Game Challenges?

^Hmm, didn't think about that...
I belive we should do it in category and an overall winner, just like the challenges in the past on Flash kit. Anyone agree?

Yeah, I think that way is better. Everyone votes for their favorite in each category and for an overall best. If all the people agree in going this way, we should also define the categories.

Categories I can think of:
Best overall game
Best gameplay
Best graphics (eye candy)
Most fun
Replay value

Those are the only ones I can think of ATM. Feel free to add/remove from the list!

uh, i don't want to seem off topic but i'm beginning to think i should have started my thread here not at the Newbies section, cause I'm not getting much help. :confused:

(My thread, Please take a look)
http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?t=778424

btw great idea with the comps, doubt I'll even have a chance though

^First of, please don't spam this thread with unrelated stuff.
Second, it dosen't matter if you don't have a chance, since you will learn new techniques of people, since (hopefully) a lot of the games will go open-source. The competitions are not just about winning either, since it could be a good start for their own game, having the fun of doing something with the whole FlashKit community, and get criticism on how you can improve in the future.
So in my opinion, just join in, and give it your best!
:)

I think those categories are good, they cover every aspect (don't quite get the replay value one. Do you mean if you come again to play the game?). I would suggest to add another one. As this will be open source (for the ones who want it) there could be a "best coding" category, so the ones who make their game open for everyone also get a plus by having a chance to win into this category. You can evaluate how efficient the code is, how compact, etc... What do you think?

^Yep, will definitely add it in then!
Should it include how well documented (comments) it is?

Yeah, I think that would be cool. Commenting should be encouraged, definitely very important for a learning purpose.

At this rate we're going to have more categories than entries

At this rate we're never going to have a competition.

Explain?

I say cut it down to first second and possibly third place.
Too many of these categories are going to go to the same entry, and as has been mentioned we are going to have more categories than entries.

Ok...so we just have best overall game?

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Originally Posted by ImprisonedPride

At this rate we're never going to have a competition.

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yes, we're having it. On next weekend as far as I know :)

I don't see why is it so bad to have categories. Check beatcow's 48hr comps. Why not having some recognition to the best graphics, most fun, etc? It doesn't require too much effort to vote for one into each category. Maybe we should have just 3 or 4.

There won't be enough entries for all these categories. Every entry will end up winning like 2 things. Plus if you make it so people can win based on graphics, some people will spend all weekend on graphics. If you make it so people can win based on code documentation, people will spend all weekend documenting code. We want people to spend all weekend making a good game, in every way.

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in every way

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Exactly. Thats why judging in the categories would make a good game, since people try to win in EVERY possible category. Winning in one dosen't mean that you win the whole competition.
See PhobiK's last post.

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Originally Posted by WesIsGood

We want people to spend all weekend making a good game, in every way.

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So what's wrong about recognizing every way? There wasn't problem in previous 48hr comps just because they had categories. Instead it was encouraging that if you didn't win the overall first place you could still win in something else. So if you all don't want them, it's ok. I just don't see any evil in them.

*shrug*, it seems silly to me. But I don't actually care about this issue one way or another, so whatever people want is fine with me.

I suppose you are right. It's more fun with lots of categories.

I'm with Wes, it's unrealistic to believe that people are on FK are going to cover all 15 categories in 48H, especially when you've been preaching this to be open to complete amateurs an beginners.

^What if it is only 3 categories?
(Best overall game, best graphics, best gameplay)

That shouldn't by a problem.

That's like jayisgames' judging panel.

^there's no problem with that, right?

Sorry I've come to this thread after a load of pages have been added, but what's wrong with the old voting categories ?

The rule being you can't vote for the same game twice, aside from overall game (So when voting for Game A, you can vote for it in best graphics and best overall, but not also in most addictive etc. ).

It means that there's more chance for people to walk away with something from it, for example a game may pick up best graphics but not win overall, at least the developer who has spent the time on the graphics gets some acknowledgement for it.

It's just the overall votes which count for best game, ie the winner, everything else are just feel good votes.

Squize.

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Originally Posted by Beatcow

Your game will be voted on in these categories:

-Best Art

It is obvious to see who put more effort into aesthetics and who put less. This category rules over the graphical beauty of your game.

-Most Fun

Pretty Self-Explanatory

-Most hard work

This is more of a subjective category since it’s hard to judge how much work someone put into their game. However, it’s easy to recognize what is easy and what is hard to do in Flash(or even takes more time), so try to base yourself on those guidelines. Ex: A simple man moving compared to a man walking with detailed movement took less time to make. You be the judge.

-Most original

Another GTA game!? Oh please, games should be “out of the blue” and completely random at best. If the topic is Almonds and you make a tic-tac-toe game with almonds and nuts, you’ll have less of a chance of winning than if you made an intergalactic conquest based on the adventures of Sir Almondalot and that he is traveling to save his fellow nuts from becoming crazy(quite ironic). Well this category is pretty self-explanatory, so just see what game is different from the rest(in a good way).

-All around goodness

You have to at least have one favorite, so this is your chance to vote on the person who made your favorite game.

-There is also another category called “All around best total” and is given to the person who receives the most votes in total (all of the categories combined). I do this, and you cannot vote for it.

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Just stick to this.

My vote: Man up. Winning doesn't mean anything if everyone wins.

^Well, what if you win in every category?
That means something...

just look back at the past challenges, it worked PERFECTLY with multiple categories!

what if you learned a whole bunch of techniques and had tons of fun?

nah, doesn't matter unless everybody acknowledges that you are the sole winner of everything.

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what if you learned a whole bunch of techniques and had tons of fun?

nah, doesn't matter unless everybody acknowledges that you are the sole winner of everything.

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Look, I've mentioned many times that winning in this contest at this point doesn't mean anything. But, by adding a bunch of categories for people to win, there is an unstated assumption that winning does mean something. And I'm saying that if winning is supposed to mean something, then making everyone a winner is counterproductive. Plus, in my opinion, it's just a hassle having to vote on so many different things.

If you want to compliment someone on their documentation, nothing stops you from doing that outside the bounds of the contest.

But again, I don't care either way. Just offering the alternate view.

The winner is the person who gets the most votes in the overall section.

It's not a case of being ultra liberal "We're all winners, well done everyone", it's a case of encouraging people to enjoy developing Flash games and to take it further.
If someone completing their first ever game comes even second in say "Most original" isn't that better than finding out they've come 8th overall ? Won't that give them more of a boost ?

There is only one winner, then there are placings in the separate categories. It's not watering down the win for anyone, it's not making everyone equal.

Squize.

^word

I agree, keep more categories since it lightens the atmosphere and makes it more fun for everyone.

I must say that there is a lot of discussion about very minor issues in this thread. Just go with the flow.

Just letting everyone know: The challenge will start 48 hours, 10 minutes! So be prepared...
:)

Well, count me out. I thought we were voting about when...

I think it was set to this weekend because most of the people said they couldn't do it today nor the past weekend (?)

^Yep

Bah humbug!

I won't be able to participate this weekend.

I'm not disputing the timing for this one, we've had enough dispute already, but maybe for future events you could announce a date more than 2 days ahead of time. I'm thinking maybe even go into the range of a couple weeks ahead of time so there's time to adjust it based on people's schedules.

Or maybe we already did this and I was out of the loop. I'm not trying to raise a fit, it's just something to think about for next time.

^sorry about that, I thought I posted it in this thread....

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Originally Posted by pseudobot

OK, it will be next weekend in this case. :)

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I did announce it a few days earlier, but in the theme thread, and not the main thread. Big apologies for this...
:(

maybe we should create a thread for the time schedule and vote?

Yeah, that would be good. If not there's gonna be very few entries if most of the people won't be able to enter.