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Origin of the cartoon
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The cartoon series appearing on this page that sparked a global controversy was commissioned and published by a Danish newspaper as a deliberate challenge to Muslim insistence that their religious feelings must be given special consideration.
The drawings were commissioned by the Jyllands-Posten (Jutland's Post) to accompany an article on self-censorship and freedom of speech after Danish writer Kare Bluitgen was unable failed to find artists willing to illustrate his children's book about Mohammed for fear of violent attacks by extremist Muslims.
Islamic teachings forbid pictorial depictions of Mohammed.
The cartoons were published on September 30 with an explanatory article by the newspaper's culture editor, Flemming Rose.
The following is a translated summary of the article and explanation of the cartoons published in the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia.
"The modern, secular society is rejected by some Muslims. They demand a special position, insisting on special consideration of their own religious feelings.
"It is incompatible with contemporary democracy and freedom of speech, where you must be ready to put up with insults, mockery and ridicule.
"It is certainly not always equally attractive and nice to look at, and it does not mean that religious feelings should be made fun of at any price, but that is less important in this context. [...] we are on our way to a slippery slope where no one can tell how the self-censorship will end.
"That is why the Jyllands-Posten has invited members of the Danish editorial cartoonists union to draw Mohammed as they see him."
Forty artists were invited to give their interpretation on of how Mohammed may have looked. Twelve responded.
What about the Iranian newspapers that depict Jews, Rabbis and Sharon as monsters and demons on a constant basis? Or the U.S. as an idiot puppet of these demons?
Daryl Cagle on Slate published cartoons form Iran a couple years ago to show the other side of the coin. Go look 'em up.
Again, I don't care if Islam forbids caricatures of Mohammad. Those are rules for Muslims to follow, not everyone else. While it may be insensitive to break that rule if you're not a Muslim, it certainly doesn't warrant the threat of violence as a response.
I agree completely there Palexc,Quote:
Originally Posted by PAlexC
It seems its OK that Christians are made funs of in "free speech",
It seems its OK that Jews are made fun of in "free speech",
Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, even Atheists, all can be made fun of for their beliefs.. both openly and publicly.. on radio, TV, in newspapers, etc,.
Yet muslims are requesting special treatment, to be immune from satirical opining, and not only requesting it but getting APOLOGIES from the heads of state (France, USA, Denmark etc.,).
That is over the top if you ask me.
As long as everyone says 'Merry Christmas' we won't be havin' no problems...
This angers me.
The U.S. gov't wasn't obligated in any way to comment on this. Some sleazy PR junkie thought they would try to earn some brownie points with the Muslim community, rather than stand up for free speech. That punk at the state department should be fired for not keeping his mouth shut when he could have.
If this were an American paper, they wouldn't have made any comment other than "the paper is responsible for itself." If they threw "press responsibility" at an American paper, this country would be up in arms.
I'm really ashamed of our gov't right now.
it is way over the top... they should worry about the garbage propaganda flooding their state controlled papers... really.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipshark
The problem with the arab world is they don't eat any good pork meat. Start eating pork, you'll feel better about the world.
:rolleyes:...."la la la hmm hm tra lala...I'm looking over a four leaf clover that I've over...." oops sorry.....wrong thread.
iTony
I'm sorry to resort to a "two wrongs don't make a right" comment. But it's what's happening in with this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAlexC
/Flip
No... you don't get what he's saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
He is saying there is a double standard. If one person/group does something over and over again, but then complains when another person/group does the same thing back to the first group... thats a double standard.
i have only read the 1st page so its more of a side note but didnt the majority of the profits dipict (use imagary to portray) poeple, nations and God?
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"Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, absolutely forbids depictions, even positive ones, of the Prophet Muhammad in order to prevent idolatry."
I totally get what he's saying. He's asking why it is ok for Iranians to depict Jews in a distasteful way, but not for the Danish to do it to Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markp.com
Err... yeah it's a case of "two wrongs don't make a right" if I ever saw one. Either way, I am yet to hear that Iranians are making any threats over the cartoons. Why even mention them???
/Flip
No, the Iranians are busy doing other things..like developing nuclear weapons, so that the religion of peace can be further promoted..Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
But please continue...
iTony
Way to go off tangent. But since you brought it up.... This falls into the category of buying into propaganda.
You so conveniently call it 'nuclear weapons.'
Show me one evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons, and that their nuclear energy program isn't for just that--energy.
Just because US propaganda says it's the case doesn't make it so. Learn from history (recent history). And please don't come back with a "but, the EU is saying it too." The EU is saying it to save their relationship with the US over the Iraq war. Why? Jews > US > EU in the global hierarchy.
Freedom fries anyone?
/Flip
Hate only begets hate.....the cartoons were obviously an attempt at humor ( as untasteful as they are ) they weren't an incitement of hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
The problem stems with Muslims, who cannot, like mature people, simply ignore them, but seem to be insulted by them and who want to impose "their" Religious dogma on the rest.
This is just another step in the creation a society based on 2 laws ( in England Muslims are already pushing authorities for their leaders to deal with community issues ( regarding muslims) under their Sharia laws as opposed to Common Law of the land).....thanks to multiculturalism.
Oh yeah the 2 laws is based on this: It's ok for them to incite to hatred and violence using, race, religion, and prejudice.
But it's against the law when others (not of their faith ) do it.
iTony
No, I'm not going to show you, and Im not going to provide links....if you haven't been following the news lately,and if you are really that gullible, there is no point, it seems like everyone else (including China and Russia) the IAEA is convinced that they are...except you.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
NOTE: I don't want to take this thread off topic either...:)
iTony
To put these types of anti-islam propaganda in a broader perspective, western media is relentless in their pursuit of swaying public opinion in the west. Read this line from CNN and tell me if it isn't loaded with spin.
"German media have reported the technology was intended for Iran, to be used in its Shahab, or Shooting Star, medium-range missile program that can carry a nuclear warhead and reach Israel and various U.S. military bases in the region." Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html
This happens all the time. The reaction that you are seeing isn't due to a single occurence of cartoons meant for humor. In my opinion, accumulating anti-islam propaganda is reaching a boiling point. There is absolutely no need for more. Period.
This debate is about media, protected under free speach, acting wrecklessly, in order to achieve a specific goal. While you might call it humor, others aren't taking it sitting down.
/Flip
Thank you, you just confirmed what I thought when I started reading your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
iTony
Exactly... "the news"Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
/Flip
Which is? Oh, do tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
/Flip
On the Iranians motives for wanting nuclear power, you would have to draw the long bow of gullibility, not to see it for what it is, and given the Iranian presidents recent statements that "Israel should be wiped off the map" and "The end of America is coming" along with other bigoted and fascist statements made recently.......then I guess you are right, they only want it for peacefull purposes :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
France has over 5 million muslims, and have been very tolerant ( in fact they have been criticized for it )
Cartooninsts take the mickey out of every one and any one, they don't discriminate in that....and yes it was done in humour (I dont agree with the humour, as i dont like it when they do worse with images of jesus etc)
But that's what it was, Muslims are the ones taking it badly, they just have to realise that their beliefs are not above every one elses....religious or not.
iTony
Look at your last sentence about the UN, US Jews= Global hirachy, and it tells me somenting about your views.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
Dude...even the most liberal posters in here seem to disagree with your "sentiments" towards these cartoons and muslims actions, I'm not that silly to see when some one is trying to bring balance to an argument or an issue, and when some one has a deeper "passion"...it eventualy shows in the comments.
iTony
LOL.... I also know where to find the "real" news....but you can only get that by becoming a member of the stone cutters.....Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
There are plenty of news outlets other than CNN or FOX or BBC......and most of them much better at presenting the news and content than the above..and at the moment thay are saying the same thing on this issue.
iTony
Seriously, you're losing me. Are you talking about the cartoons, religion, islam, or Iran's nuclear (energy or weapons depending on what you read) *****ions?
'The same thing' being what???Quote:
There are plenty of news outlets other than CNN or FOX or BBC......and most of them much better at presenting the news and content than the above..and at the moment thay are saying the same thing on this issue.
Ther are opposing views in every argument. Everyone obviously has a 'passion' for one side if they are arguing for it.Quote:
I'm not that silly to see when some one is trying to bring balance to an argument or an issue, and when some one has a deeper "passion"...it eventualy shows in the comments.
I know what my views are. The question is what you are insinuating with your personal remarks.Quote:
Look at your last sentence about the UN, US Jews= Global hirachy, and it tells me somenting about your views.
/Flip
The censured word is "a m b i t i o n s", Why does it get censured?
wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
Just what I was thinking... W A C O ! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
Hey flip, you ever heard of stormfront.org?
Might be a great forum to discuss your ideas with likeminded individuals.
so if the Iranians make threats about the cartoons you'll be cool with it... he he he. Funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
are your neurons intact? how many more threats can Iran make.
ummmm... why even mention them??? the most vocally racist leader in the world if you ask me... that's why. and not a word or protests from the peaceful Isalm countries...
DOUBLE (AS IN 2) STANDARD. K
you are a motherFvckin' piece of $hitQuote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
[QUOTE=flipsideguy]Seriously, you're losing me. Are you talking about the cartoons, religion, islam, or Iran's nuclear (energy or weapons depending on what you read) *****ions?
Should I break them down for you? I thought it was obvious.
The Iranian regimes intention on their nuclear program, that is what.Quote:
'The same thing' being what???
Dude...I used the word "passion" for you, to be diplomatic.Quote:
Ther are opposing views in every argument. Everyone obviously has a 'passion' for one side if they are arguing for it.
Listen, I can see when some one is trying to defend their beliefs or views....but you just seem to be going that extra mile on defending the iissue of Muslims taking offense etc, and then when you make statements like UN,US, Jews = Globa hyrachy, you are starting to sound very much like the Islamofascists that you are trying to defend.Quote:
I know what my views are. The question is what you are insinuating with your personal remarks.
/Flip
So my insinuation is that your views are more extreme than you are making out in your posts.
You are not just making a balanced case about Muslims being offended, your bias sticks out like the proverbial dogs balls.
And lets not get in to the Iran issue, you refuse to see it for what it is, and I'm genuinely sorry that.
iTony
::::Hey flip, you ever heard of stormfront.org?
LOL...Don't they have to wear some sort of uniform to log on to that site?
iTony
it's clear as crystal... *tink*Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
don't worry, it's gradually progressing if you read all his posts...Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
It just chesses me off when people try to come across all nice and neutral, all knowing and understanding on these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adixx
Yet not long into their posts you start to see that all they are is just typical anti US anti Israel Islamofascist simpathisers.
Sure the Muslims are offended ( These days it seems like they are unhappy about everything and everyone anyway) I don't agree with what those cartoons were trying to portray, as I dont agree when these cartoonists do it with Jesus and Christianity)
But to start marching and calling for the beheading and death to those who drew them is just over the top, ridiculous and childish stupidity.
People worry about Bushs Snoopgate as an attack on their freedom?.....that ain't nothing compared to what is fermenting at the moment in Western countries with Islam.
What you saw this week is just the tip of the iceberg.
iTony
"what is fermenting at the moment in Western countries with Islam."
just wanna add that its not only "Western countries" and "...with Islamic radicals"
to b fair, thank you.
Yes you are right, it's also happening in moderate Muslim lands as well....I'd like to know how a minority has such controll over a majority?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jujumon
iTony
well...being a muslim I was really offended by this sh** and I can say alot of things about what happened and what some people wrote in this forum but I just want to make one point here...they talk abt Freedom of Speech...its so funny....because if I tell the editor of that newspaper which initially published those images...that...'Mr editor..I think ur mommas a$$ is pretty big and she looks like a $lut' or 'I say all Dans/Norwegians/French look like pigs?' and we publish this in a newspaper..then I can also say...its freedom of speech...isnt it...? anyways...I think...those of who who are smart will get my point...
easy guys!
Oh, come on, it's been going on since the Crusades. Shouldn't surprise anyone though. Five major religions in the world and one of them can't get along with itself, let alone the others, what would you expect.Quote:
that ain't nothing compared to what is fermenting at the moment in Western countries with Islam.
But I think it's right to believe that the west is getting a bit tired of being charitable with them. And I don't see all the worry about them having the bomb. They'll probably use it on each other.
If u live in the US, would u worry about osama having nuclear weapon? I would
"I'd like to know how a minority has such controll over a majority?"
weapons and fears, the old Iraq for example.