ADVICE on simple mouth movement

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Originally posted by eyegrabbing
I thought he looked kinda like Jim Nabors - pretty damn funny! I'm a little confused though - what exactly is a parser? And how does one go about correlating the letters and the mouth movements?

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I always figured the lips were out of sync because of the whole translation to english thing. Kinda like good old fashion kunfu movie where the guy is like, "Chen, you fool, You killed my brother. You'll pay." and his lips are saying something else.

I never been too into anime, maily cause i think Dragon Ball Z is the worst piece if crap ever made, but I do love the old school stuff like, Future Boy Conan, Ulysses 31, Tranzor Z (Manzinga Z). (in fact those are my all time favorite works of animation)

That lip movement technique is real interesting though and personally i think i will explore it further... thanks for sharing and by the way, a big congratulations on winning that info pop contest.

-Ibis

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ibis Fernandez
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Originally posted by eyegrabbing
I never been too into anime, maily cause i think Dragon Ball Z is the worst piece if crap ever made, but I do love the old school stuff like, Future Boy Conan, Ulysses 31, Tranzor Z (Manzinga Z). (in fact those are my all time favorite works of animation)

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I think this has to do a lot with the fact that Dragon Ball Z is mainly an animated comic, and not pure animation. Then, many classic American animators look fondly back on some of the UPA stuff (Gerald McBoingBoing? :D)

the more I look around tipatat's website the more it actually interestes me to eplore further into that artfom :)
Of course you know i'm provably gonna basterdize the hell out of it with my own style and influence but damn I've never actually given it any serious consideration until now.


-Ibis
[Edited by Ibis Fernandez on 02-25-2001 at 11:04 PM]

Wow The Giver thats cool, please realese the source code for us all!!

p.s tipatat i love fisticuffs!!! keep up the good work!
p.p.s i also love exclamation marks!!!! she had the baby!!!!(seinfeld neone?)

I really appreciate all the positive feedback about my works ;) and I did want to mention a couple things about anime vs american animation. remember that when you compare animation, it is more accurate to compare movie or feature film animation to movie or feature film anime or tv animation to tv anime. and just in general anime is usually 1/4 the production cost to produce compared to US animation. I personally like the "moving manga" style of tv anime, but if you wanna see more "pure animation," definitely check out anime films and direct to video (OAV) releases like "Akira", "Ninja Scroll", "Macross Plus", "Giant Robo". Of course there are the great Miyazaki animated films too, but he prefers not to consider his works "anime" so as not to confuse his works with the "moving manga" style of tv anime.

How about recording the sound tracks (elements) first. That's how the the toons do it. Then you can watch your mouth movements as you play the sound.

BTW. did I mention I do voices...

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Originally posted by Ibis Fernandez
---- > but I do love the old school stuff like, Future Boy Conan, Ulysses 31 , Tranzor Z (Manzinga Z). (in fact those are my all time favorite works of animation)<----

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Dude..! I've been trying to find Ulysses 31 stuff for ages.. I used to love the series as a kid, but it seems to have dissapeared without trace..! You don't by any chance know of any sites dedicated to "No-no"..? :D

as a matter of fact I have the entire Ulysses 31 series on Mpeg and VCD :)

Any way I'm sending you a separate email after this post.

-Ibis

GIANT ROBO!!!
i love that show, i hated it at first, but the story the development, its just sooooo cool, can't wait until the release of the DVD's!!

p.s the box set is tooooo expensive for me!! AHHHH
p.p.s i saw the fox kids version of Ulysses 31 <shudder>
[Edited by xup878 on 02-27-2001 at 04:09 PM]

Fox kids did a version of Ullysses? Oh man, why..? :confused:

I bet they ditched the ancient greek/futuristic look..! :(

he is reffering to a recent rerun on UK fox kids where i think they liscenced like sixe episodes or somthing like that. Didn't play them in order, and from what I hear in many cases just cut the last part of the shows in order to show something else or was in a tme slot where the channel was a dual shared sygnal and it would change to a different channel in the middle of the show.

Some crap like like that...I would have been so pissed. :)

-Ibis

Oh right.. Is this in the US then...? Man. That sucks.! :(

Ah well. Maybe one day, since the 80's are hip again, they'll show the whole series again, in order. :)

http://board.flashkit.com/board/ Ug.

No not the US the UK somewhere. I hear the same channel is broadcast in part of australia too. With the same results


-Ibis

Ah right. Yeah. Fox kids. channel 35 on cable.

It's 'cos the kids these days have even shorter attention spans.. Everything is neatly wrapped up in one 20 minuite episode these days.. :)

Ah well..

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Originally posted by ThundaChunk
Ah right. Yeah. Fox kids. channel 35 on cable.

It's 'cos the kids these days have even shorter attention spans.. Everything is neatly wrapped up in one 20 minuite episode these days.. :)

Ah well..

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hahaha yeah these new guys dont know nophin' about no "oldschool" hahahahahaha

-ibis

I'm going to make a new footer as a homage to No-No, he was the coolest cartoon roboto about, much cooler than 'prime..

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My attempt at no-no...! :D


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Argh.. I messed it up. Why can't FK BB's be in a mono-spaced font..?!?!?!?!?!?! :confused:

[Edited by thundachunk on 02-28-2001 at 01:52 PM]

over to my email. Love to see it :)

i can SMELL the genius! sounds like some kick*ss maneuvers here!

problem is, i don't understand the steps. i suck at coding and i'm still a novice animator : (

is there a simpler was to explaining your steps?

BigJuicyTeriyaki *feeling like a weiner now*

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Originally posted by The Giver
Hi all,

Eyegrabbing: I couldn't get to your site.

Thundachunk: Pretty cool stuff man

If your going to be doing a lot of these small cartoony animations, then consider doing it programatically (no, it's not a dirty word).

I work for a web development company and may main job is to develop online training. We do most of these using flash. Well, each course is about 3 hrs long and we end up with roughly 250, 20-40 sec, flash files as part of the course. I'm constantly being pressured to make it "snazzy" and interesting while still doing it as quickly as possible and as small as possible.

The current course I'm working on is called "Valuation of Investment Property". As you might can tell this is pretty dull stuff (this course is nothing but handouts and calculations) so what is a guy supposed to do?

Well, I made a quick cartoony approximation of the teachers head and shoulders. And animated it talking to the audience. We're doing this about every 10-15 flash files.

Anyway, to do this by hand everytime would be TIME CONSUMING. So what I did was I typed verbatim what the teacher says in this 30 second snippet, then I run it through a parser (a flash movie). The parser outputs a string that contains only 10 items. A comma for silence and letters for the 9 shapes of the mouth (I used the 9 basic shapes that Ibis described, thanks Ibis!). Also, within the parser, I can tweak the output string. Adding and deleting and what-not..
Finally, all I do is assign a variable in the movie to this string and the animation controller reads it and voila! It's not very sophisticated looking, but people seem impressed by it.

Take a look at a sample here:

http://www.alltel.net/~gking43/mighty.swf

With the parser, and the animation, and mouth symbols already created, the actual movie took ~30 mins to complete

-O Geoffrey King

PS. I did this swf file as a test and I'm wondering how to work it into the course >:)

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