Right or wrongly convicted, her case was over and regarding less money than the amount made illegally by this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by annexion
With all of the complaining that goes on here about people ripping code from web-sites and biting designs, I would expect the condemnation to be synchronised. Isn't it? It's the same concept.
Traffic and Layer Cake do an excellent job of justifying why people takes these chances, because there is so much money to be made in such an easy way.
Layer Cake:
"When I was born, the world was a far simpler place. It was all just cops and robbers.There were villains locked away for years for robbing a bank for a grand doing time with drippy hippies doing months for smuggling two million quid's worth of puff.
I mean, work it out, mate.
We're in the wrong f---- game.
Drugs changed everything.
Always remember that one day this
drug monkey-business will be legal.
They won't leave it to people like me when they figure out how much money there is to be made: Not millions, f--- billions."
Well,... looks like there's a new void that needs filling... so, any of you guys need any software? :p
before I read on...you think someone who runs a successfull business, have design skills that even the mods that we get help from respect, pays his taxes every check/year like a normal citizen...not a productive member of society??Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCharles
well. making nearly 200k illegally and removing a million dollars in sales in the process from software companies more than negates any taxes he would have paid. im assuming he didn't pay taxes on the 200k. ;)
No, I think someone who steals is a counterproductive member of society. Remember, we are generally judged by the sum of our actions... but the negative always carries more weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by whispers
It's wonderful to think that he may have paid his taxes on time... should that somehow lessen the weight of his crimes and reinstate his value in society? I pay my taxes, and I don't steal. The way you seem to put things, I guess I deserve a f**king medal.
Incidentally, I'd imagine that respect you speak of will all but disappear at this point. Nobody respects a theif, except perhaps other theives.
I think it's funny that just because this guy was a very gifted Flash designer he gets all of this special treatment here.
Like indivision said, would you all really feel this way if it was a suit from Enron?
Or how about someone making 200k by impersonating a 2Advanced site?
It's not like Enron was important or anything.This is Flashlevel we are talking about here. :) Actually I never heard of this guy until this thread came about. I always figured if I (or any other members) disappeared or died or whatever then they'd be forgotten and no one would notice. Heck I left for 2 years and no one noticed (and I even left a note).Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
I dare to say, the flashlevel name has been tarnished. Despite the fact that the company will go on without him.
btw, the dates in those articles are wrong. If you do a whois on those domain names you'll see the current owner has owned them since 2002 and its not dash. I could only get whois information on one of the domains.
Yea, you would think Flash designers should be winning nobel peace prizes or something :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonsplace
I don't know what political neurons in your brains are causing you two peas-in-a-pod to compare Enron executives with this situation but I dare say you are comparing apples to oranges at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
Considering this is Flashkit and we all found this place because of Flash and this guy was a Flash somebody... his situation can probably be more accurately related to a concert pianist being caught selling $200k worth of heroin than some Enron exec who's only talent was lying and helping to embezzle $60,000,000,000.
And no, I don't think that prison should be for a non-violent criminals like the Enron gang.
Instead let's have them continue to work (16 hour days), garnish their wages and let them live off of the bare minimum (below poverty level $12k or so) that most of their victims are going to spend the rest of their lives doing because of their crimes.
Personally I would love to see a measure of "poetic justice" and for the punishment to fit the crime as it should be.
Where's King Solomen when you need him???
you are a poet LR :smoov:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Would it help then if the exec if he played a mean piano? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
For $60 billion he better be able to play every position in the orchestra... well! :p
Who said anything about special treatment?..if you follow the "rules" set forth by society..then by that standard you are a productive member of society...Did I say anything about paying taxes on his $200k?..no but to be in business and be public, you need to pay taxes on your wages, employess..etc..etc..
Only those of you with no real life experiences would lump sentencing a sofwtare pirate to the same place one who molests children should go. All of your "how would you feel if it was YOU he stole from"..etc..etc.. well yrou sure "quick" to condem him to "prison" and you have no knowledge of what it is really like.
And noone said having him be more usefull utilizing his skills, meant letting him design government software with critical information..etc..etc.. but web sites, graphic work for posters, awareness..anti-piracy compaigns, teaching...teaching inmates a skill that can apply, so they have an alternate route to take once released.
just because you may not agree with some of the view points shared here...doesnt mean comparing extremes (and opposites), makes your argument hold any weight.
Just saying, I really don't care who this guy is or how mad his Flash skills are. There is a good reason why I buy every software I use in my day to day operations. I am limited to some extent by my budget. Do I want to upgrade to Macromedia 8? Adobe CS2? Hell yes, unfortunately I must budget accordingly throught the legal means my business provides.
If I had an extra 200G lying around from allowing people to download warez then I could have that stuff and it might make my life a little easier. Hell I might even be able to afford to hire other designers to help me! Get a new laptop and G5 while I am at it.
I have other people asking me for Photoshop, or even a Font... I tell them to buy it like I did. You know how I feel? This guy is stealing from me too by giving himself an unfair advantage in the industry. FK him. One less crook in our industry.
So instead of trying to get "something" back..wheather cheap labor, or using his skill to better the community..you say just have him rot in prison....with murderers & rapists...and get NOTHING?
Noone said get out of jail free (at least not me)..Im saying let the punishment fit the crime. Ive always been a firm believer in letting the punishment fit the crime. I dont think most of the drug related cases should be in prison either! (yikes)...does nothing for us as a "whole" (society)....they dont learn nothing, we pay for them to stay there, no reabilitation programs..etc..etc.
already over crowded as it is..so a murder/rapist gets to go hoem "early" to make room for the new "software pirate" coming through intake....pffft...what a joke.
Im not saying he was right..or shouldnt be punished... whether he is a flash guru or a doctor.. the "inmate" obviously has a skill and it would be better suited to let the doctor help in the infirmary, or prep hospital beds....or as posted...garnish wages while doing their "skill set" for public purpose..
Its funny that most of the "retailers" you "DO" purchase your software from is probably only 50% legit anyways.. yet because they do it under a BIG NAME..everyone turns a blind eye..
4 years?..un-f*cking-real!! thats a lifetime..especially to be sitting in jail...oops..I mean prison. Technology will pass this guy by..
Changing the laws of Crime and Punishment is a whole seperate issue IMO. I probably agree that most 'white collar' and 'non violent' crime does need to be evaluated as far as allocating more lockups for the violent and sexual offenders and finding better ways to deal with these types of crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by whispers