Well regardless of how humble you insist on being, you crew have done a great job with fk, take care, and don't be strangers.
good to meet you scott, you don't be a stranger either, ya here? ;)
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Well regardless of how humble you insist on being, you crew have done a great job with fk, take care, and don't be strangers.
good to meet you scott, you don't be a stranger either, ya here? ;)
very true, fk needs that personal touch, it makes all the difference. I hope it doesn't lose that :)Quote:
Originally posted by David Michie
Much as I found the details of Fennell's day-to-day existence *fascinating* (not) :) at least it was entertaining, and it was a nice personal touch.
personal touch? I hardly ever saw posts from the aforementioned.
just make it work faster, keep the same mods and mod style, and promote more growth via pertinent methods - I don't come to Flashkit.com for Casino ads, I come here for the newest Flash information and conversations...
LOL! I wonder what the click thru ratio is like on those Casino ads? 0.001%?Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick I don't come to Flashkit.com for Casino ads...
Cheers, David.
Ever read the newsletter? :)Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
personal touch? I hardly ever saw posts from the aforementioned.
Maaaaan ... I can't leave ya'll alone for a minute ...
;)
yes. but aversion said FK. newsletters are a part of FK, true enough, but I took it as he meant here, on the boards.Quote:
Originally posted by jezza
Ever read the newsletter? :)Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
personal touch? I hardly ever saw posts from the aforementioned.
I think that internet.com knows full well that the FK community reads those newsletters ;)
I do :p
fine, I could be wrong. just make the servers faster... please.
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Originally posted by LanSite
Maaaaan ... I can't leave ya'll alone for a minute ...
;)
Yay!!! She lives! :)
Great job guys. It was the personal touch that drew me to the coffee lounge in the first place. It's likely that won't continue.:(
Anyways, hope you guys pop in now and then.
LAMO :DQuote:
Originally posted by LanSite
Maaaaan ... I can't leave ya'll alone for a minute ...
;)
Glad to see ya back!
Thanks once again to all the 280,000 people that make this site great. Especially those who manage all our silly commentary here at the boards. Your work never goes unapreciated.
Don't ya'll be strangers now, ya hear? ;)
I think you'll be surprised, I expect that John and Scott will do a great job and in terms of the lounge, not much will really change, at least in terms of the feel of the place. At least give them a chance first before judging.Quote:
Originally posted by thewiz1972
Great job guys. It was the personal touch that drew me to the coffee lounge in the first place. It's likely that won't continue.:(
Anyways, hope you guys pop in now and then.
oh, btw... keep the yellow too :D
I hope so.:)Quote:
Originally posted by jezza
I think you'll be surprised
I agree with jezza on this. I am sure that new admin people will not want to change the community, maybe not even the website it is located on (except to try and improve it).Quote:
Originally posted by jezza
I think you'll be surprised, I expect that John and Scott will do a great job and in terms of the lounge, not much will really change, at least in terms of the feel of the place. At least give them a chance first before judging.Quote:
Originally posted by thewiz1972
Great job guys. It was the personal touch that drew me to the coffee lounge in the first place. It's likely that won't continue.:(
Anyways, hope you guys pop in now and then.
FK is one of Internet.com's biggest drawcards in terms of numbers of hits and visitors, and it is certainly the biggest and most supportive SWF development site on the 'net.
Why change something that is working, even if it generates nothing but a high profile for the site owners.
david p.
Quote:
Originally posted by jezza
I think you'll be surprised, I expect that John and Scott will do a great job and in terms of the lounge, not much will really change, at least in terms of the feel of the place. At least give them a chance first before judging.
Quote:
I agree with jezza on this. I am sure that new admin people will not want to change the community, maybe not even the website it is located on (except to try and improve it).
FK is one of Internet.com's biggest drawcards in terms of numbers of hits and visitors, and it is certainly the biggest and most supportive SWF development site on the 'net.
Why change something that is working, even if it generates nothing but a high profile for the site owners.
david p.
Whoa, everyone's worried, I thought Scott made it pretty clear, in this thread as a matter of fact. Very few changes will be made, outside of server and invisible stuff. The community drives these boards, not the webmaster. If you have a concern, post it in Feedback. I'll be hanging out there and trying to keep up with everything.
Hey, look at it this way, the sheer amount of work that's involved in attending to the webmaster alias and monitoring Feedback will keep me from coming up with any bright ideas :}. Trav was a magician, there were no leftovers when I came in. It's sparkly clean.
The site will remain, Scott and I will have a system down soon enough, and it looks like Jezza and crew will still be here, I think everyone will come out of this happy.
Now, where's that remove-all-worries? button :}
[Edited by jstarkey on 01-11-2002 at 03:44 AM]
Im seriously concerned about the quality of FK.
I dont believe in a Commercialised Community.
The only reason i can think of that Internet.com is taking over FK is money. They are NOT a company that is intrested in Flash.
FK should be what its about, Flash Development and Designer-Get-together meetingpoint. If this is modified in any way by the new staff i will see this community die in less then 11 months.
Just venting my feelings about the take-over.
To the "old" staff; Good things have been happening here, i am very thankfull for all the things you have done, i hope you made the right decisions this time.
Im sorry J starkey, but i feel that this community has already been changed as soon as internet.com showed their face.
[Edited by Cruise on 01-11-2002 at 07:49 AM]
It was always too much to hope for Jezza ;) What has become of bugboy though ... put out to graze in the fields :pQuote:
Originally posted by jezza
Don't fear everyone, you haven't got rid of me yet! :) I will still be around to keep you all on your toes :D
ps A big thanks to Trav for all the effort he put in over the last few months, most of which goes unnoticed by everyone.
This is exactly how I feel... my message just never came across as clearly as yours :PQuote:
Originally posted by Cruise
Im seriously concerned about the quality of FK.
I dont believe in a Commercialised Community.
The only reason i can think of that Internet.com is taking over FK is money. They are NOT a company that is intrested in Flash.
FK should be what its about, Flash Development and Designer-Get-together meetingpoint. If this is modified in any way by the new staff i will see this community die in less then 11 months.
Just venting my feelings about the take-over.
To the "old" staff; Good things have been happening here, i am very thankfull for all the things you have done, i hope you made the right decisions this time.
Im sorry J starkey, but i feel that this community has already been changed as soon as internet.com showed their face.
[Edited by Cruise on 01-11-2002 at 07:49 AM]
We'll soon see.
--Tiana
I don't wanna highjack Scill's thunder. the thread was about them, and how good of a job they did. I'll try to clarify a few things and then ask that we take this to Feedback, if the mods feel it's more appropriate. I'll be happy to answer anything I can. I'll leave the forum up to the mods, though.Quote:
Originally posted by Cruise
Im seriously concerned about the quality of FK.
I dont believe in a Commercialised Community.
The only reason i can think of that Internet.com is taking over FK is money. They are NOT a company that is intrested in Flash.
FK should be what its about, Flash Development and Designer-Get-together meetingpoint. If this is modified in any way by the new staff i will see this community die in less then 11 months.
Just venting my feelings about the take-over.
Im sorry J starkey, but i feel that this community has already been changed as soon as internet.com showed their face.
[Edited by Cruise on 01-11-2002 at 07:49 AM]
Internet.com is all about web development. So Flash is of interest. Not sure I follow you on that point. Take a head count of internet.com's websites and the content. I think you'll see my point.
As I say in a previous post, and is apparent everywhere, the community is the site. What interest would it be for internet.com to change this community? I see a pretty phenomenal one already, myself.
In 11 months, our intentions are for the smilie count to be quadrupled :} So whatever it takes for that to happen, is what will be done.
The internet.com change: what things did internet.com change, that you don't like?
And Scill, I would also like to commend the AU team, from the inside and as the new webmaster. You did a great job. To handle the load that this site does, the growth rate and all the content, is not an easy task. I wish you all the best, and look forward to seeing you around. Oh, type all your webmaster alias nasty messages in lowercase so they're easily distinguishable from the usual allcaps :}
Let's see... #1 change on my list is they found that the jobs forum on the site was in direct competition to another one of the sites they sponsor, and so basically the jobs forum was closed.Quote:
Originally posted by jstarkey
The internet.com change: what things did internet.com change, that you don't like?
Now, the job links provided at FK are almost soley for Americans. I've tried searching and it is useless for those OUTSIDE of the US.
I mean, even the search criteria on jobs.webdeveloper.com has all the american states listed, and then one link for 'the rest'
anyways... I am leaving this tread...
it has be hijacked enough...
The australian team had my support all the way... and as long as they stay around a bit... then I'll be happy..
Bugboy will never be retired!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by jamble7000
It was always too much to hope for Jezza ;) What has become of bugboy though ... put out to graze in the fields :p
Thanks for all the good work on Flash Kit and keep it up. Also maybe add an international job forum.
I'll still be around if it makes any difference :)Quote:
Originally posted by TianaKaeSha
The australian team had my support all the way... and as long as they stay around a bit... then I'll be happy..
are you threatening me? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by jezza
I'll still be around if it makes any difference :)
1. Oversized Casino banner ads (How is this of interest to Flash developers?)Quote:
Originally posted by jstarkey
The internet.com change: what things did internet.com change, that you don't like?
2. More than 50 links to other internet.com sites on the homepage.
3. Announcements section begins with "Today On internet.com" instead of *real* announcements that would be of interest to the Flash community.
4. "Latest Headlines" regurgitated from internetnews.com
5. Jobs forums closed (as previously mentioned).
6. Serious lack of content in the Announcements section.
I realise a lot of this happened before the Aussies left the scene, but the internet.com logo has been slowly spreading across the home page since the takeover.
My advice: Remove the internet.com logo, remove at least half the internet.com links and "news items", kill the casino banner ads, and make it look like a community site again.
Seriously, what is the point in making FlashKit look like all the other internet.com sites? You will kill the goose that laid the golden egg!
Cheers, David.
These are all valid points. I don't want to bite the hand that has fed me, but some of the focus of the site has been shifted from Flash to the various interests of internet.com.Quote:
Originally posted by David Michie
1. Oversized Casino banner ads (How is this of interest to Flash developers?)
2. More than 50 links to other internet.com sites on the homepage.
3. Announcements section begins with "Today On internet.com" instead of *real* announcements that would be of interest to the Flash community.
4. "Latest Headlines" regurgitated from internetnews.com
5. Jobs forums closed (as previously mentioned).
6. Serious lack of content in the Announcements section.
And I also realize you guys have to make a buck, but some of the advertising stunts of late were quite appalling.
The incessant pop up for some rabbit something or other (goes to show how effective pop up advertising is. I saw the damn thing 50 times and I still don't know what it was selling). Who's idea was that?
I know I'm ranting a bit here, but when I first came here, this place was pure and now it's not.
I know it's not going to go back to the way it was, I'm just nostagic I guess.
Everyone is *****ing about internet.com
Seriously, I dont really care for it either. I wouldnt want it on top of my ice cream sundae.
BUT
I have a feeling that flashkit wouldnt be here now if it weren't for internet.com
They wouldnt have as many members and resources that they can have with the support of i.com
Dont ya think??? Why else would FK have made them an investor in the first place???
Deal with it folks. Thats just the way it is. Thats the way business is. And Im sure the community will stay the same for the most part.
But what do I know. heh
Certainly am! :)Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
are you threatening me? ;)
I take it you never took a course in advertising? Thats a nice idea you have, but only viable if we lived in a utopia where all big coorporations paid the bandwidth bills to huge portal sites just to contribute to the happiness and well being of a community.Quote:
Originally posted by David Michie
My advice: Remove the internet.com logo, remove at least half the internet.com links and "news items", kill the casino banner ads, and make it look like a community site again.
Granted, that's fair enough but the problem arises when you have a huge network of sites like internet.com with many conflict of interest scenarios arising within them. This can lead to sites effectively being "skinned" to ensure compliance with the strategies of others. In this context, internet.com may choose to remove features/content which they see as competitive with another member of their network but which was useful for FK members.
That is the biggest change to consider when something switches from being a community to a commercial venture. But internet.com do have a lot of experience etc etc so one would hope (and almost assume) that they would look after the site in its current state. After all, if they have invested $XX.Xm in the venture, why would they choose to destroy it? they're going to be far more intelligent than that.
i think this has to be true, even with internet.com's servers flashkit seems to just be breaking even if that. The problem for me comes in the kind of advertising we get, i mean, does anyone here visit online casinos and liquor ads?? It's just a waste of their money to advertise on here, why aren't we getting ads from mm and adobe, or erain?? There's stuff out there that i AM interested in but online casinos ain't one of them! It seems to me that this is a perfectly targeted market, we're all different ages and from different places but the one thing we have in common? The internet and an interest in it, flash development and potentially anything related to that. There are all sorts of other communities and sites within internet.com that we could be encouraged to check out.. like javascript.com, relevant stuff.Quote:
Originally posted by Visionray
I have a feeling that flashkit wouldnt be here now if it weren't for internet.com
i haven't even visited the front page for months, and i bet most other people here come straight to the boards. The front page used to interest me, i read the news items and i looked forward to a new featured site. Now though, i just don't bother, the featured sites are usually pants (not sure if we can blame internet.com for this though) and the news just seems to be fairly generic 'news' not the kind of thing i come here for plus i know that if i click one of those links i'm gonna be taken to another site. No thanks.
i still look thru the tutes and the open source but the front page doesn't seem to have anything for me anymore.
i know that advertising is pretty much the only thing generating money for internet.com from flashkit (though i'm sure jezza has volunteered himself) and i would rather we got a thread together to click thru these stupid casino banners once everytime we visit fk. That way we can help to solidify flashkit and make sure the ads don't have to get any worse. I know that it sounds a bit dodgy and deceitful but sooo many sites do this kind of thing, you always see the 'please visit my sponsor' messages at the top of sites. Why shoudln't we make an effort to help out here? It would cost us nothing.
The only other way to do it is if WE as FK users were to pay a subscription to FK. Out of the ~ 250k users, lets say a quarter were to pay, and if we all payed $4.50 a month, that's still US$3.37m p.a which I am SURE is enough to finance this site which, if existing as a community funded by the community would be free of ads and other commercial things. In effect, we would be the first website community to "buy itself" out of a VC holding?
Perhaps we could even nominate the lead FK'ers to become the "management" etc etc etc
But that his the only way to have FK as a community. I personally would not be averse to paying $4.50 per month to use this site, and I am sure many others wouldn't either.
sigh...it had to happen didn;t it :(
to the team responsible for bringing fk to this point....thank you for everything :)
lets all hope that fk remains the same even though it's now American owned.
Bye bye, it has been a great time. The show must go on.
Quote:
Originally posted by vikasshah
The only other way to do it is if WE as FK users were to pay a subscription to FK. Out of the ~ 250k users, lets say a quarter were to pay, and if we all payed $4.50 a month, that's still US$3.37m p.a which I am SURE is enough to finance this site which, if existing as a community funded by the community would be free of ads and other commercial things. In effect, we would be the first website community to "buy itself" out of a VC holding?
Perhaps we could even nominate the lead FK'ers to become the "management" etc etc etc
But that his the only way to have FK as a community. I personally would not be averse to paying $4.50 per month to use this site, and I am sure many others wouldn't either.
You know? Why pay us, when you can click on a banner? Yeah, most people aren't happy about the casinos, but who is out there trying to out bid them? Noone, because there are millions of impressions and minimal click thrus. If you wanna keep flashkit alive, click the banner. Eventually someone will out bid the casino.
There are a lot of younger folks here, who contribute a lot, but aren't able to afford a monthly.
The thing we ask, and is best to keep this going, is for you to click on a banner everytime we give you something you want/like. This is going to make us wanna make you estatic, trust me. 10 seconds and one click is minimal.
You know, I missed the part above, where you calculate 25% of the members paying a few dollars. Sorry about that. But that would be even harder to set up than the 100%, so I can't see them doing it. If everyone feels strongly, though, keep it going and I'll pitch it to them.
[Edited by jstarkey on 01-12-2002 at 06:22 AM]
Just a quick note to everyone worried that this change in management will affect the site adversely.
Internet.com have owned the site for a long time now, somewhere in the order of a year. Yes, there were changes when they bought the site, some good, some bad. The important thing was, the site lived on and continued to prosper in many ways.
Since the time internet.com bought the site until now, the crew in .au have continued to manage the day to day running of the site, however the owners have also had a big say in what goes on (it is, afterall, their site). All that has happened now is that they have taken over the day to day running of the site. Internet.com have had all this time to make the changes they wanted, if there was something significant they wanted to change, they would have done it long ago. The conclusion to this in my opinion: you won't see any major changes as a result of this move. I honestly don't know what everyone is so worried about. I think John and Scott will do a great job (in the tradition of the previous webmasters) and they have already set hard to work (much of which is not available yet out there to all of you but trust me, it is going on). I think some people are unfairly writing them off already without even giving them a chance to prove themselves and that is a pretty piss-poor attitude.
You know, here's a trick for you, if you wanna keep internet.com in check.
Start clicking on banners. Let the suits get comfortable with the click thrus. Then, use it to your advantage. If you like something I/we do, click. If you don't, then don't click. If you stop clicking, your going to see me freaking out, trying to figure out what I did wrong, and how I can make it good. If you want a quicker effect, start a thread about your issue and then slow down on the clicking.
If there's no click thrus now, and none when there's a problem, what's the difference?
Feel the force. It's all around you, hidden in adversity :} You will eventually have the big corporations by the nuggies :} It's true, the strength is in the numbers :}
i agree with this, as i said before clicking on the banners is pretty damn easy and achieves a lot. If everyone who visited the forums clicked a banner once a day flashkit would probably be in a much better position.Quote:
Originally posted by jstarkey
If there's no click thrus now, and none when there's a problem, what's the difference?
all you have to do is click, wait for it to load then close. Not much to ask for the community really.
Steve - you say that agan and I'll beat you over the head wth a pointy stick!Quote:
Originally posted by Scills
Thanks I think. FK is about the community, the people who contribute and use the site. We are not important.
Please do! :)Quote:
Originally posted by TheEnigma
Steve - you say that agan and I'll beat you over the head wth a pointy stick!