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God does not need or care about your love. That is a very limited way to view both God and loveQuote:
Originally posted by Lauradot
What exactly are you supposed to do with your God, if not .. love him?
I agree with this. Religion is the answer to all. Thats some of why I dont believe.. its just too convient.
Stop with the one liners!! Explain yourself!
You need to have a label or a name on things in your envirnment (world) so that we don't walk around grunting all the time.Quote:
Originally posted by Beyond_Style
That's what I'm trying to point out. All these terms and ideas are man-made. And about your computer peripherals having relationships... well, that's just weird. When I said having a soul equates to the love of god, I meant that they are both man-made and self-serving.
And you're avoiding my questions. I want you to explain what why you think we're here. I know.. to learn. But elaborate, I'm not understanding what you mean exactly.
It would take fffffffffar to long to explain why our souls are here to learn. If this topic pops up in a few weeks then i'll comment because i'll have my new voice to text software installed. In the mean time, the best book on this subject is called "The Seat of the Soul". You can see it here. The library should have it on both the book and CD version.
It's not what you do that counts, it's what you are, and what you are is what you think. You are the sum total of all you have thought. Everything that happens happens first in the mind. Communism first existed as a book. The Ford Model T. existed first on the drawing bord. All civilization, every good and bad thing exists first in the mind and we then give it form by creating a physical or structural semblance of it. We are here to learn how to think...this is how the soul learns.
I think that Mission to Mars is a great movie, and the way it ended was very good.
If you've seen it, then you know how this pertains to this thread. If you haven't, you probably dont have a clue.
The soul does not need a brain (or any other organ) to learn.Quote:
Originally posted by mgb
this is how the soul learns.
Everything that you listed pertains only the this world.
Thanks Fruitloops. I think i'll pick that up. Not that hollywood has any idea of what they are doing, but at least it will b entertaining :)
OK new theory....
What if weve all did bad things, and this is Hell, and we don't know it. THats something to think about.
So then that would make Bill Gates the devil right? :DQuote:
Originally posted by webprodesign
OK new theory....
What if weve all did bad things, and this is Hell, and we don't know it. THats something to think about.
ok, how about this?
why does everyone have to come up with a reason for humans to be here? if there is a "reason" (reason being the ability to think and have opinions) then a higher being musta have put us here, nature does not have "reasons", unless you think of mother nature as a higher being. ok this has nothing to do with my opinion...
my point is, maybe there isnt a reason for us to be here, maybe the world evolved from bacterias to mammals to hominids to humans, and thus life is a biological function, not a reason. our ability to think has allowed up to form societies, morals and ethics by which we are regulated. WE formed the concepts of good and bad, WE created the concept of hedonism and altruism. thus the "reason" for us being here is whatever we want it to be, since its OUR lives and only WE can live it. My reason in life may be different from my neighbor, but both are legitimate and valid, EACH INDIVIDUAL LIVES LIFE AS HE/SHE CHOOSES, and if not, a very sad life it would be.
The flaw in that is that there simply is no link from one species to another, only within species do we see this kind of development. Another thing to concider is that mankind may not have been first started on this planet, but that's a whole other subject.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
maybe the world evolved from bacterias to mammals to hominids to humans, and thus life is a biological function, not a reason
If this is your idea of Hell, then... Hell's alright. There's plenty of happiness to be had, so I'm pretty sure we're not all damned sinners spending eternal life in Hell.
oh yeah about the different species, i just tried to picture evolution from its basics. sorry if it wasnt clear enough.
about humans not being in this planet? ok, ill take that into account:
wherever we came from, be it mars, venus, earth or another galaxy, life is still life, and we are in control (here goes my previous post)
and if someone goes the matrix way and says that life is just a dream, well, then try to have the best dream you can!
To a certain degree, but not totally. Id say about as much control as driving a car over ice.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
and we are in control
oh yeah another thing, this brings me to one of my previous posts in this thread.
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...7&pagenumber=2
some people say that our goal in life is to help others and be altruistic...check out my opinion above...
Our purpose on Eath...
To continue makimg more descendants until we can not contain ourself in this univerise anymore...
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Originally posted by SwishY
To a certain degree, but not totally. Id say about as much control as driving a car over ice.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
and we are in control
well, you have a point. there are too many factors in life that affect our ways of thinking, of acting and in decision making. but we have 2 things also:
choices
the ability to make the final decision (unless youre killed by someone else or mother nature, but we were in control up to there, those are just 'freak' accidents)
if we are not in control of our lives, who is?
destiny? (then read my footer)
[Edited by woohah007 on 03-24-2001 at 11:47 PM]
Our purpose is to question our purpose...
hah, thats really interesting. i like that a lot. (well, i look at it from my point of view from the discussion...bias is a darned thing)Quote:
Originally posted by webprodesign
Our purpose is to question our purpose...
I don't really know. Were all here, and were all doing something, and I want a sandwich,
yeah the thing is, everyone tries to think up a reason for us to be here, so maybe thats our purpose in life: TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT
darn...you made me hungry...ARGHHHHH NO FOOD IN MY ROOM!!!
haha...
In my opinion, I think that we evolved. Im not nessicarrily saying from what, but I think so. I mean I think that people are ignorant to say that every other species of animal evolved from something else EXCEPT humans. I mean, we are soo special (not). Were just like any other animal, excpet that we have a higher learning and thinking abilty.
I think im going to go make a grilled ham and cheese. Yum.
well, that thinking bit makes a hell of a difference, i mean, which other species has reached a social and technological level even remotely close to ours?
the thing is, since humans and/or humanoids held this higher thinking ability, it is unprobable that we would have devolved into 'dumber' animals, dont you think? thus since evolution means 'forward', it seems logical to assume our mental abilities avolved from a dumber state, thus, other animals existing at the time.
The soul needs choices in order to learn.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
but we have 2 things also:
choices
the ability to make the final decision
if we are not in control of our lives, who is?
destiny? [/B]
As far as the control part, if I was to give you this sentence " I went into the car and got my________and then I went into the house to ________it." You could fill that sentence many ways. You could say you went into your car and got my magazine, and then went into the house to read it. That would be one outcome. You could also say you went into the car and got your gun, and went into the house to shoot it. That would be another. You are still in control, but not completely. Life is like this for the soul. Depending on what we fill in the blanks, deturmines if we've learned something or not.
Ahhh! Headache!
I need to go eat my nice hot ham and grilled cheese sandwich now. ahh so suculant, warm, slides right into my stomache.
well, if we're filling in the blanks, we're in control. and the idea of a soul is a belief, you may believe in a soul, i may not (i do actually, but im just trying to look at it objectively) so our opinions would differ.
and i think we will always learn, irrespective of the words we use to fill in the blanks, and if we learn more or learn less, its still our choice
Wow...
It would depend on how you were raised, and what kind of person you are, on what you would fill in those blanks. Your in control to make decioisons, but how you make them are effected by how your life was.
WEBPRODESIGN IS EVIL!!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by webprodesign
Ahhh! Headache!
I need to go eat my nice hot ham and grilled cheese sandwich now. ahh so suculant, warm, slides right into my stomache.
i hear my stomach growling....
so go make a turkey sandwich...
yes....but many people have been raised one way, and chosen a different path in life, everything influences us, but we choose our path, and also what influences us (for example, i have chosen not to be influenced by certain things, like say, smoking, even though the vast majority of my friends do)Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
well, you have a point. there are too many factors in life that affect our ways of thinking, of acting and in decision making. but we have 2 things also:
choices
the ability to make the final decision (unless youre killed by someone else or mother nature, but we were in control up to there, those are just 'freak' accidents)
if we are not in control of our lives, who is?
destiny? (then read my footer)
i dont have any food (im in my dorm...if i was at home id be invading the kitchen by now)Quote:
Originally posted by webprodesign
so go make a turkey sandwich...
Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
yes....but many people have been raised one way, and chosen a different path in life, everything influences us, but we choose our path, and also what influences us (for example, i have chosen not to be influenced by certain things, like say, smoking, even though the vast majority of my friends do)Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
well, you have a point. there are too many factors in life that affect our ways of thinking, of acting and in decision making. but we have 2 things also:
choices
the ability to make the final decision (unless youre killed by someone else or mother nature, but we were in control up to there, those are just 'freak' accidents)
if we are not in control of our lives, who is?
destiny? (then read my footer)
yeah, thats exactly what I said before.
You can choose not to believe that you have a soul, but that doesn't matter to your soul. At least not any more than not beleiveing that you have feet, and then walking across the room.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
well, if we're filling in the blanks, we're in control. and the idea of a soul is a belief, you may believe in a soul, i may not (i do actually, but im just trying to look at it objectively) so our opinions would differ.
and i think we will always learn, irrespective of the words we use to fill in the blanks, and if we learn more or learn less, its still our choice
Everyone has a different (for lack of a better word) script. It all depends on what you need to learn. Even though you will always lern, it does not matter, because what's important is that you learn specific things.
yeah, thats why i quoted myself.....
i thought the same thing
well, by assuming we have a soul like we have feet is a biased assumption, but im not saying that youre wrong.
what are those essential things we must learn in life?
The reason you are is quite simple - to serve and obey me.
I don't think that there is enough evidence to assume anything right now. Im not going to believe anything untill there is evidence. The only think that could possibly be some is the Bible, and everyone if already finding flaws, and what accually happened (especially if you watch the history channel). Untill I see some prof then im going to still be Atheist
well, do you believe in anything you cant see, touch, smell, hear or taste? like love (well, you can taste..uhh, never mind, ignore this post hehehe)
Well, if there is no proof or evidence that something is there, than its probally not. Im not speaking physically, like a bananna or a HOT HAM AND CHEESE SANDWICH, im talking about spirtually. I mean we assume something is there, but where did this assumption come from? Was some old dude sitting in front of a tree, and said "Oh well we should write a big book, of make up stuff so everyone can question it"? I mean come on. What proof is there except the bible?
Everyone has different things.Quote:
Originally posted by woohah007
what are those essential things we must learn in life?