may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
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may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
doesn't sound like a cop out.Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
i have family and friends in the army too.
which is why it really pisses me off that this gov't goes to war over things like oil, and uses war to boost our economy.
SCREW THAT. if there is ever another draft i am taking my brother to canada and not looking back.
any of you t-dot folks got a couch we can crash on?? ;)
Check out ::
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm <--Bush Dynasty Nazi Ties
http://www.tarpley.net/bush18.htm <-- Iran Contra
http://www.tarpley.net/bush20.htm <-- War on Drugs
do you have more than one source. Becuase I can write a book and throw up a website that says I am the god of hell fire and earth is my dominion.Quote:
Originally posted by Diggity Doc
Check out ::
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm <--Bush Dynasty Nazi Ties
http://www.tarpley.net/bush18.htm <-- Iran Contra
http://www.tarpley.net/bush20.htm <-- War on Drugs
I have seen web site's and books explaining that the earth is flat/ the earth is hollow, the moon landing was fake. masons control everything... etc etc.
Check the sources at the bottom of the pages and there is more to look at. Calm down a bit their sparky.
I am calm, scooter, not calling names or anything.Quote:
Originally posted by Diggity Doc
Check the sources at the bottom of the pages and there is more to look at. Calm down a bit their sparky.
you're telling me, you're not? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
...becuase I can write a book and throw up a website that says I am the god of hell fire and earth is my dominion.
check this out (it's a satirical political chatbot):
http://www.mylittletony.com
I asked it "What do you think of george bush?" and the reply it gave me was (damn I thought i copied it and now it wont come back!) it basically said: "how can america (bush) bomb countries when he doesn't even know where they are." It was funnier when it said it believe me! :rolleyes:
Ask it about George Bush and the US it's great!
:)
Alan
That is some funny s**t. This is what he says about GWBQuote:
Originally posted by Pure_Morning
check this out (it's a satirical political chatbot):
http://www.mylittletony.com
I asked it "What do you think of george bush?" and the reply it gave me was (damn I thought i copied it and now it wont come back!) it basically said: "how can america (bush) bomb countries when he doesn't even know where they are." It was funnier when it said it believe me! :rolleyes:
Ask it about George Bush and the US it's great!
:)
Alan
"I was personally a little surprised that it took him a full 3 weeks to decide to resume his father's campaign of bombing the crap out of Iraq!!! However, I think the fact that the US now has a somewhat insular figurehead is a good thing. After all, it will be hard for America to interfere in other countries' affairs when they do not even know where those countries are, never mind who runs them!!!"
Ha ha - go to that http://www.mylittletony.com and ask him this question:
What does George Bush think of Kyoto?
superb !!!
its not britain i worry about. im confident in our gov decisions when it comes to war... mainly because most of the key decisions arent made by the gov. plus are guys are good.Quote:
Originally posted by Chelle2008
doesn't sound like a cop out.Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
i have family and friends in the army too.
which is why it really pisses me off that this gov't goes to war over things like oil, and uses war to boost our economy.
SCREW THAT. if there is ever another draft i am taking my brother to canada and not looking back.
any of you t-dot folks got a couch we can crash on?? ;)
my main concern is our troops being killed by american bombers lol :D (or shot in the back of the head by the guy behind.... aslo american lol)
Well atleast our troops have the balls to pull the trigger. Better than standing there looking like a gap-tooth bloody brit. Oh....uh.... LOL .... haha....Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
its not britain i worry about. im confident in our gov decisions when it comes to war... mainly because most of the key decisions arent made by the gov. plus are guys are good.Quote:
Originally posted by Chelle2008
doesn't sound like a cop out.Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
i have family and friends in the army too.
which is why it really pisses me off that this gov't goes to war over things like oil, and uses war to boost our economy.
SCREW THAT. if there is ever another draft i am taking my brother to canada and not looking back.
any of you t-dot folks got a couch we can crash on?? ;)
my main concern is our troops being killed by american bombers lol :D (or shot in the back of the head by the guy behind.... aslo american lol)
how do you figure that one out? erm s.a.s to name one....??Quote:
Originally posted by Diggity Doc
Well atleast our troops have the balls to pull the trigger. Better than standing there looking like a gap-tooth bloody brit. Oh....uh.... LOL .... haha....Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
its not britain i worry about. im confident in our gov decisions when it comes to war... mainly because most of the key decisions arent made by the gov. plus are guys are good.Quote:
Originally posted by Chelle2008
doesn't sound like a cop out.Quote:
Originally posted by fruitloopdesign
may sound like a cop-out but im not going to join this one (well maybe not) mainly coz i have family and friends in the army and have had family and friends killed so my opinion may become too biased.
i have family and friends in the army too.
which is why it really pisses me off that this gov't goes to war over things like oil, and uses war to boost our economy.
SCREW THAT. if there is ever another draft i am taking my brother to canada and not looking back.
any of you t-dot folks got a couch we can crash on?? ;)
my main concern is our troops being killed by american bombers lol :D (or shot in the back of the head by the guy behind.... aslo american lol)
if you don't know, you betta ask somebody
it's an interesting conundrum, but it presents a catch 22 situation. If Sadam is planning a nasty surprise (and it is pure speculation from those that are not privvy to such information) it could be argued that he is doing so in response to the west planning to assasinate him.Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
what if, and only IF, we have proof that that politician is planning on whacking us. do we wait to get whacked then whack him. I'm not supporting assination, but if we have proof that saddam is cooking up a nasty suprise for us, won't whacking him be a little more economical than bombing iraq.....agian.
Regardless of what congress says the Secret services the world over gain information via unorthodox means and occassionaly, when the world media isn't watching, bis torture. Is this ethical if it saves lives ? possibly but I am gainst it on principal, in the same way as I opposed to capital punishment. Too many mistakes and miscarraiges of justice have been made.Quote:
O.k. so now you may be saying... well where is the proof. If we make our information public, we lose that source of information(dead informants don't really work well). Not only that we may be using an "illegal" source of information. Congress passed a law a few years back making it illegal to gain information from people that commit certian crimes. Well you only get info about terrorists/enemies, from terrorists or enemies.
I don't think it is a case of apathy so much as a case of continuing the suffering with trade embargo's. Iraq still exports a large proportion of the worlds oil. We're prepared to buy it off Sadam but we won't lift or relax imports into the country.Quote:
As far as apathy, its really a hard question, do we sit by while people are oppressed, I would say yes, unless we are enabeling the suppression. Which we do every time we deal with a non-representative government.
In a democaric society it could be argued that war or at least intent should be declared before any assasination otherwise is it not murder?Quote:
One last thing. It is not a conflict of interest to assinate a foreign leader during war. . . however are we at a state of war. when is the war over? what is the objective?
[Edited by TallGuyLittleCar on 06-17-2002 at 12:14 PM]
look at the figures of how many brits have killed allies. then look at the same stats for the amount of allies the US has killed.Quote:
Originally posted by Diggity Doc
if you don't know, you betta ask somebody
brits dont just stand there. it depends on the situation. if your talking about UN then that isnt britain. that is a set number of troops seperate from the british army. we just have a select number in the UN they have their own rules etc... which i think are rubbish.
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Originally posted by swampy
it's an interesting conundrum, but it presents a catch 22 situation.
agree.
All depends on what you classify as torture. From what I have read there are numerous drugs that will enable extracting good valid information. Beat a man long enough he will admit to anythingQuote:
Regardless of what congress says the Secret services the world over gain information via unorthodox means and occassionaly, when the world media isn't watching, bis torture. Is this ethical if it saves lives ? possibly but I am gainst it on principal, in the same way as I opposed to capital punishment. Too many mistakes and miscarraiges of justice have been made.
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I don't think it is a case of apathy so much as a case of continuing the suffering with trade embargo's. Iraq still exports a large proportion of the worlds oil. We're prepared to buy it off Sadam but we won't lift or relax imports into the country.
well here is one thing. he needs our stuff for his people. Which he doesn't really care to much about. If its our stuff he needs, is it not to much to ask that he play by our rules? In effect if anything we are helping him out with an embargo. he can blame the west for the dying/starving people instead of using his own gas to kill them. More economical for saddam as well. And I think he is allowed to sale all the oil he wants in trade for huminatarian supplies.
I think its beyond argument to be true. However the current admin thinks is has found a loophole of declaring a war but not agaisnt a state.Quote:
In a democaric society it could be argued that war or at least intent should be declared before any assasination otherwise is it not murder?
and that is what is the scary thing, a democratic government that is viewed as the leader of the free world is (allegedly) looking for "loopholes" to commit what is tantamount to state sponsored murder. What other loopholes are they looking for ?Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
I think its beyond argument to be true. However the current admin thinks is has found a loophole of declaring a war but not agaisnt a state.
the current admin is one giant loophole as far as a democratic nation goes.Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
However the current admin thinks is has found a loophole of declaring a war but not agaisnt a state.
It is scary in theory. If saddam gets wacked, I don't think there will be tears flowing across the world.Quote:
Originally posted by swampy
and that is what is the scary thing, a democratic government that is viewed as the leader of the free world is (allegedly) looking for "loopholes" to commit what is tantamount to state sponsored murder. What other loopholes are they looking for ?
one thing i like to remember is that pre 911 the bush admin, was looking to become less involved in world affairs. Approach in a more hands-off, let our dollars speak, than the clinton's more hands-on approach. And the general fall out of .... dubious... actions during the cold war.
as far as other loopholes, well internally the gov, not just the current executive admin, is constantly looking at ways to do away with that pesky bill of rights.
Right to bear arms... gone
Right to personal property.. edited.
Right to free speach....gone (although the NRA is fighting it)
When i say free speach I'm speaking about the right to say or buy air time to say "hey this guy sucks". not the right to cover yourself in penut butter, wear a diaper and spank your self on prime time t.v.
LOL!!! *spits water on screen*Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
When i say free speach I'm speaking about the right to say or buy air time to say "hey this guy sucks". not the right to cover yourself in penut butter, wear a diaper and spank your self on prime time t.v.
perhaps the constitution should be changed so that the right to free speach reads "the right to sue anyone who exercises the right to free speach".
LOL Don't you supposed to have a coffee, not water?Quote:
Originally posted by Chelle2008
LOL!!! *spits water on screen*
yes! but i had finished my cup already :(Quote:
Originally posted by Damaso
LOL Aren't you supposed to have coffee, not water?Quote:
Originally posted by Chelle2008
LOL!!! *spits water on screen*
*goes to get more coffee*
:D
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
That's what I don't get about American politics - what kind of a inalienable right is the right to BUY the opportunity to express your freedom of speech ? I guess poor people are **** out of luck there then.Quote:
When i say free speach I'm speaking about the right to say or buy air time to say "hey this guy sucks". not the right to cover yourself in penut butter, wear a diaper and spank your self on prime time t.v.
basically :(Quote:
Originally posted by fancy a brew ??
I guess poor people are **** out of luck there then.
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Originally posted by Visionray
Not necessarily. There is an extremely large percentage of the Cuban population who blame Castro for their economic woes. Thats why thousands upon thousands have fled to the US and set up base in Miami. These people HATE Castro with all their heart...and they all vote vote for the Republican's who are more hard line with the Castro regime.Quote:
Originally posted by david petley
maybe, though the same tactics have not worked against Cuba. The people there don't blame their leader for keeping them poor, they blame the US for keeping them poor.
dp
Right-wingers can always count on the vote from the Cuban Americans.
a large percentage......how do you do in maths?
thousands upon thousands is not a large percentage of the millions of peope who live happily in Cuba, cursing the US for keeping on interfering in their lives for more tha 30 years. Dayum, talk about holding a grudge.
david p.
well you don't have to pay anything to vote. Just show up.Quote:
Originally posted by fancy a brew ??
That's what I don't get about American politics - what kind of a inalienable right is the right to BUY the opportunity to express your freedom of speech ? I guess poor people are **** out of luck there then.
And you can express your freedom of speech in anyway. You just can't barge into someone's radio or tv station and take there personal property and use it for yourself. You can't break into a private newspaper adn demand that they print what you want them to. You can start your own newspaper etc. But those are personal private property. Adn freedom of speech does not override an individuals right to personal property.
and yes poor people are **** out of luck. Being born into poverty is gods way to saying... well just read the top line of my sig.
I hear that Saddam Hussein is also sending a few undercover soldiers to assassinate Bush.
Murder is murder no matter who is doing it… shame on bush, another religious nut
crazy
How is the U.S. interfering in their lives? if anything the U.S. is totally and completetly staying out of their lives. To bad they themsevles can't do anything with it.Quote:
Originally posted by david petley
a large percentage......how do you do in maths?
thousands upon thousands is not a large percentage of the millions of peope who live happily in Cuba, cursing the US for keeping on interfering in their lives for more tha 30 years. Dayum, talk about holding a grudge.
david p.
if i'm horribably ignorat here, is there a good place for a crash course in cuba?
ehm... after the little "incident" involving the only two nuclear bombs ever dropped on innocent people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, i think the US govt have to step around any issue about Japan rather lightly or else the Japanese govt will use that event and call USA "cowardly terrorist" :DQuote:
Originally posted by fancy a brew ??
Ha ha - go to that http://www.mylittletony.com and ask him this question:
What does George Bush think of Kyoto?
superb !!!
and i warn anyone before disputing this issue because wat USA did should've been condemned as a CRIME OF WAR... but hey... since it's America...
oh do you know this? Japan aren't allowed by USA to have an army and instead a portion of US army is stationed in parts of Japan... i dunno about you but that sounds like an occupation on sovereign country to me... war is over, US doesn't have the rights to station troops in any country...Anyone in the USA ever heard about certain atrocities done by the US soldiers over in japan? that wouldn't need to happen if America weren't so arrogant...
yes i agree America IS a great country... but it hasn't learned humility...
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Originally posted by phlegm_thrower
ehm... after the little "incident" involving the only two nuclear bombs ever dropped on innocent people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima,
atomic, not nuclear, big difference. nuclear is between 1000 and 10000 times more powerfull. And japan attacked pearl harbor, after we defended china agianst them. but that should be in another thread.
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oh do you know this? Japan aren't allowed by USA to have an army and instead a portion of US army is stationed in parts of Japan... Anyone in the USA ever heard about certain atrocities done by the US soldiers over in japan
Japan has a small army/airforce, and navy, much like germany. And yes there have been numerous cases of rape agianst U.S. soldiers. Then there are numerous cases of rape agianst Japanese executives to.
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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
well you don't have to pay anything to vote. Just show up.
Umm no you don't - you have to register and have an address with proof of it- sucks for the homeless i suppose
'Kyoto' isn't referring to Japan per se. It is referring to the Kyoto environmental treaty which every other country on the planet signed last year, then they booed the US delegate as he refused to. Something to do with GWB's oil producing buddies perchance?
Canada, and Australia are no longer on the planet?!!!! D.P., aversion lost..... :( :( :(.Quote:
Originally posted by fancy a brew ??
'Kyoto' isn't referring to Japan per se. It is referring to the Kyoto environmental treaty which every other country on the planet signed last year, then they booed the US delegate as he refused to. Something to do with GWB's oil producing buddies perchance?
Before GWB can sign Kyoto, it most go through congress, And i think there are only 2 senetors that passed it.
unratified key nations:
Alstralia
Brazil
China
Costa Rica (not key but thought they would have)
Ukraine
U.S.
Switzerland
Thailand
Russia
Korea
Indonesia
[Edited by TallGuyLittleCar on 06-17-2002 at 07:03 PM]
Canada, and Australia are no longer on the planet?!!!! D.P., aversion lost..... :( :( :(.Quote:
[i]Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar [/B]
[/B][/QUOTE]
Never heard of 'em
doesn't matter atom or nuclear... still a weapon of mass destruction...hey at least pearl harbour was a military base not a whole city full of innocents... and as far as i can tell China aren't exactly fond of USA as well... i know US defended China but that's only coz US wants something from China... it's always like that with USA... helped Kuwait coz of Oil etc...Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
atomic, not nuclear, big difference. nuclear is between 1000 and 10000 times more powerfull. And japan attacked pearl harbor, after we defended china agianst them. but that should be in another thread.
Yes they have a small force but it's not army... they call it special defence force... which is a pathetic attempt in saving wat little honor left from being told can't have have an army... and u can't compare rapes by US soldier in japan soil with rapes by japanese executive... it's like me comparing rape by chinese soldier in america with rape by an american priest in america... it's irrelevant... rapes always happened (sadly) in any countries but in this case US soldiers shouldn't be there in the 1st place...Quote:
Japan has a small army/airforce, and navy, much like germany. And yes there have been numerous cases of rape agianst U.S. soldiers. Then there are numerous cases of rape agianst Japanese executives to.
oh since u're quoting and responding to my post... how come there's no respond to my comment about the dropping of atom bomb by US as a crime of war?
well this is going to sound like some crazy crap. But I believe once a war starts there can be no crime. War itself is a crime. I suspect anything that tries to legitimize war. So if there are crimes or war, then some things of war must be o.k.????Quote:
Originally posted by phlegm_thrower
oh since u're quoting and responding to my post... how come there's no respond to my comment about the dropping of atom bomb by US as a crime of war?
And both of the atomic bombs did less damage than the conventional bombing of tokyo. For that matter what qualifies as a weapon of mass distruction?
The japanese execs that i was refering to were raping western women brought into japan. neither case is acceptable. If it was up to me all rapists would take a dirt nap.
What did the U.S. want from china?
as far as this whole oil BS, if the u.s. was really driven by oil, the u.s. would be making very very friendly with Iran. Iran has one of the largest untapped oil fields in the world. But The u.s. gov did not allow american companies from investing and bidding on the contract to drill and sell it. The U.S. gov maintianed an embargo that would have allowed the U.S. to tell saudi and a great many other countries to piss off. The U.S. can also drill oil out of alaska to last until we do not need oil.
You did provide the link -- I never mentioned about the link containing the jewish workers report. But here goes anyway:Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
That was NOT the story I was pointing to- there were many many Jewish people killed in the 9/11 attacks- to suggest this was planned by our own government--well I'm not even going to suggest something so absurd-Quote:
Originally posted by tonytryout
Sorry man -- it was cyk. With reference to the jewish worker not turning up for work -- I did not write the report myself. All I said was that there was an unconfirmed report and denied by Bush admin.Quote:
Originally posted by swampy
wasn't my link.
The conspiracy theory about the jewish workers not turning up for work is ludicrous.
Saying that, I am keeping an open mind -- it is now difficult to know which is truth and which is lies. When was the last time you heard a politician telling a truth? remember Clinton lied under oath
At the end of the day, there would not be so much trouble if Bush admin had not supported Isreal so strongly and have the decency to admit wrong doings. And stop being so aggorant towards other countries for example I remember a summit meeting a couple of months ago to talk about pollution and globalisation, all countries agreed to cut down on pollution production. USA did not bother to turn up and in the nicest way possible said "**** off" to the other countries. That is one of the many reasons why there are a lot of resentments.
-tonytryout I don't want to be associated with that type of idiocy (I have my very own)-can you please re-check the article if neccassary(its the Paula Zahn interview) and edit your post accordingly . Meaning do not refernce me as posting a link to the story you describe- I want nothing to do with that mentality.
[Edited by cyk on 06-17-2002 at 01:47 PM] [/B]
FKers (and CIA, MI5, etc. if you are watching this space) please be aware that the Bush News link and the unconfirmed jewish workers are not related. I don't want any abuses or any questions directed at cyk about the story.
-cyk: you must understand that I never said that I had got the report from the link that you provided. Let's be clear and no need for nastiness either (quote: "...type of idiocy..").