dope? indeed.
pope? nope.
slope?
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dope? indeed.
pope? nope.
slope?
I agree with you totally. The dude just doesnt get the point. He said he is a 'flash developer'. Developers are not always designers, I rest my case. If you are a TRAINED designer, then you will understand the art behind the flash. The art comes first, then the development, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally posted by bvgroote
when you learn a little more about flash you will understand the site is more than just that :)
:-)
I'm a Flash designer and boy are you mixed up. You think the art comes first? Thats a dead give away that you have never worked a day in your life.Quote:
Originally posted by clews30
I agree with you totally. The dude just doesnt get the point. He said he is a 'flash developer'. Developers are not always designers, I rest my case. If you are a TRAINED designer, then you will understand the art behind the flash. The art comes first, then the development, not the other way around.
:-)
I already said the animation was great. The rest I dont care for.
Please enjoy the site. Its ok also to not like it.
Quote:
Originally posted by cwflash
I'm a Flash designer and boy are you mixed up. You think the art comes first? Thats a dead give away that you have never worked a day in your life.
I already said the animation was great. The rest I dont care for.
Please enjoy the site. Its ok also to not like it.
That made me laugh so hard I almost cried. Never worked a day in my life....lol! You know nothing!
You obviously have not been to Art School, and thats okay. Just dont make statements like that when you dont know what you are talking about. Ive been in the design industry for 9years buddy, and Ive used flash from the beginning. When I say the art comes first I mean the concepts, the vision behind the functionality. Thats my point. You are naive to think the art comes secondary to it. Thats why theres so many poor sites around. The good ones are the ones that focus on the art first.
Started in 94' huh? Let me guess in high school right? I have a BA in Art and I work for Autodesk. Look and feel are certainly considerations in the functionality and architecture stages. You almost have it right. Well no your a total moron.Quote:
Originally posted by clews30
That made me laugh so hard I almost cried. Never worked a day in my life....lol! You know nothing!
You obviously have not been to Art School, and thats okay. Just dont make statements like that when you dont know what you are talking about. Ive been in the design industry for 9years buddy, and Ive used flash from the beginning. When I say the art comes first I mean the concepts, the vision behind the functionality. Thats my point. You are naive to think the art comes secondary to it. Thats why theres so many poor sites around. The good ones are the ones that focus on the art first.
Look dude you attacked me and your looking like a little dope kid so just stop, OK? I will unsubscribe if that helps.
Calm down.
Thats the nicest thing ive seen in a long, long time, but as allways when new things come a lot of ppl dont/cant appreciate it, it allways has and allways will.
I am perfectly happy liking pieces of art, music. movies food etc..that others don't like. I dont get bent out of shape when they dont like what I like. Sorry If I dont find paper dolls fu$king and people playing with each-others heads interesting or even creative. I find it stupid. I like a LOT of different kinds of music and art. I am very open minded about it. Over time that site will annoy me even more. You find merit in it and thats all you need to worry about.Quote:
Originally posted by phreakdevil
Calm down.
Thats the nicest thing ive seen in a long, long time, but as allways when new things come a lot of ppl dont/cant appreciate it, it allways has and allways will.
Who are Autodesk??Quote:
Originally posted by cwflash
Started in 94' huh? Let me guess in high school right? I have a BA in Art and I work for Autodesk.
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yes what is Autodesk?Quote:
Originally posted by breadlegs
Who are Autodesk??
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cwflash, I don't mean to be rude but if you could just calm down maybe we could talk about what you find so dislikeable about it. Swearing is not really needed to emphasise your viewpoint on the site. What is your view on it anyway, it seems as if at first you admired the video in it and now you are slowly moving away from the idea.
I like how the movement of the figures is executed and the way that it is sped up to reach a certain section with content. I think that the actual "plot" is not so much important but it does reflect the designers style.
Abstract art is always challenging the viewer with some kind of hidden message (almost always anyhow) maybe you just can't see this one? :)
He, youre funny, dont worry about me worrying about me, just dont watch kill bill, it may be too strong.Quote:
Originally posted by cwflash
I am perfectly happy liking pieces of art, music. movies food etc..that others don't like. I dont get bent out of shape when they dont like what I like. Sorry If I dont find paper dolls fu$king and people playing with each-others heads interesting or even creative. I find it stupid. I like a LOT of different kinds of music and art. I am very open minded about it. Over time that site will annoy me even more. You find merit in it and thats all you need to worry about.
Already saw it. It kicked ass.Quote:
Originally posted by phreakdevil
He, youre funny, dont worry about me worrying about me, just dont watch kill bill, it may be too strong.
I thought the site was brilliant, as are the creators peronal sites.
I think one of the biggest challenges for making an amazing site is originality, which these guys nail with their work each time. If the message cries for something funky and deconstructive, work it, if the message cries for something typical and mundane like 98% of us (me included) do, then great too.
Art comes first, has to, program later, design is all about art and this site is about that in my opinion. I love it. Art is about communicating a message, whatever the message may be, from the voice of the artist/desginer. These guys chose this voice... so nicely done.
Heard of AutoCAD ? or 3DStudio MAX ? Combustion? Cleaner? Plasma? They are a very large but very cool design software company in 32 countries. I create online training or them using Flash and a bunch of other software.Quote:
Originally posted by bvgroote
yes what is Autodesk?
cwflash, I don't mean to be rude but if you could just calm down maybe we could talk about what you find so dislikeable about it. Swearing is not really needed to emphasise your viewpoint on the site. What is your view on it anyway, it seems as if at first you admired the video in it and now you are slowly moving away from the idea.
I like how the movement of the figures is executed and the way that it is sped up to reach a certain section with content. I think that the actual "plot" is not so much important but it does reflect the designers style.
Abstract art is always challenging the viewer with some kind of hidden message (almost always anyhow) maybe you just can't see this one? :)
I am actually feeling very calm (which I dont like, not good for the creative side:)) I feel embarrassed when people that are suppose to be my peers have no clue about the actual process involved in making a successful project. I dont know if you are in the job market but it sucks for a lot of people that are in your field right now. I want my field to be full of knowledgeable designers that have a clue about the process. That way we can all charge the big bucks and make a living out of this!:D Like I am fortunate enough to be doing right now.
My opinion has not changed from when I first saw it. I really don't like it when people dismiss others work as crap just cause they dont like the content or find it meaningless. So...I do appreciate the huge effort and creativity involved in that site. I also appreciate the technical aspects of it. The rest is well, blaaa, as far as I am concerned.
i have not heard one intelligible thing from you or anyone else why this is site is so inspirational to you? Beyond: "it made my day" "it was cool" "I like the porno!" Then maybe I can glean the deeper meaning of this art piece.
dont worry about it cwflash, i know i've seen my share of sites that i didnt like but everyone eltse seemed to think was amazing...
i just like the site because its such a strange dream-like atmosphere, wich you really dont see much of on the web... also i think it would be pretty hard technically to acheive the speeding up/slowing down of the navigation smoothly like that, so thats why i like it, but everyone has their own opinions.
Cant say I liked the site that much either. Cut outs reminded me of the centre of the world site hi Rez did yrs ago. More chicks on that site too, much better execution overall. I liked a link on there more than I did that site:
http://www.martin-h.com/
Autodesk(Think AutoCAD & Discreet products):
http://www.autodesk.com or http://www.autodesk.co.uk etc etc
A architect might like this type of site more....
http://www.knoll.com/a3i/launch_flash.html
jAY-R
This is very cool: www.knoll.comQuote:
Originally posted by <subQuestion>
Cant say I liked the site that much either. Cut outs reminded me of the centre of the world site hi Rez did yrs ago. More chicks on that site too, much better execution overall. I liked a link on there more than I did that site:
http://www.martin-h.com/
Autodesk(Think AutoCAD & Discreet products):
http://www.autodesk.com or http://www.autodesk.co.uk etc etc
A architect might like this type of site more....
http://www.knoll.com/a3i/launch_flash.html
jAY-R
Nice product too. I guess I am more attracted to things that have substance and a reality behind them even if it is an "artistic" site. Its actually much harder to present practical information artistically then it is to create something that is purely creative.
www.martin-h.com - this is nice too!
:crazy: that wore me out, and chalk it up to my prudish sensibilities but I found it offensive.
really?Quote:
Originally posted by cwflash
i have not heard one intelligible thing from you or anyone else why this is site is so inspirational to you? Beyond: "it made my day" "it was cool" "I like the porno!" Then maybe I can glean the deeper meaning of this art piece.
Quote:
]Originally posted by bvgroote
I like how the movement of the figures is executed and the way that it is sped up to reach a certain section with content. I think that the actual "plot" is not so much important but it does reflect the designers style.
the most unique flash site I have ever seen. Very inspiring.
I can do the same thing with my DVD playerQuote:
Originally posted by bvgroote
really?
:p
Thats it? ok.
:rolleyes:
Artistically and flashacologically it's pretty damn good. From a marketing standpoint, it's suicidal. I could be wrong though, maybe it's good salesmanship to wave full-throttle homosexuality or relationship status ("back together in love blah blah...") in the face of your prospects. Perhaps in So Cal or NY it's important to prove how friggin outrageous and tasteless you can be. Some do judge artists by just how whacked they act.
I'll try that: "My wife and I are back together and in love, and we want to design for you. Please trust me with your company's hard-won image". Then I'll have her shake her ass on the screen during transitions, and say "what's up baby" on mouse-over. Yeah, killer plan.
I know we're all supposed to worship gmunk, but please.
Again, nice art, poor marketing IM<worthless>HO.
I like the way the video moves back and forth when I push a buttons. Thats why its so cool. It moves real fast hehe.Quote:
Originally posted by bvgroote
:rolleyes:
Its a piece of ****. Its not artistic nor is it interesting. I looked at it again and it sux more with each viewing.
The below is funny and true. That is a marketing nightmare. I guess not if you target market is gay porn.
You are the epitomy of shallow
have a nice day :)
LOL. Did you guys see that they put some of your posts on the site? Fantastic!! Love it! I accept.
I feel embarrassed when people that are suppose to be my peers have no clue about the actual process involved in making a successful project. I dont know if you are in the job market but it sucks for a lot of people that are in your field right now. I want my field to be full of knowledgeable designers that have a clue about the process. That way we can all charge the big bucks and make a living out of this!:D Like I am fortunate enough to be doing right now.
Okay, you really need to stop undermining peoples experience in the design feild. For one, you are the most arrogant, self-centered individual who thinks he knows it all. You assume that your 'peers' or people that might just happen to get inspirtaion from something YOU dont like...'have no clue'. Is it you that might perhaps be a little insecure of your abilities as a designer? Therefore, its easy for you to rip others down...that my boy is a classic case of an inexperienced designer. It certainly comes across that way anyway. You make assumptions of my age in a previous post, thinking I started design in high school. You have no clue of what Ive done in the past, my prestigious client base, anything about me.
There are lots of talented designers out there that could make you look like a 'high school' kid. What makes you think you have a 'clue about the process'...do you really? Or is it just your small minded opinion.
Awesome.
If this site's about nothing:
Seinfeld was also about nothing.
It now enjoys gazillions in syndication.
Quote:
Originally posted by juxtaflo
LOL. Did you guys see that they put some of your posts on the site? Fantastic!! Love it! I accept.
Wow!
i went to check it out and looked arround for the messages.. found some more... and found the site more interesting...
To wefail: Can you make an interactive poster of your site so i can put it on my wall?
They failed to do an interview here:
OrganicFlash
cwflash, what makes you believe you are above everyone else here?
get over yourself.
im not here to argue, im just hear to take part in the design community on flashkit... nothing more, nothing less, why ***** about a website?
and as for design/art, thats a question thats been running for years.
as for the site, i think its a nice piece of expression, and a good promotion for the shirts.
sounds are good, artwork is good.
but this is just another site made to get a reaction from the community, which i guess it has done.
inspiration from tracey emin i see....
Quote:
What would like to not communicate with WEFAIL.?
Martin: That our Design principles are heavily based in Art , we re not artists. It s graphic design.
Jordan: Oooh. Martin is very anti-art in this respect and I find it
interesting. Personally I think flash as an art form needs a special
identifier. A word that will instill in people the grave importance
of works such as WEFAIL. I've twisted my brain on this one and
believe I have come up with something both noble and which instills
the super importance and above all the high seriousness of works
such as WEFAIL: FLART... and of course that would make us FLARTISTS.
Martin: Yeah, I like that term, we re Modern FLARTISTS. Well worked out Jordan.
so as far as i see form this they dont know whay they made the site, other than to promote thier t-shirts.
martin first says that thier work is not heavily art based, but is graphic design.
then later says he is a modern flartist... (flash artist)
therefore creating art with flash, but if he is a graphic designer how does he work that one out?
I think that they being playful and want you to know that they do not take themselves to seriously.
Maybe that is a disguise though. Maybe like all of us they want the lovin and protect themselves in case they don't get the lovin.
I happily and respectfully give them the lovin.
Kurt
no, I'm not a pyschotherapist, but I'm married to Dr. Phil.
oh i know they dont take themselves seriously.
anyone thats a cowboy (he's from texas and a rodeo so he must be :P) and a flashdesigner cant possibly be serious ;) lol
I thought it was very interesting..haven't seen anything else like it. Graphics were very cool and hip.
But, I thought it was hard to navigate..the voice over stuff was irritating, and after spending a few minutes on the site, I still have no idea what their product was or why I should come back ever again.
lol the site has worked in part though....Quote:
Originally posted by phenomenalCat
I thought it was very interesting..haven't seen anything else like it. Graphics were very cool and hip.
But, I thought it was hard to navigate..the voice over stuff was irritating, and after spending a few minutes on the site, I still have no idea what their product was or why I should come back ever again.
they are promoting a t-shirt site that they plug constantly in every other interview.
this, i guess, was just a creative outburst for that.
w-o-w. COOL
strange i actually heard he is the worlds greatest breaker,Quote:
Originally posted by Onionboy
anyone thats a cowboy (he's from texas and a rodeo so he must be :P) lol
we'll saw him gettin down on his own RAVE launch party..
pistol grippin BREAKIN cowboy
WORD!
If you read back on how all this got started you will see that you actually accused me of somehow not knowing enough about Flash to understand or like the site. you could not except the fact that I simply didn't care for the site. I explained that I completely appreciated the work and technical abilities but the content to me, sucked. This some how got your panties in a bunch and now you are calling me arrogant and unexperienced.Quote:
Originally posted by clews30
I feel embarrassed when people that are suppose to be my peers have no clue about the actual process involved in making a successful project. I dont know if you are in the job market but it sucks for a lot of people that are in your field right now. I want my field to be full of knowledgeable designers that have a clue about the process. That way we can all charge the big bucks and make a living out of this!:D Like I am fortunate enough to be doing right now.
Okay, you really need to stop undermining peoples experience in the design feild. For one, you are the most arrogant, self-centered individual who thinks he knows it all. You assume that your 'peers' or people that might just happen to get inspirtaion from something YOU dont like...'have no clue'. Is it you that might perhaps be a little insecure of your abilities as a designer? Therefore, its easy for you to rip others down...that my boy is a classic case of an inexperienced designer. It certainly comes across that way anyway. You make assumptions of my age in a previous post, thinking I started design in high school. You have no clue of what Ive done in the past, my prestigious client base, anything about me.
There are lots of talented designers out there that could make you look like a 'high school' kid. What makes you think you have a 'clue about the process'...do you really? Or is it just your small minded opinion.
Neither are even remotely true. Sorry wrong again. You made comments with an air of absolute knowledge about the process that were inaccurate saying once again that I was somehow not as knowledgeable as you.. Your right, I should not have made comments about your being in high school but this is the way a kid reacts and responds.
I dont think I am better than anyone. In fact I am in awe of what people do with Flash everyday. I am however a very competent designer with tons of real world experience with large and small corporations. Hardly means I know everything but maybe I do know something?
I would love to see your prestigious portfolio I am always looking for inspiration.
Thanks
how long did it take to download for you?
I gave up after 10 mins when about 10% had loaded. I'm only on a 56 dial up modem.