Do aliens exist?

It would be incredibly narrow-minded to take the opinion that we are the only life in the Universe.

Life doesn't have to breathe oxygen, and it certainly doesn't have to have one head, two arms and two legs to qualify, so if anyone is thinking that there has to be another watery blue world equi-distant from a star similar in size to the Sun for there to be Life, then that would be the definition of thinking inside the box.

Saying that, it is highly probable that there is somewhere, just the same scenario as there is here - but even then, the odds on Life developing in the same order, reaching the same genetic conclusions, are probably more astronomical than finding Life itself.

Anyway, I reckon wjhatever they are, they're out there, and it's the sheer vast expanses of space that are the only limitation to us ever finding another planet that supports life.

Aliens, of course!
Intelligent, yes.

Visited us, No.
Want to eat us, no.
Want to cut up and probe us, no.
Want to take over our planet, no.

If you think about it there has to be aliens out there, I mean how only one planet in the vast expanse of the universe be lucky enough (or unlucky depensing on your opinion) to have life?
Then what would be the point in the rest of the universe.

Also, this is just my logic here based on the Big bang theory. As all planets were created at the same time, and a planet has to be in the right position to sustaine life (like Earth is), I think that the process of life being made would take the same amount of time, give or take a few years.

Obviously the planet won't be exact to Earth, it couldn't really have happened in exactly the same way. So the creatures there will be slighty different, but probably won't have progressed at a different rate. So I'm willing to bet that they wouldn't be any more or less advanced than us (within a margin of course).

This in turn means that they dont have the methods and technology to meet us yet. and we don't to meet them.

I think we will meet them someday, when we are meant too. but at the moment we have so many steriotypes about them experimenting on us and killing us that we wont meet them. Untill we open our eyes a bit more and think a bit differently, then the time to meet them will come :).

It's just what I think, may sound silly to you but I think thats the way it is :)

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Originally posted by Olly K
Aliens, of course!
Intelligent, yes.

Visited us, No.
Want to eat us, no.
Want to cut up and probe us, no.
Want to take over our planet, no.

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Sorry if I sound nit-picky but again aren't we looking at this through a purely human perspective. Would they want to eat us? How do we know these aliens even "eat" as we define "eat"? Maybe a water based life form would be of no use to an alien. Cut us up?, maybe they don't have the ability or need to cut to examine? Take over our planet...you get the point

Aren't these all things that humans would do??

Heck if we found a planet with primative lifeforms wouldn't we try and eat them, study them, probe them, cut them up, and take over their planet for whatever uses we need it for?

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Also, this is just my logic here based on the Big bang theory.

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PS: The big bang theory is a joke :D

Olly K

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As all planets were created at the same time

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Where do you get this champ ????

Now thats hillarious. There are entire galaxies that have come and gone, since the Big bang, let alone solar systems and planets.

The short answer to is there intelligent life outside of our own planet?
Yes

The long answer to is there intelligent life outside of our own planet?
Yes.

But its good to see the flat earthers still have something to chat about.

The big bang eh?

Why do you tink we were created form a bunch of stupid gas?

Don't you think something intelligent and creative made us?

Umm, NO.

You think something as smart and as unique as humans, were created by gas?

That seems rather "stupid" If you ask me.

seems rather stupid to think that something omniscient couldn't make humans out of gas.

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You think something as smart and as unique as humans, was created by gas?

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Umm, YES. And a correction:

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You think something as smart and as unique as humans, were created by gas?

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Unique? With all the races and lineages in the humanoid evolutionary tree, I would hardly think of it as such. Trial and error seems to be more pivotal in our evolution than some sort of decisive purpose.

But what would I know, Im just a stupid atheist, and Im very comfortable knowing that weve only been around a fraction of the time than some less intelligent entities like dinosaurs, and even less so than other lower forms like bacteria.

Have you ever looked closely at the inside of a computer? If you have, you know it is very complicated -- and it probably wouldn't even cross your mind to think that it just happened. You know that someone designed it, and someone else made it -- and if they hadn't, you wouldn't have a computer.

And as we've learned through science, this world is far more complex than any computer will ever be. Did it just happen? Or did Someone (namely God) design it and make it? It is far more logical to believe that God made it than to believe it just happened. And this is exactly what the Bible tells us: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).

But this leads to another question: Why did God create the world? And why did He create you? You see, science can tell us how something happened -- but the Bible tells us why it happened. And the reason God created this world and put you and me here, is so we could come to know Him and to serve Him. Begin to discover His plan for you by asking Christ to come into your heart -- and He will.

No, the world isn't here by chance -- and neither are you. Think of it: The God who created the universe loves even you and me! Make it your goal to love Him in return, and then to live for Him every day by making Christ the center of your life.

Sorry if this offends some of you, but I am bound by the truth and the truth will set you free.

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Originally posted by FusionJedi
Did you ever look closely at the inside of a computer? If you have, you know it is very complicated -- and it probably wouldn't even cross your mind to think that it just happened. You know that someone designed it, and someone else made it -- and if they hadn't, you wouldn't have a computer.

And as we've learned through science, this world is far more complex than any computer will ever be. Did it just happen? Or did Someone (namely God) design it and make it? It is far more logical to believe that God made it than to believe it just happened. And this is exactly what the Bible tells us: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).

But this leads to another question: Why did God create the world? And why did He create you? You see, science can tell us how something happened -- but the Bible tells us why it happened. And the reason God created this world and put you and me here, is so we could come to know Him and to serve Him. Begin to discover His plan for you by asking Christ to come into your heart -- and He will.

No, the world isn't here by chance -- and neither are you. Think of it: The God who created the universe loves even you and me! Make it your goal to love Him in return, and then to live for Him every day by making Christ the center of your life.

Sorry if this offends some of you, but I am bound by the truth and the truth will set you free.

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Hey, sock puppet. Welcome to Flashkit. :rolleyes:

Your example is flawed; a computer wasn't created in a moment, it took years of experimenting with electricity, conductive circuits, vacuum tubes, switches, transistors, etc. before it was made. Each of the complicated components has their own evolution, the idea of a 'computer' was merely the selection pressure that made them evolve in the complicated way they have. No one sat down and said, 'hey, let's make a complicated device called a computer.' It evolved.

You should really read the Blind watch maker if this is how you think of the universe. It's way to beautiful to right off as the whim of some god.

(sorry to anyone who is offended by reading this, but I can't stand people who join message boards to just spout their vapid drivel, religious, political, what have you, without trying to at all contribute to the community they are trespassing in)

*edit* I'm also feeling somewhat aggressive.

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And why did He create you?

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to please the ladies?

Now that is what I call TRUTH!

Amen!

I've changed my mind.

Aliens live among us.

MarkP is proof.

but i never said it was intelligent life :D

I agree with you that the explanation wasn't comprehensive enough so I'll expand.

If you think of living organisms, they contain what is known as complex specific information. To explain that, just think of a book like an encyclopedia or a computer program like Windows or Unix. Computer programs don't write themselves; they need computer engineers. A computer program has a very complex set of instructions. Richard Dawkins, the arch Darwinist/Evolution promoter and atheist, admits forthrightly that a single cell in your body has more information in it than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together. That information is what coordinates the activities of the cell. Now, you know how impossible it would be to produce an encyclopedia by mixing letters at random until they came together in a certain way.

What is life, anyway? Is it just matter that is changing by natural processes?" No, that's not so at all. The biological cell, for example, the fundamental unit of biology, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity so intricate that it makes a super computer or a spaceship look rather low-tech. It's like a whole city with its own energy transportation, its own fire and police departments, its own hospital -- all working together in marvelous harmony. Obviously, there is some intelligence in the cell. You might call it a program that ties all this together and keeps it working for the common good of the organism. The Darwinist theory has no explanation for the origin of this cell. Even the most eminent biologist will admit that to you. So they are stopped right at the beginning. They do claim that you can make some changes in nature by means of random variation or gene mutation and natural selection -- the survival of the fittest. And, within limits, that's true. Their claim is not altogether false, but it is true only at a very trivial level. It doesn't explain any significant change in the biological world.

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Originally posted by japangreg
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I'd say downright mean.

For one: he is not a sock puppet:rolleyes:
Two: Computers had to have been thought up at one time, not someone just put in a transistor, then a circut.

You should really read the Bible if this is how you think of the universe.

(sorry to anyone who is offended by reading this, but I can't stand people who come in here posting flawed comments, calling other members sock puppets and insulting ones such as myself)

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Originally posted by I_am_TheFlasher
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Two: Computers had to have been thought up at one time, not someone just put in a transistor, then a circut.

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sorry but the machine on your desk took over 3000 years of trial and error to develop.

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
sorry but the machine on your desk took over 3000 years of trial and error to develop.

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And you and me took about a millisecond.

*correction, you and me took nine months. Adam took a millisecond.

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Originally posted by I_am_TheFlasher
And you and me took about a millisecond.

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you and I took about 3 billion years. We are also far from perfect. The quality control on producing human beings is just pathetic when compared to the manufacturing guidelines of the Honda Corporation.

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Originally posted by FusionJedi
I agree with you that the explanation wasn't comprehensive enough so I'll expand.

If you think of living organisms, they contain what is known as complex specific information. To explain that, just think of a book like an encyclopedia or a computer program like Windows or Unix. Computer programs don't write themselves; they need computer engineers. A computer program has a very complex set of instructions. Richard Dawkins, the arch Darwinist/Evolution promoter and atheist, admits forthrightly that a single cell in your body has more information in it than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together. That information is what coordinates the activities of the cell. Now, you know how impossible it would be to produce an encyclopedia by mixing letters at random until they came together in a certain way.

What is life, anyway? Is it just matter that is changing by natural processes?" No, that's not so at all. The biological cell, for example, the fundamental unit of biology, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity so intricate that it makes a super computer or a spaceship look rather low-tech. It's like a whole city with its own energy transportation, its own fire and police departments, its own hospital -- all working together in marvelous harmony. Obviously, there is some intelligence in the cell. You might call it a program that ties all this together and keeps it working for the common good of the organism. The Darwinist theory has no explanation for the origin of this cell. Even the most eminent biologist will admit that to you. So they are stopped right at the beginning. They do claim that you can make some changes in nature by means of random variation or gene mutation and natural selection -- the survival of the fittest. And, within limits, that's true. Their claim is not altogether false, but it is true only at a very trivial level. It doesn't explain any significant change in the biological world.

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Wrong, wrong wrong. Straight out of the gate on all accounts.

Computer programs can write programs; that's how viruii work. Self-duplicating code.

Also, the code in your cells is immense, but that has little to do with complexity. A gold fish has far more genes than a human. And the point is that it isn't "mixed together in a random way" to produce the information, it is screened and selected by natural forces, not written as a whole all at one time. To extend your example, no one sat down and wrote the entire encyclopedia at one sitting; it went through versions, stages, additions, edits before it became what it is.

And complexity in no way demonstrates intentional design; ever seen a crystal under a microscope? Do you believe that some force is guiding the growth of crystal structures?

You are caught in circular reasoning here, my friend. It's complicated = it was designed. Why? Because designed things are complicated.

The Darwinian theory is not concerned with the origin of the cell, it addresses the development of species (hence the title 'origin of the species') The are theories that address the origin of the cell, but they are not directly related to what we are discussing.

And you apparently aren't up on your evolutionary theory; there are many schools of thought within, one being that evolution is not the gradual shift of a species over time, but is a punctuated event with cataclysmic events every few generations. And, just for the record, it isn't 'survival of the fittest' except in high school class rooms. It's reproduction of the fittest.

And Flasher, this is his 5th post on the board. They have all been espousing this religious stuff. I don't care if he's not a sock puppet on this board, he's one in real life as far as I'm concerned. At least others on this board who participate in these debates on the religious side have the courtesy to discuss other matters and contribute to the overall community; people who come here with an agenda tick me off.