one opinion I heard is that the woman felt it forces the man to treat her intellectually since he could not tell if she was hot or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
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one opinion I heard is that the woman felt it forces the man to treat her intellectually since he could not tell if she was hot or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
All of the questions in this and other islam forums here are being answerd by 5 of the arab world nation leaders right now on C-span 1 right now. If you have the ability to wattch it, you should.
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Originally Posted by swampy
You are right it's not a stretch...its a chasm....You are not going back two gererations of direct ancestry like Hitler did in classifying Jews, you are trying to connect the two geneticaly and saying they share a similarity.
Hitler stopped at the grandfathers grandfather at least, you are trying to connect the two biologicaly,if thats the case then we are all related somehow.....so yes you cannot complare the two.
iTony
Is there a question there? Yes, we are all related. I've never actually met anyone who believed anything else. I mean, it's taught here in the schools.Quote:
if thats the case then we are all related somehow
But, more specifically, arab and jew are also related, blood, bone and hair. And not that long ago either, something like 4,000 years. All one tribe, and I'm not talking biblically.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4700414.stm
Sweden shuts website over cartoon
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[The site's host, Levonline, pulled the plug on the website of the Swedish Democrats' SD-Kuriren newspaper after consulting with the government.
It is believed to be the first time a Western government has intervened to block a publication in the growing row.
Skinhead sites and neo nazi's are next.
And all FrontPage home made sites after that.
Too bad they went to the government tho, they could have just added it to their TOS and pulled the plug on their own. That's nothing new, it's done with most hosting companies with pr0n and hate sites now.
SD-Kuriren can buy a server tho and put it up themselves.
LOL.....Yes'm...I can think of a few people I should disown...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Yep,you are right there, except the Jewish origins can be traced to Persia, and are not Arabs ( strictly speaking)Quote:
But, more specifically, arab and jew are also related, blood, bone and hair. And not that long ago either, something like 4,000 years. All one tribe, and I'm not talking biblically.
The Point I have been trying to make though is that the Jews have been/were discriminated because of who they are NOT what they believe, most Jews are not really religious...unlike Muslims.
iTony
Yeah, I got that the first time around too. ;)Quote:
The Point I have been trying to make though is that the Jews have been/were discriminated because of who they are NOT what they believe, most Jews are not really religious...unlike Muslims
Some one should read the Bible before making these glorious claims about the Quran.Quote:
2. The Qur'an is the only religious scripture in the world that says,"marry only one".
Possibly, but there are more ways than that to say the same thing.. Like as in 1Timothy 3:2,12"......The overseer should be..a husband of one wife....so should deacons be husbands of one wife..."Quote:
The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase `marry only one'.
1 Corinthians 7:2"....Let each man have his own wife...and each woman have her own husband ( no alowance for plurality )
Wrong again......and you don't have to go to the bible to find evidence of this either...Quote:
In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives.
It was written in the scriptures long before the Quran came into being...also Jesus in Matt 19:4-6 Said "Did you not read that He who created them from the beginning created them Male and Female, for this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife and the two wil become one flesh, so that they are no longer two but one...there fore what God has yoked together let no man put apart..."Quote:
It was only a few centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.
All references to marriage By Jesus and the Apostles were directed at "One" Husband and "One" Wife. EG: Matt:19 8,9 " I say to you who ever divorces his "wife" ( not wives) or "a" wife, except on the grounds of fornication.... "
Sorry for the quotes...but I just wanted to clarify one of the many claims that seem to be made these days about How the Quran is so superior to other Holy books.
iTony
Just try and remember, neither of the books of either religion were written by the lead figures themselves, but by wannabe's who came after and more than likely had their own ax to grind, or profit to make from it. Therefore, neither one is worth the paper they are written on, not as true accountings of what these two actually said. It's not like they were taped or anything. More like some New York Times reporters byline, reporting on what was said. And we all know how good that is.Quote:
but I just wanted to clarify one of the many claims that seem to be made these days about How the Quran is so superior to other Holy books.
Amen......Brother..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Here is an interesting article today about Muslim Moderates:
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What passes for moderation in the Islamic community — “I share your rage but don’t torch that embassy” — is nothing of the sort. It is simply a cynical way to endorse the goals of the mob without endorsing its means. It is fraudulent because, while pretending to uphold the principle of religious sensitivity, it is interested only in this instance of religious insensitivity.
Have any of these “moderates” ever protested the grotesque caricatures of Christians and, most especially, Jews that are broadcast throughout the Middle East on a daily basis? The sermons on Palestinian TV that refer to Jews as the sons of pigs and monkeys? The Syrian prime-time TV series that shows rabbis slaughtering a gentile boy to ritually consume his blood? The 41-part (!) series on Egyptian TV based on that anti-Semitic czarist forgery (and inspiration of the Nazis), “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” showing the Jews to be engaged in a century-old conspiracy to control the world?
A true Muslim moderate is one who protests desecrations of all faiths. Those who don’t are not moderates but hypocrites, opportunists and agents for the rioters, merely using different means to advance the same goal: to impose upon the West, with its traditions of freedom of speech, a set of taboos that is exclusive to the Islamic faith. These are not defenders of religion but Muslim supremacists trying to force their dictates upon the liberal West.
And these “moderates” are aided and abetted by Western “moderates” who publish pictures of the Virgin Mary covered with elephant dung and celebrate the “Piss Christ” (a crucifix sitting in a jar of urine) as art deserving public subsidy, but who are seized with a sudden religious sensitivity when the subject is Muhammad.
I think the obvious is finlay starting to be spoken about...
iTony
Great article. Thanks. This whole situation really exposes the basic ironies we're dealing with.
Does the cartoon create the wrong image, or does it reflect the image that people hold? That's the $64,000 question. If you tend to think that it reflects the the way Islam is perceived by a group of people, and that image is incorrect, the logical thing to do would be some soul-searching as to why people think that if it's not what you're all about and how to change their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by emm_eye
Perfectly understandable. Which is all the more reason to do something constructive like dispell misconceptions or stop whatever is causing this bad image.Quote:
especially during a time when islam is not in the good books of most non-muslims in the west.. it is really disturbing for us..
Muslims don't like the way others perceive them. That's perfectly fine, but they can't blame others for that or get angry at them for how they see the world. You can't dictate how someone should perceive something. If there truly is a misconception, then there needs to be some serious thought about how to change it, not just outrage that plays right into that misconception. I think the quote from the article XU1 posted ("I share your rage but don't torch that embassy") is an illustration of why that hasn't happened.
Why am I agreeing with him so much lately?
it would seem that George Bush has actually done more to change Western misconceptions about islam than moderate muslims have.
Yeah, he changed misconceptions into proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
Probably because you are starting to see what kind of brew has been fermenting behind the scenes, Islam does not change its colors for any one....Quote:
Originally Posted by PAlexC
It's not just anecdotal evidence anymore that everywhere that this religion is found there is trouble and instability, there is a reason,and that is the teaching and life of their Prophet as explained by the Quran, and more frightening, as his life and conquests are explained by the hadiths.
Put those things together and you will see why there is a difficulty in separating the extreme from the moderate Islam......it does not exist.
iTony
Take god or religion out of the world picture, and it wouldn't be much different though. The world citizenry is still a bunch of stone age tribal retreads. All of us, we're all banded into our little tribes, like a pack of dogs, or ants in a hive, only rarely allowing a strange pack member or hive member into our midsts.
On the other hand, this is the natural order of things. Nature at it's finest. Maybe we ought not to fight it. War is part of the human condition. I think we should immerse ourselves in it, sort of like the american indians did. Make a ritual out of it though, so we don't kill ourselves off. Do away with nukes, carpet bombing, poison gas or anything more powerful or deadly than a Swiss Army knife and a good Hickory switch and just have the hell at each other. Steal each others women, cars, horses, for a couple months out of the year, then go back to work.
Minus the "higher" cause factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
ROFLMAO.......you keep making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious...:DQuote:
Do away with nukes, carpet bombing, poison gas or anything more Steal each others women, cars, horses, for a couple months out of the year, then go back to work.
iTony
Think about it. Everyone could get into it, gramma's, kids, Company CEO's. It would be more popular than Monday Night Football, and it would be audience participation. You wouldn't even need to build stadiums.
Christ, the Networks and beer companies would go nuts. Think of the commercials.
haha. its true. war and faith is in all human blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Nietszche made the argument that the proximity of war on the doorsteps of the Greeks and Romans was the reason that those societies produced so many great individuals.