Elements. Fantasy cards game

hey i got a idea to fix the rares being common problem, what if you just distributed rares based on the score that people have, like whenever you go up a certain ammount(im thinking around 500 score, that sounds good) you automatically get one free random rare. Then you can just delete all the rares people have, and make it so they get a whole bunch of random rares depending on what score they have at the time you would reset it(so if it was like 6000 they get 12 random rares). Then when they get to 6500 score, they get another random rare, and again at 7000 ect. I think this way people will have around the same ammount of rares they should of had a chance at receiving to begin with. Also then you just make it so you cant get rares from spins...flawless.

p.s. i found one small flaw with it, and that is just to make it so if someone is at a score of 7000, they cant just lose a game to get a lower score, then win another game and get back to 7000, and hopefully not trigger something where they get another rare, but thats it.

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Originally Posted by Bianary

I still haven't figured out why you think a game with a min limit of 30 and up to 6 of any type *needs* a divination card.

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some point there on the way that it will not be a mandatory card - which, in my point of view, is positive - also I can imagine some decks that can actually make use of it, also because its fun!

I recall some games where that card could have done a major help on changing the way of play from hand if was known what hand opponent has ... It would increase a more tactical way of play .. also it can be very handful when realtime player versus player interface is up ..

btw ... is not my thinking or suggestion .. it was actually on the original Zanzarino project cards before V0.4 : (just follow the link to the zanzarino post...it's on page 3 of this forum)

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Time - Divination: Permanent, shows the opponent's cards
(good tactical advantage)

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bug: poison damage on creatures is not cumulative
(probably someone already wrote about it)

Hi! I'm new on this forum. I have some tips that could improve the "Your deck" section.

I have a lot of cards (almost all), but there isn't enough space to see all of them. Maybe add some space in this section could be good for card's collectors who wants to have all possible cards.

I often change deck and when I do it, add or remove cards really slows the operation "cloning" some cards. Bug?

P.s.: About eartquake. Too power at only 1 cost. If you have 6 of them in a deck your opponent is dead. Maybe more cost to destroy less pillars is better.

About "Enchant artifact": I have played level 3 and the computer put enchant artifact on the emerald shield (reflect). I have a mono-fire deck with no creatures, so I couldn't use deflagrations on it neither use my firebolts. I won just because of Fahrenheit. It's not too power at one cost? After doing E.A. on a weapon, could you use also flying weapon?

Always about "Enchant artifact": if you put it on dimensional shield, your enemy can't do nothing for three turns (no steal, no deflagration), making D.M. the most powerful card of the game. Same about the new dissipation shield, in the final turns could make you invincible. Maybe E.A. should be only for weapon and not for shield.

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Originally Posted by Manuel83

After doing E.A. on a weapon, could you use also flying weapon?

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yes you can

Another idea: allow to put only one or two of those very powerful card in a deck.

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Originally Posted by bot!

yes you can

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I don't want even to immagine a deck with immaterial flying Owl's eye/Eternity... Too power, no way for opponent's creature.

@ Manuel83:

I see that the new cards got you really worried. But please consider a couple of things:
1 - All the combo you mentioned would force players to add earth to their decks or to use earth as the main element. For instance, if I add enchant artifact to my deck I also need a earth quanta source and some room for enchant artifacts, that means less room for phase dragons, parallel universe and dimensional shield itself.
2 - I am going to monitor how the new cards are doing during the first days, if they are unbalanced I will try to match their cost/effects ratio until they are balanced with the rest of the game. It is close to impossible to determine how a new card would do without trying it first.

Also there is a way to bypass reflective shields with your spells (firebolt, in your case). I'll give you a hint, spells can be reflected only once, they will not keep bouncing forever back and forward between two players with reflective shields.

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

@ Manuel83:

I see that the new cards got you really worried. But please consider a couple of things:
1 - All the combo you mentioned would force players to add earth to their decks or to use earth as the main element. For instance, if I add enchant artifact to my deck I also need a earth quanta source and some room for enchant artifacts, that means less room for phase dragons, parallel universe and dimensional shield itself.
2 - I am going to monitor how the new cards are doing during the first days, if they are unbalanced I will try to match their cost/effects ratio until they are balanced with the rest of the game. It is close to impossible to determine how a new card would do without trying it first.

Ok for the first 2 points: experiments are always welcome and needed

Also there is a way to bypass reflective shields with your spells (firebolt, in your case). I'll give you a hint, spells can be reflected only once, they will not keep bouncing forever back and forward between two players with reflective shields.

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I know that the light reflective shield can reflect only once (it's written), but I think that the emerald (green) shield can always reflect, because there isn't write "only once" on this card.

However I really want to use this new cards as soon as possible!

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Originally Posted by -Samura-

btw ... is not my thinking or suggestion .. it was actually on the original Zanzarino project cards before V0.4 : (just follow the link to the zanzarino post...it's on page 3 of this forum)

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Oh, that one. I thought you meant a divination ala mtg card - search your deck and pull out a card you want.

I don't really like the idea of seeing your opponent's hand either, but I can see uses for it.

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*siren blares* GLITCH ALERT* *GLITCH ALERT*

Glitch size: huge
Description: I went into pvp and it came up with a fire deck, but before I did anything, I didn't press start or the mouse or the keyboard or anything, but it started the match in a split-second. Then it never actually brought up the field, it skipped to the win screen with elemental mastery, and on the spinner it gave 100% chance of quantum pillars all three spins, because there were no cards from the opponent's deck to put on the spinner because it never actually played.


Summary: PVP, started match automatically, skipped to the win screen with elemental mastery, spun 3 quantum pillars.

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Originally Posted by Viron

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*siren blares* GLITCH ALERT* *GLITCH ALERT*

Glitch size: huge
Description: I went into pvp and it came up with a fire deck, but before I did anything, I didn't press start or the mouse or the keyboard or anything, but it started the match in a split-second. Then it never actually brought up the field, it skipped to the win screen with elemental mastery, and on the spinner it gave 100% chance of quantum pillars all three spins, because there were no cards from the opponent's deck to put on the spinner because it never actually played.


Summary: PVP, started match automatically, skipped to the win screen with elemental mastery, spun 3 quantum pillars.

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I bet thats how that guy called pakuch or something got his 350-0 win percentage

Just as I suspected earthquake has proven broken. You play an earth elemental use six of it and six burrowers and a win condition. You can EASILY cripple any opponent. The only way for an opponent to win is if they go first and make a lot of quantum. Earthquake should cost four NOT one. and by the way the deck I mentioned is already being used and doesnt even need to use earth pillars because earthquake COSTS ONLY ONE.

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Originally Posted by Garruk

Just as I suspected earthquake has proven broken. You play an earth elemental use six of it and six burrowers and a win condition. You can EASILY cripple any opponent. The only way for an opponent to win is if they go first and make a lot of quantum. Earthquake should cost four NOT one. and by the way the deck I mentioned is already being used and doesnt even need to use earth pillars because earthquake COSTS ONLY ONE.

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I really think it is too soon to say if some card is broken or not ... decks with lots of pillars can overtake that lost .. decks with no pillars are completely immune to earthquake ... decks with lots of different types of pillars are also somewhat unharmed by it ...

... so far, the only more closely to a broken card was the Aether Phase Dragon .. not Miracle, not Freeze cost 1, not Owl's eye, not firebolt spam, and (maybe) not earthquake ... because it allowed a self inner parallel copy and farming wins by Mono-Aether players ... although ..even that can be beaten .. and so I don't see it as a broken card

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Also there is a way to bypass reflective shields with your spells (firebolt, in your case). I'll give you a hint, spells can be reflected only once, they will not keep bouncing forever back and forward between two players with reflective shields.

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I think I got it.......

Thnx Zanzarino for the hint :)

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Originally Posted by -Samura-

I really think it is too soon to say if some card is broken or not ... decks with lots of pillars can overtake that lost .. decks with no pillars are completely immune to earthquake ... decks with lots of different types of pillars are also somewhat unharmed by it ...

... so far, the only more closely to a broken card was the Aether Phase Dragon .. not Miracle, not Freeze cost 1, not Owl's eye, not firebolt spam, and (maybe) not earthquake ... because it allowed a self inner parallel copy and farming wins by Mono-Aether players ... although ..even that can be beaten .. and so I don't see it as a broken card

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Just because something can be beaten doesn't mean it isn't broken. Also, decks with lots of pillars CANT overtake that loss. you start the game with eight cards and in a deck with lots of pillars, you can easily start with five or six. The opponent can destroy all of those just with two earthquakes if they are one color. Two colors, they can still usually destroy them. three colors, they have trouble now, but they can still destroy enough to screw you over. Four colors, your deck is already too inconsistent and will lose often, unless you use mostly quantum pillars, in which case, earthquake can work.

I've already seen it start to warp the format around it. Lots of people play no pillars now. That includes you samura. And a card capable of forcing players to play so drastically different is definitely broken.

Also, Aether dragon can be easily beaten still it more the dimension shield that breaks it. As two shields give it more than enough time to kill you, but the dragon should still probably be smaller anyways. But, earthquakes would still kill this deck easily as it would be unable to get enough quantums.

Earthquake kills the very thing that makes the game work. it is very crazy and easily ruins any opponent. Also, by destroying all of a players pillars. You make the game very unfun for the player on the other side. That person feels helpless and unable to do anything. So, not only is it too powerful, but it very demoralizing and makes people want to play the game less.

@Garruk

If there was something wrong with Aether was not because of the Dimensional Shield but only because of his Dragon, if you keep the Dragon away like before then no one could have done a mono-Aether to work properly and it would have to add something else - although, I'm not defending that, I think a good deck can beat a Aether deck - the broken about this was more the farming abuse easy wins than for the card itself

you say that "Lots of people play no pillars now" .. look .. I tried like 8 hours ago on doing a deck immune to Earthquake spam .. DarkGate that was doing a dark-earth-mark with Devourers and Earthquakes joined in finding another type of deck ... so .. 2 people doing experimental decks .. and you say "Lots of people .. " .. wt? c'mon ..lol??

another thing - for what i saw - people are finding that Enchant Artifact can actually immortalize an entire stack of pillars .. so, and if is not a bug, anyone can protect his pillars with Enchant ..

in conclusion, my point is the same - I think is too earlier to make that kind of alarmism - I think is much more fun to try out new strategies in face of that kind of apparently difficulties .. bear in mind - new things always carry with them new ways of thinking ... imho

Okay I'll calm down. The card just brushes me the wrong way because my deck is susceptible to it. I've changed my deck some now so it is a bit less susceptible to it.

Here is the list if you are curious. It does well. But is very vulnerable.

14x Emerald Pillar
4x Emerald Dragon
6x Horned Frog
6x Cockatrice
1x Short Sword

It can easily overrun any deck that is slow. But is vulnerable to mass removal and shields. The wining percentage is pretty good though. I still want to just play life, cause it is very consistent and fun. Empathic Bond looks like it works well in my deck, but it just slows me down.

You're right samura. I guess it is too early. I'm playing some top 50 right now, and there isn't a whole ton of earthquake. And, it is only a problem for me if they can play 2 and even then I can get out of that hole. I do think that it should cost 2 though. But otherwise I'm fine.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...NoMonsters.jpg

So i've made a deck which seems to exemplify how powerfull dissipation shield is. It has 25 quantum pillers, 4 dissipation shields and some filler to get up to 48 cards (which is more than most decks will have) as a drainer deck. It has no mosters in it what so ever but does have a number of different weapons for the hell of it. I find that if i can get a shield out early (round 2,3) i'll easily be pulling enough quantum pillers to counteract any early offence. I've ended with 100 health (usually do to a vampire stiletto if i get hit early) over half the time. I've only lost one match out of about 15 so far and that was against a firefly queen deck. Just thought i would share my fun with you folk.

Edit: An early enchant artifact is also very important to save the pillers.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...oMonsters2.jpg

Edit: It is even effective against the dragon/univers deck since those usually use the deck min 30 cards and take a few turns to get started.

Cooder, my deck that I recently posted actually has a very good win percentage against that sort of deck. In fact, your type of deck is usually an easy win for me.

You play dissipation shield, but I can play enough creatures to deal more damage than you make quantum. And the shield will tie up all your quantum. But, that is against the AI, I don't know if you whether you would do better.

All of my creatures deal at least 3 damage, and have at least 3 hp. So they are out of natural otyugh range and at least deal as much damage as a quantum pillar will produce quantum.


Also, as a side note. Chaos seed is a bit too powerful now. It often gives you a more expensive effect, and never gives you a less expensive effect, cause it cost just one. While it can be random, the fact that it only does negative effects makes it much more reliable. In fact, it is probably the best creature removal in the game.


I've been think about some card ideas.

Murder 3 death
spell
destroy target creature.

Considering firebolt and friends can target players too, this should be balanced. But it can be increased to 4. Also, it here cause it would be the only stable creature removal, as it always gets rid of creatures, that arent immortal, or burrowed.

Flaming Efreet 5 fire
Creature
6/1

Very fragile, but possibly too good considering Immolation.

Healing Rain 2 water
Spell
Restores 4 hp to all your creatures.

Not much to say about this. Not that great, since people usually play spells to kill the creature, not leave it almost dead.

Android 5 of anything
creature
4/4

I just thought that the other space was rather empty. A fine creature. You could probably make it cheap. So new players would get an easy to buy decent sized guy.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/BoneWall.jpg

I hit the computer with 2 plagues and skyrockeded its Bone Wall. In the picture it was up to 70 but by the end of the game it was up to 100. I still won with 100 HP.

I've found a glitch. Once you get enough cards, some cards will be off screen in the collection part of the your deck screen. So, you can't access those cards.

You can still access them you just have to look at your cards by element.

I know that, but it is still a glitch.

Also, What is everyone's favorite card? And what is your most disliked card?

Currently my favorite is cockatrice and my least favorite is earthquake (really annoying).

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Originally Posted by gambrinous

So all the card art is from creatures created in Spore? Very neat!

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Could you make a sporecast of them all, zan? If you have a spore account, if not give me a list of all the people that let you use them, and i'll do it myself. I want to make an Elements themed spore game. Just for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by Garruk

I guess it is too early.

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yeah :)

btw, your deck is an interesting fast forward, but have a severe lack of control or defense .. hmm ... at least if you had a Druidic Staff instead of the Short Sword?

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Originally Posted by Garruk

What is everyone's favorite card? And what is your most disliked card?

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favorite card: hmm.. Nova? because it can always open a wide branches of strategies in your deck ^^

dislike card: .. I like all the cards!! lol ... hmmm .. Gnome Rider? because i never used.. xD

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Edit: It is even effective against the dragon/univers deck since those usually use the deck min 30 cards and take a few turns to get started.

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hehe.. is actually a very nice shield deck you have there .. but one thing tho .. the second screen (against lakuchi) would have not worked against a human player because he would have reverse one of the dragons continually with his Eternity weapon to an endless deck pile ... and then would be you that could have been losing by discard ...


bug - Flying weapon are not carrying over transformations on the weapons - I play a Enchant Artifact on a weapon, it got immortalized like expected, but when I did a Flying Weapon it lost his untarguetable condition (in this case.. it was target of a Reverse Time by the opponent)

I also found anouther hole with this deck and thats momentum. Any card with momentum is going right past the shield and undermining the entire defence.

http://img190.imageshack.us/i/doc2o.mp4/

check out this guy's light quantums!!!

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Originally Posted by Garruk

Earthquake kills the very thing that makes the game work. it is very crazy and easily ruins any opponent. Also, by destroying all of a players pillars. You make the game very unfun for the player on the other side. That person feels helpless and unable to do anything. So, not only is it too powerful, but it very demoralizing and makes people want to play the game less.

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I'm going to have to agree with Garruk. Samura is right about there being decks that can beat earthquake, particularly immo/nova decks. But seeing as how pillar decks constitute more than 95% of all decks, I'd say that earthquake is broken. I don't think any ONE card should shift all decks into non-pillar decks.

I've been playing PVP, half of the opponents have turned into denial decks, using devourers and earthquake. I really don't want this to become a nova deck marathon again, we should be allowed to use all elements just to make the game more unpredictable and make use of all types of strategies (not just quantum denial or nova/immo). Takes the fun out of the game, dont you think?

Suggestions:
Make earthquake cost 4 quantum.

-Prevents people using earth mark and destroying three pillars on their 2nd turn, which HUGELY destroys your chance of winning (you can draw 3 pillars first turn if you're lucky, but if those pillars are destroyed next turn, you rely only on drawing a pillar (low chances: one draw per turn) for your sources, THAT IS IF ur opponent doesnt have another earthquake. You're basically screwed, which is how most of my games played out.
-allows you time on 2nd turn to put an earth artifact on one of your element pillars

Make earthquake cost 3 quantum, destroy 2 pillars

-3 pillars x 6 earthquakes = 18 pillars destroyed = a joke, most people dont even put 18 pillars in their deck

-2 pillars x 6 earthquakes = 12 pillars destroyed = manageable (since they wont be able to draw all earthquakes first turn and use it the next turn)

Allow your mark to give you 2 QUANTUM per turn
-even with your pillars destroyed, you're still getting 2 quantum per turn, and this could allow for some other strategies
-not the greatest suggestion, earthquake would still be broken and it means the opp can now use TWO earthquake 2nd turn LOL

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Originally Posted by Cooder

So i've made a deck which seems to exemplify how powerfull dissipation shield is. It has 25 quantum pillers, 4 dissipation shields and some filler to get up to 48 cards (which is more than most decks will have) as a drainer deck. It has no mosters in it what so ever but does have a number of different weapons for the hell of it. I find that if i can get a shield out early (round 2,3) i'll easily be pulling enough quantum pillers to counteract any early offence. I've ended with 100 health (usually do to a vampire stiletto if i get hit early) over half the time. I've only lost one match out of about 15 so far and that was against a firefly queen deck. Just thought i would share my fun with you folk.

Edit: An early enchant artifact is also very important to save the pillers.

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Powerful? I'm not too sure. A fast deck would kick dissipations arse. Also it only converts physical damage. I just destroyed a dissipation deck in PVP with my Deva Vu/Blessing/Parallel Uni deck.

a grain of salt as PVP/level 4 is still just you with your brain vs. the AI with its quite limited flexibility. I am sure that dissipation shield decks in the hands of human players are RIPPING up other decks that are AI controlled while the same two decks with the human side turned AI and the AI side turned human have the complete opposite results.


--rob77dp

Earthquake has to be changed pretty fast. It needs to cost atleast 3 or 4 quantams to use it.

I carry enchant artifact, but if I lose the coin flip and that player has one, there is no chance to recover. Its really quite unbalanced.

cutting down from 3 to 2 should do the trick with the earth card.
Not sure why people would consider going to pillarless decks since the y aren´t too strong. although samuras deck gave me fits lol.
wanted to ask if anything is going to happen to the chat.It seems to get buggy when its full also if you still intend to make the changes you suggested before the last update (card upgrade,levelsystem etc)

I just want to comment on this problem:

Disaru, I want to combine your idea with my own. Firstly, I think we should make certain cards use 2 different elements. Such as Earthquake using Earth and Gravity per say. Secondly, make it so that it either destroys 1 or 2 pillars (chosen by randomization).

The Dissipation shield deck isn't flawless whatsoever. I'd like to know how many people remember YSQ's first no monster deck. This would just destroy the Dissipation deck. Another deck would be a poisining deck with Chysaora's and Poison's and such.

This is also a warning to everyone who is amazed by Cooder's Dissipation Deck with the 25 quantum pillars: Trust me I've got that deck (made it for fun) and mine has 42 Quantum pillars, 4 Dissipation Shields, 6 Enchant Artifacts, 1 Fahrenheit, 1 MorningStar, 2 Miracles and 2 Purify. Trust me it's not that great and the chances of getting 25 Quantum pillars out there is so slim. Just because it looks good, once true PvP comes out this deck will be abandoned!!!

@Disaru, Zeta711

I'm playing a Immolation/Nova deck, and I'm using earthquakes .. and believe me.. earthquake is not broken whatsoever .. now look:

1 - even if I use 6 on my deck I will not wait for multiples of 3 pillars to destroy .. If I wait then I'll really over death - so I destroy 1,2 and only 3 in the beginning ... and if get a Earthquake at the middle/end game and I'm be able to destroy 3 it will be too late .. it does nothing to the quantum that the player was getting in the meanwhile ..... so .. the 6x3=18 argument is simply not true ... so the 6 seems too much to put on a deck .. but then again if I don't have 6 of them will not work because I have to be pretty sure about having at least 1 in first hand ... so .. like 3 of them are useful to destroy say 1+2+3=6 or 7 pillars (if lucky) .. and the other 3 are only uselessly occupying deck-slots and are only there for % chances of a somewhat nice hand

2 - the opponent can easily set Enchantment Artifact on a stack of pillars - and is cumulative ! ... the pillars of the same element that come after are untargetable as well ... so ... Earthquake will be completely useless

3 - pillars of different types (even if only 2 different ) will severely ruin any superfast pace earthquakers ...


good tactics - any player can always in the first turn drop only 1 or 2 pillars if he sees a earth-elemental or if he knows that some player are playing with earthquake .. or even if he don't.. and wait 1 turn .. if not destroyed then he can or wait for the necessary quantum to do his game or cumulate non-multiple of 3 in the pile and holding in hand pillars ... holding resources is a tactic very common in other games too ... [when say .. in MTG you are against a white mana deck (because of the Armagedon .. that destroys all lands)]

... holding creatures and shields/weapons was already common .. now we have to think also on holding or not our pillars .. and how many to put in play the necessary for doing the game not less but not exceeding the need to build up .. and is all

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[when say .. in MTG you are against a white mana deck (because of the Armagedon .. that destroys all lands)]

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Saying a card is okay by comparing it to an MTG card that I believe is banned in most formats...

Edit: Also, the fact that you sound like you're basing this on a pillarless deck that also has the broken card in it seriously casts doubt on you being unbiased about it not being too good.

yeah...there are a ton of ways around the dis shield deck after playing it for a day. I was just commenting yesterday about how powerfull i felt it was because there really weren't many decks in the pvp that seemed to work well against it yet. I wasn't getting poisoned at the time because everyone was taking up pillerless or earth decks which were both very easily managed. I doubt i'll stick with this deck long seeing as how the games take a long time and once your set up its pritty boring.

Well, not actually. While Armageddon is considered overpowered. The only formats it is banned in are ones where it can't be legal in. Like standard or extended. The other formats are so warped by overpowered cards it doesn't matter. In vintage lands don't even matter much. But, Armageddon is very overpowered, although part of that is due to it being in white, the color of efficient weenies. Not that it would be balanced in another color.

And at samura, the problem is opponents using earthquake in addition to devourer. As then only playing one land at a time wont get you any quantum. And by the time you can rebound, they already have black dragon in play. Most decks can't deal with that. And everyone can't play enchant artifact or quantum pillars.