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I wonder how many people that complain about gun control laws have actually shot a gun? It's stupid to complain about something you know nothing about. Sadly it's true. Gun control laws should be tightened on those that get them illegally...but thats the point they get them ILLEGALLY, so...there just gonna go though the system now to get it legally...We all know better than that.
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Originally Posted by tidenburg
Yep.
Why? Because I'm a gun totin' trigger-happy dirty rawhide Cowboy!
GIDDYUP!! YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! I'll meetcha behind the saloon at dawn, we're gonna have a shootout!
Seriously, I've never owned a gun, have only fired a gun once - my redneck uncle's shotgun. I'm not into guns. But I don't see the point in outlawing them at all, and I respect the fact that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are normal, law abiding citizens. There are a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone else. By principle, I don't agree with policies that attempt to punish the masses because of the irresponsible few.
Aye, but thats what it is Visionray. "Majority rule, minority rights" One person gets offended so we all got to suffer. Just like that "under god" thing. If the supreme court would have been forced to rule it would have been taken out. It took so long cuz they wanted to find a loophole to get out of on the ruling, would have pissed of alot of people cuz of one step-father that got offended FOR his son and his son didn't really care. How this world goes it seems. Or the US atleast
Stop over my place... We are still due for our annual bear run through our yard. You can sit up on the deck and watch them try to destroy my fences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
It would be cool.....if I didn't have to fix the damn fences every year...
Actually, two years ago we had a bear enter the yard and my kids were also in the yard. That was the first time that I ever though about taking on a bear without a gun (I had a knife on me and that was all), not something I want to think about again.
The first part of that story is funny EVP, the second is a bit worrisome.
Just to make things clear. He moved to the USA in 1992, when he was 8 years old. But he had a south korean citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
yes indeed. Folks, he must have been "americanized" into being a blood thirsty killer. If only he had stayed in South Korea, my guess is he would have been an upstanding citizen. In other words, our gun laws made this guy go ballistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
How's the saying go again? When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
I thought I might get such a reaction. I didn't say anything about that he must be an American, nor do I have that opinion. Just got the feeling that many people think that he was just an exchange student, and I have read some comments other places that are almost racist because of this.Quote:
yes indeed. Folks, he must have been "americanized" into being a blood thirsty killer. If only he had stayed in South Korea, my guess is he would have been an upstanding citizen. In other words, our gun laws made this guy go ballistic.
The weapons used in the massacre were legally obtained.
The assailant did not have a criminal history. He was entitled to purchase the weapon. At one time the 19 round clip was illegal however the law expired.
For all the talk of gun laws not removing illegal guns on the market. Legal guns were used.
It's not the only massacre were legal guns were used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...151105,00.html
Lets not forget Columbine.
The guns were aquired via a straw purchase
EG someone legally bought the guns for the kids.
Also remember most illegal guns in the U.S. were once legal..
Hard to understand what's going on in these people's heads... Why does someone goes into classrooms and kills dozens of innocent people?
I really don't think it matters if the guns were obtained legally or illegally. If he didn't buy them legally he would have gotten some illegally. Even if it was illegal to own any type of weapon, people would still get them.
It's headed right for us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
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EVP- You wouldn't use a glock 9mm on a bear would you?
Chances are you'd use something that would only require one shot.
Something that had a longer range.
That is impossible to prove and doesn't match up with his loner profile. If someone is going to sell a weapon illegallyQuote:
Originally Posted by blazes816
(as in Columbine)They try to get to know the buyer. Somehow I don't see a Korean kid trying to get aquainted with illegal gun sellers. Strolling the hood, or trying to blend in at a redneck bar.
As a legal owner of guns, that's been trained to use a gun... it's funny how a gun is the last thing I think about whenever it comes down to protecting my house.
I've been threatened in this house before... and now with my father gone, the threats have now become a totally different item... I do the protection for my mother, not my father. When it was just me... hell, take the gadgets, leave the computers, take the money, take everything else for all I care.
Now? I'm in a different situation where it's my family that would have to be protected... and you're going to feel pain real quick if you place me in that situation.
Now... for the people saying that if the crook didn't have a fun, you wouldn't either. What do you people die of with harsher gun laws?
Actually... forget that. Let's just say people still happen to die because the crook possessed something that was deadly. Outlaw knives yet? Outlaw swords yet? Outlaw blunt objects yet?
No, no and no.
Instead the crooks in your country still rob people. I've been held at gunpoint in Turkey, knifepoint in the UK, France, and Germany... I've been threatened by a homemade bomb in the Ivory Coast... and I've been on the other side of an angry ass dog while in Italy.
I've seen gun crimes in countries that don't really even allow them. I've seen guns in Japan.
It still happens no matter how "hard" your laws are. Otherwise, you are declaring publicly that your system works "all of the time"... and stats declare otherwise.
Everytime you tell a little story about your trips overseas just makes me want to contact a film studio more so we can make your life into a mini series.
Saying: "well if no one owned guns this wouldn't have happened" is asinine.
The gun exists and nothing can change that, you cant put the cat back in the bag.
Getting rid of all guns cant be the answer, even if aliens came here and transported all the guns into the sun i would just go into my garage and build another one.
There are thousands of ways to kill allot of people quickly, the gun is just the most convenient way.
not often but once is enough. I guess it is such a minority that the deaths, I would have been one most likely, is enough for some people to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
you are thinking of hunting a bear, not a bear hunting you. When a bear is hunting you usually don't see it till it is a wee bit closer... and only a headshot is going to take down a bear if you are talking single shots (and even then maybe not). And that is not something you want to count on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
how do you know, have you purchased many guns illegally? How many drug dealers try to get to know their buyers? Some do, some don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
I thought they all did it to make friends.
A gun isn't going to deter someone who's aim is to kill as many people and then die.
In fact, if the police or a member of the public don't finish it off, the gunman usually does it themselves. Dunblane and Hungerford, both happened here in the UK, are good examples.
For robbers it's a different story, but for the suicidally and homicidally insane, it makes no difference whatsoever.
That's the problem with deterrents, they work best with the people least likely to commit the crime.
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Originally Posted by EVPohovich
According to one source, Texas is in the middle. And from my admittedly brief perusal of the state by state gun laws, most of those with more lax laws are higher in the death rate chart. There are a couple of exceptions of course, there always are, but usually the exceptions serve to highlight the overall trends.
And are my eyes deceiving me (wouldn't be the first time), but is there a similar pattern with state rankings in Aggravated assaults.
Robbery and rape, seems to be a mixed bag, which may have something to do with the city/urban influence, no? Not so clear on those.
And internationally? Murder rate per capita. The US is keeping some mighty interesting company at the top of that table.
Now I don't think anyone would argue that gun laws are the sole contributor to such crimes. However it does seem hard to believe (hence why almost everyone outside the US doesn't) that stricter gun laws wouldn't have a favourable impact of some kind.
(And I'm also not claiming that this particular statistics site is the definitive source, just one seemingly valid source is all...)
Can't recall, were you as outspoken about the attempts by Bush and Co to curtail other freedoms over the past few years? You may have been, honestly don't recall.Quote:
For those of you who like to take things away from other people (this goes for you who do not live in MY country as well...) just remember that once the door has been opened to allow someone else's rights can be attacked, that only means that your rights will be attacked sooner or later. Pointing the finger now only leads to the finger being pointed at you further on down the road.
Yep, more illegal guns on the market. ;)Quote:
And besides, if someone can make it through the 500ft of yard and get to my house without me shooting them, they can have my guns.
I think it happens more frequently that children find guns at home and someone get shot accidentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
So you can lock your gun up and keep the key to prevent your kid from getting a gun.
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Originally Posted by MagnusVS
thats not a gun controll issue, thats bad parenting.
over 6 million people bought gears of war, how many of them have gone on shooting rampages?
Of course it's a gun control issue. If people didn't have guns, there wouldn't be any guns for children to pick up at home.
both are extremely low... if you really mean accidental shootings. I know more kids drown in buckets and bath tubs than get killed by a bear or ACCIDENTALLY shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
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Originally Posted by MagnusVS
thats some pretty good logic.
we should probably get rid of cars too. no cars means no car accidents.
Someone got killed by a horse at a rodeo. lets get rid of horses, its not our fault that the horse went crazy, its the horses fault.
Stop passing the blame magnus.
parents need to take a bigger role in their childrens lives. i think the next generation is going to be alot better off. Parents are going to be alot less clueless about whats going on.Quote:
"It wasn't me", says the boy with the gun
"Sure I pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
Cause life's been killing me ever since it begun
You cant blame me cause I'm too young"
"You can't blame me sure the killer was my son
But I didn't teach him to pull the trigger of the gun
It's the killing on this TV screen
You cant blame me its those images he seen"
Well "You can't blame me", says the media man
Well "I wasn't the one who came up with the plan
I just point my camera at what the people want to see
Man it's a two way mirror and you cant blame me"
"You can't blame me", says the singer of the song
Or the maker of the movie which he based his life on
"It's only entertainment and as anyone can see
The smoke machines and makeup and you cant fool me"
It was you it was me it was every man
We've all got the blood on our hands
We only receive what we demand
And if we want hell then hells what well have
Horses and cars are forms of transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Guns are designed to kill people. Nothing else.
http://www.rileyhospital.org/document.jsp?locid=1439
These statistics (unintentional shootings) aren't just considering kids. But my point is that I don't think fewer people would get killed if everyone bought guns to protect themselves from bears.Quote:
In 1995, 3.280 children and teenagers were murdred with guns, 1,450 commited suicide with guns, and 440 died in unintentional shootings. Firearms killed a total of 5,285 of our young people. National Center for Health Statistics. 1997
so you would rather outlaw guns so the people that have them for protection will no longer have them, and the people that have them to randomly kill other people will still be able to get them illegally?Quote:
Originally Posted by lesli_felix
people that want to do away with guns need to get their tunnel vision fixed.
Have I passed blame? No! If you think so, you misunderstand me. Of course, every person are responsible for their own actions (and if we're talking about young children, I will say their parents are responsible).Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Still... I mean that when people have access to guns, there will be more shooting.
only if those people are not shown right from wrong.
if i leave a kid alone all day and let them play GTA and watch the terminator, and the godfather, and scarface. and never show him right from wrong and he goes out and gets a gun and starts blasting people you better believe i am gonna feel real guilty real fast.
soon as parents start participating in thier childs lives the soon children will stop acting retarded.
This is a really old argument, but think a bit about it. In most other western countries, most people doesn't have guns. Why shouldn't this work in the USA as well? I don't see why you shouldn't make it...Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Do away with guns? yes, that would be great for everybody, if it were possible. It isn't possible because there's always going to be some idiot who wants to keep one 'just in case'.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Force guns into a black market and only have illegal ones in circulation?
It's not ideal, but it seems to work pretty well here in the UK. We do seem to have a teen stabbing epidemic at the moment, but I fancy my chances against a teenager with knife. And they wouldn't have a chance of wiping out an entire classroom.
Ultimately the problem isn't guns, it's emotionally unstable people. Availability of guns just means a double figure death toll, instead of one or two.
just getting rid of guns isnt going to fix the problem.
im sure they tried getting rid of bombs in iraq, tell that to the hundreds of people that died today in suicide bombings.
No, not of and by itself. However I - and most of the rest of the world - do believe it would make a significant impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Now does that mean I - and most of the rest of the world - are definitely correct? No, of course not. But when you consider that the highest death rates per capita do appear to be either in countries with very severe social/crime problems (ie. South Africa, Bolivia) and/or those with less restrictive gun laws, well, you might excuse us for wondering. That's all.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita
And before saying "Hey, we're only just above Finland!", look at the actual figures. There's quite a big jump after #25, and before that you would have to admit that the US is keeping company with some nations that have far worse social/civil issues than they do, no?
ok hows this.
back in the big L.A. shootout, luckily only a few people were killed, but the shootout lasted alot longer then it should have.
The gunman had a large assortment of illegal weapons.
the police at the time were not issued weapons of similar caliber to combat these heavily armored, and armed men.
What your suggesting is to take weapons away completely.