, but how long is it going to have? Also I guess the Flash platform is changing so quickly (relatively) that its hard to know where to pitch your tent.