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If you pick your fights and focus on consistently beating one or two of the level 6 decks and write off anything less than a perfect start on the rest, you can accumulate wins very rapidly by accumulating losses even more rapidly--loseloseloseloseloseloseloseloseloselose1500 CARD!!loseloseloselose1500 CARD!! and so on. If you know within a few turns whether you're going to win or not you can blow through level 6 fights very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
Ok, I could see how that could help......you get to -1050 score faster. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel
And -1050 score is a bad thing... why, again?
Well, win consistently and gain score with lv3 versus. win sporadically with big highs and big lows and lose score with lv6. That's the option you have, its just that big highs and big lows equal out to the same level as consistently winning in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel
EDIT: Why is it that mono-aether is the only element that can beat lv6 with no upgrades at a decent rate, all other non-upgraded mono-ele are pretty bad at lv6. and it is still better than some upgraded decks .... :P riddle me that.
feature request:
allow people to "buy" mark changes rather than pay for them
so if i pay for mark of life once, but then switch, i don't have to pay for it again
experimenting with different decks is getting expensive :(
While it all averages out in terms of money per game, when I'm going all out for cash on level 6 I can burn through games much faster, which lets me fund my experimental decks more quickly. So in terms of actual time spent I'm pretty sure I'm coming out ahead a bit in the long term even when my luck is not very good, and as I don't plan on caring about my score any time in the foreseeable future I don't really see the drawback.
Oh wait, I guess I'm missing out on the riveting fights and challenging fast-paced demands of the level 3 arena! Darn it all.
I've been keeping track all day. Now that I have mastered basically every single fight's strategy and made a few upgrades.. recently I have been:Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
(I keep track of my stats every 20 games)
Most recent:
20 Games
15 Losses
5 Wins
2 Cards
Second most recent:
20 Games
14 Losses
6 Wins
1 Card
Next most recent:
20 Games
17 Losses
3 Wins
2 Cards
Next most recent
20 Games
14 Losses
6 Wins
2 Cards
I'm pretty sure its more profitable than Tier 3 unless you want to prove me wrong with some uber math.
Personally I think it takes real skills and luck to beat fully upgraded decks with just a plain deck
this is just a game high score here or have 5 fully upped deck does mean **** in real life so just have fun and don't be frustrated if u lose sometimes...
IMO the game is perfectly playable with no upgrades and more challenging, no point wasting ur youth on some upgrades that's not really op
And incase you didn't notice. The *ONLY* benefit of being high in score is if you take great pride in being in the top 50.
I would much rather have a fully upgraded deck then be in the top 50... LOL
wanted to spend 600c in gabriel's dive parallel
20 games, 1 Miracle match, lost due to NO shield draw. (probably doable though)
All the rest was slaughter (best try against Hermes, i copyed his 16/26 ablaze, and my shields holded for 6 turns!)
/sigh
My deck
Mark of Air
6 Air Pillar
9 Aether Pillar
4 Wyrm
6 PU
5 Shields
Also, how can the mono-aether be consistent? 3 days ago with a deck with 3 Immortals and "only " 15 pillars (and the dragons doin 9 dmg) i couldn't outdamage neither Miracle nor Queen (didn't tried it much, 10 games or something, but i'll go back to aether if you confirm it's still viable)
The more I read here the more I feel either joked around or unlucky as hell :-(
I just wanted to report back and say that after 10 tries I finally beat a Lvl 6er...although I can't remember who it was...but I also got really close to beating miracle. I had two phase dragons waiting in my hand and i just kept drawing more pillars...if I had one more dragon I could have put them all out and put him away, but at 27 life he used a miracle and that was that.
Ive had decent success against Lvl 6 by loading up on Otyugh's and plate armor, if you get the gravity shield out and eat their offense you can do enough dmg to win. You have to do it in rainbow mode though because I haven't found a way to beat them without some type of healing.
I've been trying the mono-aether deck against fake gods as well, and I think PU is essential. I just beat incarnate and would have never won if I didn't PU 4 of his vamps (which I won an upgraded vamp). It helps too to PU miracle's blessed x 3 dragons. :) Has anyone been able to beat seism with mono-aether? That one owns me everytime. I've got a pretty decent no-tower deck that I wanna try against him. Even if you end up losing score in the long run against lvl6, it's still a much more enjoyable way to grind, IMO.
If you look at sixones log, he wins 4/20 fights, so you needed to lose more than 10 games on average to see any profit hehe :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaythal
I don't know if level 6 is more enjoyable grind, because most games you just get squashed and the ones you win, the stars align and you get the right draw, shields up in time and enough pillars to put out your dragons. And mono-aether is still a boring grind, don't see how you can find it enjoyable. The only thing I like over level 6 is that it has badass background music lol.
But sixones, I salute you for winning that much :P Still, I think you'll regret being in the high negative scores when everything is said and done lol. Honestly, top50 isn't too big of a bonus. But I'm top50 AND have a fully upgraded deck, so its not really "either or" for some people :P
I personally don't care at all about my score. I just want to play for fun.
@CB!
If you don't mind me asking...how many PUs do you put in your deck?
Currently my deck is 16 pillars, 6 PU, 6 sheilds, and 6 dragons. 34 card deck, I know, but with a decent draw, I'm consistently beating miracle and incarnate.Quote:
Originally Posted by r3h0ld3r
I didn't understood if he won 20% with un-upped or now that's partially upped. I thought to play mono-aether by myself and, after 10 games (actually was 9) I thought I was wrong. Then I read here and seems someone was doin "progress" (lol). Now I wanted to know if it's still doable with 6 dragons + 6 shields + pillars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
I dunno about sixones, but I started 10 days ago and before the patch I was able to get only 1 rare weap (over 200 wins). I got the second weap through quests but they're not makin that huge difference, thus I can't hope for a "constant rate" of winning. I think that a complete rainbow (with heals/miracle, hourglass, flying weapons, phase shields and/or the new elf) without any upgrades, should be quite consistent against the gods. But since I'm just a newb at least A COUPLE of wins would change my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
Ouch. :( I've had that happen to me once out of several dozen wins--there is no guarantee ever. But I'm pretty certain the gods do show up with equal frequency; I've gone through 100+ fights on some sessions and Miracle pretty reliably shows up for 10% of them in the long run, although naturally there will be droughts or clumping. I've had runs of 20+ games where he didn't show up, and I've had back to back wins off of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaythal
I recommend upping your shields by 1 and switching a couple of the air pillars to aether (with mark of air you only need to get 1 pillar out, and since it's a stall-heavy strategy you don't really need to stack 6 of them). You may also cut back to 3 wyrms, as again drawing extras won't really do you any good and you can generally afford to wait until you get one of them. You need 6x shield, though; while the advantage of this strategy is that it can kill very fast once you get everything in place, you'll usually need to be able to stall until you get the right cards.
The nice thing is that other than drawing shields in time the deck is very forgiving about the order your cards come in. Dive/PU can still usually win against Miracle with ridiculous draws as long as you have enough shields--and "enough shields" can often be as low as 2 or 3, as dive makes things go from 200 HP to 0 very quickly.
"Enjoyable" and "grind" don't belong in the same sentence, buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaru
That said, the enjoyment isn't in the grind itself so much as it is the challenge of trying to come up with reliable counters. I don't enjoy pursuing decks that might win if you draw every card in the exact right order and the opponent doesn't bring out any of their 3 or 4 different cards that are all perfectly capable of shutting you down--another reason why I focus on trying to just absolutely shut down a couple of gods instead of gambling on most/all of them.
(I'm not going to claim that farming Miracle is really fun at this point, but it's still pretty rapid cash that funds new decks to try earning money off of other gods.)
I just briefly read over this to catch up on some stuff.
#1. You do not "Out-Damage" miracle with mono-aether. You get him low with like 3-4 phase dragons. And then on the turn before you would kill him you use a twin/parallel universe on him to copy atleast 1 of the golden dragons that has been blessed like 250832058 times and has like 33/33. Then you play that and a few phase dragons that you strategically kept in your hand and kill him. If the yellow bar says he will die the next turn he will always use a miracle (Unless he doesn't have the quantoms)
But on another note, getting a second electrocutor/lobotomizer would greatly improve your chances (atleast they would mine) when using a mono-aether against a large portion of the false-gods. Especially with an imp. animate weapon.
Graviton, Fire Queen, Chaos Lord, and Hermes I can only beat when I draw one of them early (unless I get uber lucky)
Edit: And gemini's momentums
Just a random bug note: The first turn it's played, Discord is still not shuffling enemy quanta.
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Originally Posted by CB!
I beat Incarnate 90% of the time and don't need PU =P
PU actually hurts me on this fight because he ends up killing my vamps with his gay ass poison and it adds to his bone shield.
Yeah, but I've gotten mastery the last 4 times I beat him... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
Well I just started to farm as well cuz I want to beat gods easier haha
so far I think the best way to farm for money is doing level3s with mastery. With my aether life deck I am pulling off masteries 70-80% of the time which net me around 1500 gold every 1 hour or so on avg...all credits goes to the guy who came up with it on wiki
And it doesn't hinder my score that much so it is all good lol...
Will farm on gods after all pillars upped xD
Well as mono-aether you can't heal, and half the time he goes and puts down a card before the first turn that does like 2 damage to you, so I'm not sure how you are doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
Edit: Vamps?
Vamp steals life and gives it to you.
Either way I have my PUs (Which is only 2) screw me over enough on other fights besides Incarnation..
I haven't been losing score either. Since I've been playing lvl6's today I've won about 4 upgraded cards and I'm up 420 points....I did sell some upgraded cards to get a couple eletrocutors... makes incarnate that much easier....and should at least give me a chance against graviton.... and that's only if he doesn't pull out a gravity shield....
Wish I could win an electrocutor / lobotomizer :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
I'm winning more than I am losing against the false-gods right now.. but now that I am finally winning.. I'm getting no cards.. so frustrating..
40 games
22 wins
1 cards.
1 card.. 22 wins...
That is 1 / 66 spins.
1.5% chance for me to win. LOL.
I'm going to take my life in my hands, and say stop all purchases of upgrades. Not upgrades themselves, no, just the ability to buy them. For level 0, no chance of getting upgrades from the spinners, and other AI levels have a small chance of getting one, either as a card, which you can play ingame like plate armor, so that you can choose which cards are upgraded depending on the circumstances, or just a randon card upgrade in your deck. PvP, upgrades are given depending on the proportion of upgraded cards in that deck.
As for the false gods, neuter them. Make them play by normal rules, but for two things:
HUGE health-perhaps even 1000HP.
New deck rules - when an FG runs out of cards, they do not lose. They do however, completley redraw, as if they had only just started to play so have 22-52 cards, and a hand of eight.
Also, people that have upgrades can keep them, so as not to waste their time and money, and people that have, say, less than 5 get two or three random upgrades, or as many as takes them to 5, just to get the ball rolling. New playes would get some too, to make it fair - say every starter deck has two random upgrades.
Also, I hate to pester, but what do people think of my DSiWare idea. (this was posted after reading page 57, so it may have been talked about already). It dosen't of course have to be nintendo, of course, just a non-flash game. I'm still contemplating a source version, but not much progress there, I'm afraid.
Too bad we can't trade.... I have 4 lobotomizers.... :) actually now 2 of them are electrocutors....Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
No. No. No. No. No. And for good measure - NO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder68
It's a free game -keep it that way. I am fine with a donation button, zanz has to live, and I don't know if he/she (for some reason, I always think he) has a job, but a donation button is a way of giving something back for a great game. Paying for extra stuff ruins the free-ness of it. Please don't think that I think that you're some living-on-benefits-when-you-could-be-working person, just...do you doelements full time,or not? It's great, either way
You are a selfish idiot. That idea is actual a very great one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilchard123
And as for your first post, you are a total ****tard.
The false-gods are completely beatable and do not need to get neutered, they are supposed to be the hardest encounter in the game. If you think they are too good for you, don't play them. I absolutely hate games that only have easy encounters, it needs a hard one. Also, the amount of cards that a false god has in its deck doesn't effect anything at all, so why would it need to be changed?
How did you get them all =(Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
Playing T50, when 50% of the decks were aether....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sixones
Has anyone been able to beat FFQ false god? The last time I played I had to deck out because it had 8 flippin' feral bonds in play....I lobotomized every ffq except the first one, so in the end he was up to like 10 creatures healing for an insane amount each turn....there needs to be a limit on stackable buffs....
I beat him 90% of the time when I am dealt my lobotomizer or get it first turn, I just get every single FFQ and by the end of it I have 6 Dragons doing 8-10 each, 5 from my wep, and I usually copy 1-2 of his weapons (animated, I copy them and then lobotomize them) and his weapons usually do 7 each..typically when he can't summon fireflies he can't out heal ~70 damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
My progress looks small since he heals it turn after turn but I usually gain 20-30 on him per turn. Although sometimes he does get out all of the bonds really early and I lose even with lobo.
Interesting.. a fate egg morphed into another 12/12 fate egg that could cast growth on itself for 1 entropy mark...
= Fate egg with 29/29
Oh and it was burrowed.
I've beaten seism a few times with mono-aether. A helpful trick someone else posted here is your first turn, play just one pillar. If it gets EQed, play just one pillar again, and so on, until a turn passes where the AI doesn't play EQ, then you can put all your pillars down. It does slow down your start, but then mono-aether isn't fast to begin anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
Hi newbie here.
(Win 452/Loss 145 Mono-Darkness Deck)
I was setting up to play a Top 50 game when the computer picked this opponent:
How is that even possible?Quote:
freerares19
Score: 8388607
Rank: 19
Won: 1
Loss: 1
I shut it down by choosing Back to Menu as I figured it must be some sort of hack on the system ...