So a pv3d developer has found out about unity

Mike, could it just be possible that Unity have a stratergy and that you may not know what that is.

Unity are a self funded company, who have been profitable from day 1. Now I have been in enough investment meetings to know they are doing something right to achieve that. Have you considered the idea that, maybe at the moment they don't want massive penetration of the web player and every Tom-Dick et Harry making games on their platform? Maybe, and this is purely speculation here, they want to perfect their tools, their publishing formats and company structure before going truly over ground.

I guess, very much like Mochi and many other players in the games market, they have far reaching and very ambitious plans, and to say "they did x, so they are stupid" is very, very naive. Unity may well go down as another of those formats that could have done it, I have no idea, but your simplifying of the matter with you lack of business understanding and rubbishing other people's enthusiasm on here is quite frustrating. But hey ho, like a good troll, you have got an argument out of me so you win again.

Chris
p.s. I borrowed a friend's Mac for a 3 days before and installed the Unity trial and made this

http://www.errorware.co.uk/unity/ZA2.html

Cursors to run, space to jump, chase the cows into the tractor beam. Aint gonna win any awards, but was fun to make (and learn during) and has me gagging to build more Unity stuff in 09.

Lack of windows version is their greatest downside. Without it they die.

It is as simple as that.

Believe it or not, doesn't matter, let's continue next xmass. We'll see where Unity vs. flash is then.

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Have you considered the idea that, maybe at the moment they don't want massive penetration of the web player and every Tom-Dick et Harry making games on their platform?

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Come on, even as you typed that you knew it was bull$hit. All males in the Unity team would gladly surgically remove their left testicles, just to get to 1/2 of flash's plugin penetration by the end of the year.

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you are beeing personal and ignorant to others hence the bad atmosphere we have here now.

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The bad atmosphere is in your head. I'm simply being realistic and questioning certain things. Some of your guys are too much : "you are either against us or you are with us" type of guys.
Some of you get pissy just because I dare to compare a Unity game with a Director game. What is that all about?

ARRGHHH!

[bangs head repeatedly against monitor]

Mike....READ what I wrote...."maybe AT THE MOMENT", I am involved with tech start up companies, know lots of other people who are too, and although of course user base is massively important, there are often times, very often in fact, that you don't want to shout about your company from the rooftops until you are 100% ready for it, and everything else is in place. Your arrogance of thinking you know all the answers, is just staggering.

Now the troll has made me type words in CAPS and bold, *sigh*


Chris

[last post in this thread unless it returns to a real discussion]

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Mike....READ what I wrote...."maybe AT THE MOMENT",

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I do read. Unity team themselves keeps releasing PR about how this and that game is played so many times, and how more and more people are installing the plugin. They say they want as much market penetration as possible, and they have been saying it for a long time., so you are wrong.

Unity is ( caps too, just for you ) NOT A STARTUP COMPANY. They were a startup 4 years ago.. They are closer to going out of business than start up.

ah bugger it...in reply to Tom's original post.

It is interesting that someone as deeply involved in Flash's 3D development, to really want to jump ship (or at least for his Navy to seize that rather shiny looking Unity boat so he can have a shot at it :) )

I think it really is horses for courses. I am currently building a 3D virtual world using PV, and wouldn't consider doing it in anything other than Flash due to it's needs (obv. big user numbers, but also easy XML / video integration), however, I am really, really so very eager to also run head first into building a big shiny game for Unity. I would simply love to make a portal friendly web player demo, with a bigger, badder full download version too (linked to from the portal version), it seems like such a logical business model to me.

Also, of course the iphone development and Wii is very exciting. A Windows IDE would be nice, but I can easily enough deploy to PC (and maybe Unity will finally convert me who knows?)


Chris

to MikeMD:
man, you are more and more posting nothing but downright bull and lies.
Inform yourself propperly before you post total nonsense. UT is no startup anymore but its not at all close to going out of business.
They add more and more features to unity every week and are adding more deploy options, attracting more and more clients and lots of other things are going on there that proove that they are doing quite well.

To render:
np man, its good to have a healthy discussion and i know your remarks weren´t meant bad or in trolling attempt.

to chriserror: haha, yeah, probably a good idea to bring the discussion back to some other levels :)
and yeah, all good points. Its similar with me right now:
working on an iphone game made with unity and a video portal web app made with flash.

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UT is no startup anymore but its not at all close to going out of business.

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I don't know what their financial situation is, but neither do you, so to tell me they are nowhere close to going out of business is ridiculous.

What world do you guys live in? You really expect any company in financial trouble ( not implying that Unity is ) to tell you the truth, even after all these investment banks insisted everything was great until the very end.

You don't know, neither do I. I just know that some of you guys here fold as soon as somebody questions anything you post. It's ridiculous.

There are lots of indicators that they are doing quite well. There´s no single indicator that tey are close to "going out of business" .
So your statement is totally made up, whereas mine is backed up with facts like them raising their staff size in times where many other companies are having mass layoffs.

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mine is backed up with facts like them raising their staff size in times where many other companies are having mass layoffs.

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Then again, it could be just another bad business decision, like starting a gaming platform on a Mac.

On that note, see ya'

I'll either come back to Unity discussions with a shiny new Unity game of my own , or just to tell you, I told you so. Either way, I don't care. It's just a discussion. No need to get pissy about it.

sweet :)

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What world do you guys live in? You really expect any company in financial trouble ( not implying that Unity is ) to tell you the truth, even after all these investment banks insisted everything was great until the very end.

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Then again, it could be just another bad business decision, like starting a gaming platform on a Mac.

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Well it is quite funny guys. You can't really prove anything if it has to be more then beyond reasonable doubt. There are no cows on the Moon... well have YOU been to the moon??? Unity is doing great... have YOU counted all their money??? Made me chuckle at least.

It's hard to find anything on their site. Only mentioning of Mac-only I could find was in the download section. Is there a release date set for the pc version?

the ide is mac only right now. i´m not sure when the windows ide will come out, i´m sure they´ll make a big announcment once that´s up.

I'm currently involved a project which has unity content as part of the proposed solution - mainly because flash or shockwave could not produce the kind of realism we were after. Director at it's best can only achieve about a quarter of what unity can and flash is simply not a viable solution for many realistic first person games.

A 'realistic' approach for us was to demonstrate that unity was the correct solution to some parts of the clients brief and by making sure that user experience does not suffer if they choose not to install the plugin.

Lack of a windows version simply is not an issue - you just make sure that purchasing macs is part of your project cost! It's a tiny outlay in the context of the whole budget.

I've been reading this discussion for a while now, and it does seem interesting.

I agree with MikeMD that Unity not having a windows version does piss me off some what, since I would like start getting my hands dirty with that engine, since it seems very nice indeed!
I also agree that Unities penetration to the public is very low in comparison to Flash, and that for Unity to realistically become a natural part of everyone's browsers, they have quite a few years that they need to catch up on. Most people now a days don't even think about installing some Flash plugin, it already comes with their browser. Installing something new, and not something that others have heard of provides a lot of hesitation.

A sad part of this discussion, is that (like some other thread's I have seen) the attention has been directed to how well will it be received by the public, and how many people can view it, rather than the more interesting subject of the features, and things it can actually do! I'd personally like to start finding out about more technical details, and some of the special add-ons they have.

After having said nice things about Unity, I'd just like to mention that I like to work with 3D in Flash, BECAUSE of the lack of functions and such. I think it's fun to find ways and tricks to make your engine perform, and add new details to it. The performance issue isn't like a road block, but just an obstacle you need to work around.

Anywho, I'd love to see what Unity comes to, and it would be cool if people start talking more about what really matters, what Unity can do, not what it can't...

@ mentuat, lack of a windows version is very simply a HUGE issue!!! I don't know how you can say that! If you're working with a company, then maybe it isn't so bad, but still, why use money where it can be prevented from being wasted? And many of us here are probably (I think at least...) not with a company, and buying those over-priced and over-rated macs isn't really worth it just to use Unity...

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After having said nice things about Unity, I'd just like to mention that I like to work with 3D in Flash, BECAUSE of the lack of functions and such. I think it's fun to find ways and tricks to make your engine perform, and add new details to it. The performance issue isn't like a road block, but just an obstacle you need to work around.

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could be my words,- :D he
I guess I like more tweaking out stuff thats not so easy to pull off. Its the same reason why I dispise Powerpoint and isntead code each time my own slideshow system.

(edited, about 3d in flash, nevermind)

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3-12MB games that one could duplicate even with flash

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I know its unlikely but i would love to have one alternative to making 2d games
Any economist knows why flash is a crap.Monopoly.

no there is a simple reason for that,- if it would be all that easy and ready to use,- it would all look the same ;)

There is nothing wrong if you are good enough to reinvent the wheel, i just think that as a pro you should not

It's not really reinventing the wheel, more like you need to learn to walk before you can run. Programming a 3D game without understanding the principles of 3D is hell