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Fair enough mate, I guess they are valid points. To me though, bone wall is still one very annoying card to be playing against. I can put creatures out, but when the computer is feeding its BW to the max every turn its frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
For the record, I never said all top 50 decks are denial decks, I was simply saying it seemed to me that there was a high amount with bone walls.
Hello, just a bit of a request. Accidentally sold a NaN card, so I'd like it if you could reset my gold back to 0. My username ingame is LeeEzekiel as well. Thank you.
Noone ever said it would have to be unbalanced did they? :) I believe people would do a lot for even small improvements to the 'regular' cards. Can all be balanced (balance is also ensured by making the card hard to get = you wont likely have 6 of them in the deck).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaythal
A wish for game developers: Can you make the 'Your cards' area bigger so there is room for all cards?
enhancement request:
currently, max card limit is equal to number of cards you can have at start of round (8)
thus if you have 8 cards on hand (7 +1 drawn this round), but none of them are playable, there is absolutely nothing you can do.
trying to use the golden hourglass fails (as there is no place to put new card)
optimal solution: increase maximum hand size (to say 10), but force to discard down to 7 at end of round anyway
playing a Time deck, so i can pull out hourglasses, but i have very few other time cards so in a no-pillar draw this becomes a massive problem (i would have gotten other pillars with increased card draw, hopefully, but currently can't even do that)
From my experience so far, I must say that the beta of the update is EXCELLENT! Well done and thanks Zanz :)
Where can I find the beta?
I just wait and firebolt around them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
Its not any specific deck type. It's 2 cards. Take a firefly queen deck, switch to death elemental and throw in a few bone walls, or earth and earthquakes. The deck is hugely improved. It's annoying to always face those 2 cards in nearly every deck. Not that I can't beat the computer. But the best indicator of a card being overpowered is- does it fit into every other deck there is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
Thanks for the link!Quote:
Originally Posted by hull
Wow... Looked around. Looks really interesting. A couple thoughts...
Fire got totally nerfed. The spells got cheaper but same damage and since the most annoying creatures (pest and a couple others) defense went up to 4- it will take 2 firestorms to kill them or an extra 10 fire mana in reserve for firebolt.
Does earthquake destroy towers as well as pillars? (haven't played enough to find out)
Is there any difference in the cards that don't appear to have changed from regular to upgraded such as flying weapon? I thought maybe could have 6 of each but that doesn't work...
Would an improved steal be able to steal a non-upgraded non-stealable card?
Card idea: something that would change a "normal" card to the elite version for the current game
Name suggestions:
Lycanthrope - Werewolf
Vulture - Condor
Bone Dragon - Dracolich
Skeleton - zombie (maybe new art?)
Plague - Bubonic Plague
Cockatrice - Basilisk
Farenheit - Celcius
Pegasus - War Pegasus
OK... 'nuff for now!
I think if you win the cointoss and may begin, thats to great of an advantage. Why dont balance that, like it is done in Magic the Gathering. The Player who begins just gets 7 cards. I think thats a really important balance issue.
Additionally i think, it should be possible to save more than one deck. I see many new players who create multiple accounts, to try different colors, and loose motivation because of that, especially because that way, they aren't able to collect rares.
The reason why my motivation went away is the really buggy pvp mode. I had one mulitcolor deck, with which i could play one single game without any bugs.
Btw you should create a "surrender" button in pvp. So if a player sees himself beat, he just clicks it and the game ends for both. So the winner doesn't have to wait over a minute till the time went to zero and plays the already won game against the AI.
I have Question, too.
Where can i test the "Upgrade Card Feature" in the new Beta ? Is it in the Baazar?
Winning the coin toss can be a disadvantage if both players have only 30 cards- if the game stalemates, the player who goes first will lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverBee
I agree about saving multiple decks, hope to see a feature like that someday.
The surrender button is a good idea too.
Also- upgrade cards is under quests.
Another idea I thought of- instead of pillars showing up in slot machine, add a special that if you get all three it upgrades a random un-upgraded card in your deck!
I dont think thats an argument. If you want to have that advantage of not getting stacked fisrt, just put 31 cards in your deck. But really, how often does that happen, i think it happend 1 time too me and i played lots of games, and only because i drawed 5 cards er turn with the hourcalss and my opponent healed himself to 99 two times.Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder68
The guys from Wizard of the Cost (Magic the Gathering) know why they give the the 2nd player one more card. It would be overpowered for the starting player otherwise.
I do still think, its VERY important to fix this ! Beginning is to great of an advantage !
It happens a lot if you've played earthquake/dissipation shield/bone wall type decks against each other. Even phase shield to a lesser extent. Empathic bonds/miracles and keep both players alive until decks run out as well.
But why keep a massive imbalance because of that, when you can combat it simply by getting more cards in your deck. The game isn't designed for just 30 cards. So if you want to play with just the minimum to get your important cards quicker, pay the price ;)
30 cards gives better control of your starting hand and card draws. more cards dilutes your deck and increases your odds of getting mana screwed or just as bad- all your good cards on the bottom half of the deck and never drawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverBee
It's a tradeoff.
Just a couple of thoughts on game balance.
The more I'm playing the game and trying new deck strategies, I think the game is as balanced as you're going to get. There's no one deck build that can consistently beat every other deck. I've had my gripes about a couple of things (poison, eternity), but I think Zanz has done a really good job with the game balance. Just when I think I've made the 'unbeatable' deck, I'll play a T50 or PVP deck that will own me. My first response after having my a$$ handed to me is to gripe about the element of the game that beat me. But so far, you can ALWAYS build a deck that will be able to beat any other deck. In my opinion, that's the definition of balanced.
I agree. Except it's not a tradeoff. You always want as few cards as possible. Consistency matters. A lot. If necessary you can put in more. Typically I would add removal for extra or more pillars. UNless you run some sort of stalll deck, then you can run 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder68
I think it would be good to have more creatures with momentum. It would help the large amount of bone walls.
elements is a cool game, i just have a few gripes.
Rares are extremely overpowered if only one side has them. Please remove them from the level 1-3 decks, as it makes it very frustrating if you are just starting out.
Also can you make it possible to get your faction rare (just 1) through a quest.
new bug
i seem to be having 8 rows of the card Eternity, with diffrent quantities.
rares aren't as overpowered as you think but they could be removed from level 1 at least to help new players out but it shouldn't be too much of a pronlem. Also if it was removed form level 3 then it'd be impossible to win new rares when they come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by redaku
Alsi in the next update you CAN get a free rare through a quest but you need to have 500 points.
ok i sold 1 of the eternities to se what will happen, and after i sold it my money became NaN. Then i refreshed my page and looged in again and now my money went from 8.5k to 0????? wtf is going on???Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexo
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Originally Posted by NeverBee
I agree with NeverBee. Winning the coin toss and being able to start has too much influence on who is going to win. I lost so many games because the opponent was able to start and put out an Devourer or Arctic Squid prior to my Otyugh. That was the turning point of the match. On the other hand, if I played my Otyugh against these decks first, the opponent often never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder68
The number of games decided by coin toss is magnitudes higher than the number of games decided by running out of cards. NeverBee also mentioned the solution to this "problem": Simply add a few more cards to your deck or risk to run out of cards. It's your decision.
In a nutshell, reducing the cards of the person to begin to 7 would definitely help to reduce the influence of luck.
Also, optional redraws of one card less than before at the beginning of a match would help to minimize luck and the need to cut down your deck to 30 cards. If you drew 8 bad cards, trade them in for 7 new ones.
feature request:
change armagio to have free "remove gravity pull" ability when he is under gravity pull effect
these guys are nice at stopping damage, but when i have a firewall out and he's being smacked by a dozen 1/1 creatures this becomes silly
bug?
when gravity pull is in effect, only some shields function
(those which have miss chance or other attack restrictions seem to continue to function; things like firewall do not work)
feature request:
change cash payouts for slot machine
currently the third one takes the longest to stop, but gives absolutely nothing if the first two are different (and so why am i wasting time watching it? i *know* i won't get anything)
add a coin payout for any two being identical, not just the first two
and just in case i haven't mentioned it yet - awesome game! :)
bug?
stealing a bone wall steals only *one* bonewall, and leaves the rest in place
Hi All!
Just dropping by and say hi to the Elements community :)
I'm back to play! (I never quited - I was out on vacations!! xD - in the beach ;P )
*back on reading the forum ...*
Sam you missed out on A LOT here recently with the upgrades coming out in beta and all that. Plus you need to come join the chat.
balance issue:
Trident is absurdly overpowered
take a rather overpowered spell (earthquake)
give it as unlimited charges to a rare weapon
result: those who have it have an instant and absurd advantage over those who don't.
so far every time the thing has come into play my pillars have completely disappeared within 4-5 turns at most and i have eventually lost.
Sam, I just met your deck: a Bone/Nightfall (I ofc owned it cos the comp sucks)
The fact is: I created that deck by my own and pvped with it this week
Now: did you stole my idea (^_^) , or was it already invented back in the days (-_-)?
Please do not make this like WoW forum: full of crying nerf request (or buff request, when the subject is your preferred card)Quote:
Originally Posted by zzz123
And, as Disaru said 2 pages ago: if you think denial is too good, either play with more Novas or make your own denial deck
Loosing the coin toss can be an advantage too.
I have a 60 card Rainbow deck and its spezialised on countering the opposits taktic.
For example, if your up against a Death deck with boneyards, vultures and viruses, i stop playing any monster cards, knowing that that would only feed the enemys boneyards and vultures.
If you know what kind of deck and what kind of taktic the enemy is going to use, you can save the more important cards, and discard/sacrifice the unimportants.
Off course that only works with a flexible deck. 30 card Decks are often set in stone as soon as the game starts.
Hello all.
First thing: Great game, I've been playing a lot since I started about a week ago.
I like the consepts of the new stuff in the Beta test. The new cards and the upgradecards are realy fun ideas. I have mostely teasted the Fallen Elf card.
My Beta deck is called Test4fun. Have a look at the latest incarnation of my Mutating Elf deck.
I must say I'm not sure the upgrade for the elf is to my likeing, though. I realy like the killing potential of the elfs abilety both for tactical reasons as well as the fun of the random factor. A consistant strong mutation takes way from the flavor of the Elf in my oppinion. I would love to se a 0\4 or 0\5 elf who upgrades to 0\6 or 0\7. The Elf is too easy to kill now, and the Elf is more of a "lover" than a "fighter" in my oppinion.
A possible option for making the Elf viable for pvp play: The Elf Mutates instead of dying when it is killed.
To sum it up: I realy love the Fallen Elf card and I would play it outside the Beta even though it isn't realy usefull as it is against a thinking opponent. You would probably be much better of playing a basic Mutation card in pvp.
Again thank you for a very fun game.
note, i'm not *****ing about a particular strategy, only about a specific card (earthquake is friggin' powerful, but it's a card, so it interferes with card flow and is limited. trident, if not a game ender, improves win chance by such a large percentage that...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaythal
as for "make your own denial deck" - out of 280 wins, i've gotten only one rare card and it wasn't a trident.
otherwise i would :)
Two things - WELCOME BACK!!! Glad to have you with us. Now, if you don't already know, then there is a wiki for the game at www.elementsthegame.wikia.com - its always wanting articles - 100 is the target, then it can be featured and advertized on other sites. Then more than 100 articles obviously. Did you have a good time on holiday?Quote:
Originally Posted by -Samura-
Next thing...
I downloaded some games for my DSi this morning, (DSiWare) and was thinking, 'What would make a good addition to the available DSiWare?' (you can see where this is going, right?) How about, zanz, you approach Nintendo, and see if they would either make a full-blown buy-a-card-for-30-pounds-and-play-it game, or a DSiWare version. I know that I'd play it, I'm sure others would, and it would be fantastic advertising. What do you say?
btw...I'm in France, on holiday, connected to the net through my DSi, so things may not be spelt right. I can't play the game though, because DSi's can't get flash...:,(
Hi Kaythal, that deck I made back before I went to vacations 3 weaks ago :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaythal
Yeah I did a really good time :) ... I hope I get some more before the summer is over ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilchard123
about the wiki - yes, is a great idea, I just posted yesterday my old "Dark -Skelies" deck to it .. it was built to win Aether on the regular version, but it is strong too in the Beta if all cards are upgraded of course.. (at least - Bone Wall - because of the high cost on Beta)
Came across something wierd in BETA, when you choose which rare you want it's missing arctic squid, does it just offer weapons or did the developer just forget to put AS in?
Few more notes:
1. The immaterial phase dragon kinda killed aether strategy
2. Upgrated collosal dragon might be my favorite now
3. The fake god is really strong, but what's worse about it is the rewards arn't all that good...why is it that the spins still remain the same since lvl 3? how about upping the spinner for lvl 6 atleast since it's pretty hard to beat. Dont really care about getting a updated card.
4. Lessening the amount it took to summon a card was kinda unimaginative for a updated card.
What did everyone else choose to get for their rare?
I chose arsenic to try a arsenic-parallel universe strategy
Worked ok, not too great...shoulda gotten discord.
Lol! OK. From all the whining, bone wall has been nerfed to over twice it's original cost.
Each update, aether gets another downgrade. Time/Aether Anubis is kind of useless now that most aether creatures are already immortal, which was probably one of the most viable combinations with aether. I can see why you want to prevent mono-aether, and promote combinations with aether, but now it's just nulled to the bone.
The only thing a mono-aether deck can PU is phase spiders, but I don't see why PU got another downgrade because mono-aether can't copy anything else. I still think it should be at 6, considering you can't copy phase dragon anymore, why would you waste 7 quanta to copy a 3 quanta phase spider?
My predictions, once upgraded FFQ decks come to rise, it'll get nerfed :P Upgrading a FFQ is like getting multiple upgraded creatures (elite fireflies).
EDIT: FFQ sucks!! just tried it out. my prediction is wrong lol I think the original FFQ was even better, you could use rustler or miracle. fire doesn't do anything for you lol
My prediction- upgraded earthquake will show up in every single deck. The best card in the game got even better.