If more and more human resources are wasted on copying eachother, than truly innovative products will come out less and less often, what's bad for the consumer, me.Quote:
Originally Posted by argonauta
Fredi
If more and more human resources are wasted on copying eachother, than truly innovative products will come out less and less often, what's bad for the consumer, me.Quote:
Originally Posted by argonauta
Fredi
Say Microsoft admits the PS3 is the best console, and they decide to make an xbox 420 that has the same specs as the ps3, can play bluray, looks like a ps3, smells like a ps3 and acts like a ps3, all to the last detail, except that it has a microsoft logo.
There are some things to consider there. Sony would be angry because now they'd have to go into legal battles, lots of costs, etc. But they now need to compete with a product that is exactly the same as theirs. Does this affect me, as a consumer? Let's see...
Say Sony says they can't compete with microsoft, and they'll stop the production of their console. As a consumer, I don't care, because I can buy an xbox 420 which plays my ps3 games, my bluray movies, and companies that were developing games, would still sell them for the xbox. I wouldn't notice any difference.
What other options does Sony have? lower the price of the console, which benefits me. Maybe add more features to their console, to make it better again, which benefits me. How in the hell could I be mad about this, unless I'm a true Sony fanboy, and I just love the PS3 because it's made by Sony and not Microsoft.
Having different products with totally different features, and fighting for the consumers means that I have to have other types of strategies to attract consumers, like having exclusivity (on a music group, on a game, on a technology like bluray or hddvd) or forcing developers of a product to choose my technology (like bluray vs hddvd again, or adding propietary technology, like microsoft and apple, or cripple my device, like a lot of products do, so they only do what i want), or any other strategy, none of which are improve the product.
By having two products that are exactly the same, the fight goes to which one can be improved, or which one will let me do more.
That's in the shortterm though. If everybody made blatant copies of the ipod, so that it doesn't matter which one you buy, as all cost the same, work the same and look the same, what's Apple's only option? continue this path, or innovate again? and when they come with a better ipod everybody wants, and everybody copies them again, what's their only option? improve again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subway
On the other side, if the ipod is the dominant product, and no mp3 player comes close to it. Why would apple improve it? why would it consider adding features nobody else has, if they can keep selling what they have now?
Besides, there's innovation just by copying. I'm not talking about the chinese companies that just backengineer the product and copy it. I'm talking about companies that can or are willing to keep their place in the market. They'll spend their resources to develop something that maybe looks the same outside, but possibly has its own ideas inside. The more ways someone can make one thing is an improvement by itself. That leads to new technologies.
I see this as evolution: survival of the fittest. Bad products die, good products stay, breed, look similar between each other until one develops wings. Then, all products develop wings, because they need to do so to survive, and then they start spitting fire through their mouths.
Now, I'm done with this thread, I have to work, and you and I know this is not about copying. It's about copying Apple. So, I'll give you points for this one, and we'll talk later in another thread.
I'm in the minority here... the iPhone copied the LG Prada phone, which was out first.
Either way, copying happens, not too many people like in the corporate world, but for the consumers, it helps us plenty - read: it makes things cheaper.
I'll be looking for the total package here soon enough... which at this moment is the Open Moko Neo 1973 it seems... at least I can get root access on purpose with that phone. Just... it's so damn ugly.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
it got bluetooth at leastQuote:
Unfortunately there’s no camera on Neo1973, only GPRS connection with GSM network. No Wifi and 3G and it’s really a lacking cell phone.
Hit the Symbian, Windows Platform and more with the http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/
Let me just point out one thing here real quick: The iPhone is a POS...
It was the most disappointing thing to come out all year. And seriously, what do you think the Japanese do...? They take an idea and they make it better, they have been doing that for decades.
Save for the camera... that's the same as the iPhone. No 3G.Quote:
Unfortunately there’s no camera on Neo1973, only GPRS connection with GSM network. No Wifi and 3G and it’s really a lacking cell phone.
And for the record:
That's what I was referring to. Not the dev version that's presently sold.Quote:
GTA02 (AKA: The Mass Market Neo1973) is on schedule to go on sale in October. It will have the following new hardware components:
* 802.11 b/g WiFi
* Samsung 2442 SoC
* SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator
* 2 3D Accelerometers
* 256MB Flash
* 1700mAh Battery
* Faster CPU - S3C2442/400
* LEDs illuminating the two buttons.
confirmation: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973
...and yes, ugly as hewl!
oh, it ain't winning no beauty contests at all... but after my Nokia 770... I'm gung-ho for a linux based device. Debian based packing, sudo via xterm, mounting the media in a manner that's predictable, apps on it like kismet and btscanner, and just SO MUCH out there for it... I'm just loving it.
...all but the design.
Thanks for the confirmation. Forgot to list it earlier.
I actually like the look of the Neo1973. I think it looks kind of cool.
But the iPhone was shown first and the user interface mechanics are completely different on the Prada.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
Fredi
BTW, why do so many people want 3G? It can't be for all the services promised, because they s*ck. Most people I know that have had a 3G phone have gone back to a GPRS phone, like a Walkman or a camera phone. If its for the high speed Internet, then get a phone with WiFi instead, you'll get much higher speeds. And do you have 3G in America?
Let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Subway
candy bar shape? CheckI'll say this. The rumors about the iPhone predate the Prada, but not the release nor images of the phone(s).
touch screen? Check
camera? Check
screen dominates front bezel? Check
Subbers reminds me of a man sinking in quicksand, struggling until the end, to the point that when only his hand is left above the surface, he resorts to signing his final defiant rebuttal.
As for 3G, I've had two of 'em and they're pretty good.
My latest gripe about phones is that they don't recogize even common file types (pdf, xls, etc), making them all but useless for business.
And if copying wasn't around, do you know how unaffordable so many of the drugs that get used in the developing world would be? There's only so much money going into too few folks pockets I can handle before I say "copy away!"
If it brings more good and/or cheaper products to more folk then can only be a good thing imho.
Except, according to Mythbusters, you can't drown in quicksand ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hurricaneone
See, I'm not the only one pissing on peoples pancakes. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ihoss.com
Fredi
I haven't tried those, but I'm pretty sure .pdf, .xls and .doc are easily readable and editable in the n95 (and in symbian phones for that matter).Quote:
Originally Posted by hurricaneone
My metaphor wasn't supposed to see you drown, only describe your pigheadednessQuote:
Originally Posted by Subway
Maybe there's an add-on for the phone (SonyEricsson W850i), but fresh out of the box (with the addition of an enormous memory stick), I can't see any e-mail attachments other than photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by argonauta
That said, I wouldn't even know how to add an add-on to the phone, or if such a thing even existed.
How desperately incompetent.