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Originally Posted by j.manfogle
Game. Set. Match.Quote:
Originally Posted by j.manfogle
Dude, if you want to talk serious religion, go find a religious forum. Here we like iPods, old internet memes, and anything on slashdot or engadget.
i didn't want to talk about religions i simply asked if anyone was a christian then ppl started asking q's
well i'm off fot the night!!
fun talking with ya all!!
you said god and the bible has all teh answers, and i had a bunch of questions ot ask you rather then read hte book or call long distance.
since it's not even worthy of a thread of it's own, what do you guys think of this movie?
The Exorcism of Emily Rose? Does this not look like the biggest piece of crap movie to come along in a while?
I'm sure we all adult here (well, except the 13? haha..) and I'm sure we respect others' opinions, no?
So I'm gonna defend the poor kid.
That is quoted from some writing.Quote:
Believing can't stand alone. It has to walk hand in hand with persevering . It has to face the test of time. And hardships.
So yeah, believe me, life as a Christian not as good as what other Christian claims! It's actually much more difficult than when you are not a Christian.
You all are logical being here, so take it like this.
Consider those are your challenges, to be able to live in this 'not-perfect' world with a 'perfect' way (no lie, no killing, no stealing, whatnot).
And while others can make money from doing a dirty business, we can't! now that's a challenge.
I'm not saying unbeliever always do those dirty things either. I believe this is the first lesson in the Discrete Math I =P
Living a Christian life is much more difficult than a normal life...
So again, please don't believe when other Christian said "Be a believer, and you will be better off". Nope, you simply need to earn those.
fogle, just shut up and go to bed. i'm sure school started for you by now, so you need a good night sleep. you're making a fool out of yourself and everyone else who claims to be a Christian. let someone who actually has a firm grasp of the Bible answer the questions.
btw, the hurricane hit new orleans becaues it's WEATHER. stuff like that happens on this little place called earth. don't build your house there next time. just like you're an idiot if you build a house in ttttooooorrrrnnnnnaaaaaddddoooo aaaalllllleeeeeyyy. or park a house there rather...
Okay - I have a couple of questions (I've always wanted to ask a devout Christian these - and not get the answer "He moves in mysterious ways"...):
1. If Gad made the world and controls everything in it, then he must have set every single atom (sub-atom particles) moving to control every single think that ever happened. Like the fact that the paper blew off my desk two seconds ago must have been plan by him. Yes? Okay - assuming that, then why did he create the us in such a way that 'Adam' picked fruit from the forbidden tree.
2. Beyond the bible saying 'this book is the word of God' what proof of that do you actually have? And no your Mum telling you that it is doesn't count. If I were to write a book like that (humans wrote it) just now, I'd be locked away. But leave it for 1500 years and it become a worshipped book?
3. My girlfriend's best friend at school died of cancer. She was a wonderful person with not a bad thought in her. She was Christian up until the point when they said it was terminal. Why did God kill her?
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Originally Posted by theallan
I'm not a devout Christian by any chance! But I'll answer anyway, or at least try...
I know some of you read "The prayer of Owen Meany" by John Irving right? If you haven't, get the book and read. It's a great book! Christian or not.
Basically Owen said this: “Coincidence was a stupid, shallow refuge sought by stupid, shallow people who were unable to accept the fact that their lives were shaped by a terrifying and awesome design”
Whether God is there or no, I believe that sentence very much. I don't stumbled to this site by a mere coincidence.
1. Supposedly God loves us so much, He even give us FREEDOM to do what we want. That's why Adam picked that apple. and supposedly He knew exactly what will happened, and he didn't kill the snake anyway to stop it being happened. He just gives us freedom. supposedly...
2. No, there is not a proof or whatsoever. And I believe ALL Christian will tell you "you need to have faith". I personally hate that kind of answer! hehe.
But yeah, there is no proof. but why do we even need one?
I'm not sure whether you will understand the following, but i'll try anyway:
Suppose some scientist make a great great discovery tomorrow, does that render 'the discovered' not exist before? No.
We human just trying to reflect everything to our current understanding. Discovery just meant we FINALLY understand something, but it is always there all along.
I take it that proof is similar to discovery, so maybe you get the drift.
3. Supposedly! He will use her for a greater purpose. Maybe by her death she will serve greater things, which us cannot understand, especially you or whoever who is close to her. Why do you think everyone else care whether she lives or not? It's just you that see her death as a 'negative' things. For most people it's a 'neutral' things. and maybe for some it's a 'positive' things.
Especially since she is a Christian! see my previous post of being a Christian. It is not a damn nice position!
Some of us actually believe this: the devil have a kind of list (like MTV top 20 or something). When you are a new Christian, you are fairly low in that list, or even not listed. When you started to grow and all, you'll become a 'threat' to them, and moved up the list. The higher you are on the list the more difficult your life can be!
Disclaimer: I don't try to convert anyone or anything! so please spare the flame =)
And I believe you notice all the 'supposedly' that I use. That's on purpose.
On the side: Just wondering, If you know your baby (in the mom's womb, not born yet) will be born with a disease, say the down syndrome, will you still keep your child? or will you abort it?
See, if your child lives, he/she will always behind in everything and might get all those 'stares' from other people.
This just to serve my insatiable thirst on knowing what people's opinions are regarding the subject.
What would be the point in life if there wasn't such a thing as free choice?Quote:
why did [god] create the us in such a way that 'Adam' picked fruit from the forbidden tree
That are so cutes! haha. thanks for posting that! :)
I chuckled.
Oh how I wish I were them, innocent lil kids...
Edit: can I keep a copy of that?
What's the point in life even with free choice? Personally I would go for understanding and knowledge. If that happens to contradict religion (of whatever kind) so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by krona
luvenny - thank for much. That was a great post. I guess the fundamental thing I can't bring myself to do is believe in a book that was written by men a long time ago. Do you not think that if the bible was written today it would be quite different?
I do like the idea of the devil having a quota of people. I'd never heard that one before.
If I were a Christian I would ask why God had done that to my child. However, in not, but I would still want the child to live. See my post in the thread about 'born without a face' - life is paramount.Quote:
On the side: Just wondering, If you know your baby (in the mom's womb, not born yet) will be born with a disease, say the down syndrome, will you still keep your child? or will you abort it?
Anyway - thanks for talking to me about this and not flaming me :-)
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No, I'm asking that not at Christian context.Quote:
Originally Posted by theallan
It's just that some people will abort it just because they pity the child, and feel that abort it is the best for the kid.
I personally agree with you, the kid with down syndrome doesn't even know that he/she is different from others. It's just we normal human take our own measure and use it on him/her.
That kid that looks both ways is the only sane one in the bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleMatt
cept that kid that told god he made the right choice about thee dinos, i spit my juice all over the place.
every easter i walk around the house doing my best zombie impersonation, arms stretched out mumbling "son...of...god.....SON..OF...GOD". my catholic wife loves this. religion is for the sheep, the mindless. try some spirituallity...you have to work a little harder.
oh please, I'm sure the people of new orleans are really drawing a lot of comfort from your comments. But then if they question it I'll tell them that everyone who was killed, orphaned, made homeless or cripple practiced voodoo, so not to worry...Quote:
Originally Posted by j.manfogle
HAHAHAHA...ditto..
and liek N.O. was the only "sinfull" city..
oh my. this has got to be the absolute funniest thing I've read this morning... and that's saying a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nordberg
puwhahahaha.
*Cough*las vegas*COGUH*sin city*Quote:
Originally Posted by whispers
Your wasting your time here. Your question was "Is anyone on FK a believer?". Unfortunatly, you happened to pick the largest group of smartarses on the planet.
I can see why see why someone would believe in God, specially after somthing like New Orleans, but hey, your 13 now. I lost all traces of religion about 5 years before that. Go throw eggs at your teachers houses and stuff like that.
Oh, and by the way, you know the bible is an edited highlights? Most of it was made up? Sure, you can believe jesus fed god knows how many people with a loaf of bread and 2 fish or whatever it was, but how do you know the people wernt hungry or they wernt poor or somthing like that? The bible is just a load of exaggerated crap.
Oh, and read some Dan Brown. Most of that is just theories, but hey, every theory has a base of fact.
if the bible had all the answers there wouldnt be a big debate about the homosexuals.
the bible is a crutch in my opinion... instead of people finding otu for themsleves..and formaing their own opinions.. they choose to believe in anothers opinion...
for those who can NOT answer themselves..the bible has "all" the answers..for those who can..do so on their own.
I think there is a fine line between being a believer...(someone who is good hearted..and like to believe their life has meaning/purpose..and someone who BLINDLY follows the words..and twists and perverts for use of elitism or segregation..)
You'd think "believers" would be more accepting of other "believers"..just because of the fact they "both" choose to accept or "believe" there is more out there than just the tangible..or their lives has a cetian purpose.. but thats not the case is it? (nope) we have religions that frown upon other religions... and one is better than the other..because.. (insert KAKA here)
its just another label that somehow gives them a false sense of rightousness that its ok to think your better because of yoru choice. :yikes:
funny... my last job was the most diverse "religious" crowd I have ever seen.. Muslims, Baptists, Catholic... never heard so mean people say wouldnt eat pork i my life! LOL..
funny thing is..for all their "convictions" none of the were "commited"..it was a status sysmbol..or a reason to back up some crazy notion they had in their head.
It kills me that "believers" think they are better..going to be saved..the rest are doomed. I ask hwo are you better? Because you read a book? (bible)...
cool.. put JESUS on your resume then... ;)
anything can be used as a crutch. Modern philosophies are often used as a crutch. How often have we heard "society made me into this". Should we through away all theories based on nurture? I know people that blindly follow what a priest tells them, and I know people that read the bible and interpret it in their own way. The bible really is whatever you want it to be as all things are whatever you want them to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by whispers
Your certainly entitled to your opinion.. but you may want to consider other opinions as well. It is easy to form an opinion on christians from meeting a few dullards.. but every person from massachusettes I have met in real life is a total pile of crap and nothing would delight me more than running my trench knife through thier necks. However I believe some folks from Mass. may be o.k.
well duh, but that can be applied to christians, communists, post-modernists.. etc etc.Quote:
I think there is a fine line between being a believer...(someone who is good hearted..and like to believe their life has meaning/purpose..and someone who BLINDLY follows the words..and twists and perverts for use of elitism or segregation..)
[QUOTE=TallGuyLittleCar]Your certainly entitled to your opinion.. but you may want to consider other opinions as well. It is easy to form an opinion on christians from meeting a few dullards.. but every person from massachusettes I have met in real life is a total pile of crap and nothing would delight me more than running my trench knife through thier necks. However I believe some folks from Mass. may be o.k.
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I would dare not sully my great grandfathers trench knife with the blood of that goofy poser.
Hmmph,... and I always thought you were taller than that, Silver...Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
...and a dude.
im a bleek 5'8" and your correct i am a guy with short hair, and i dont fancy lil' shot guns, im a rifle guy myself.
1.God gave us free will if he didn't give us that we would be like robots!!Quote:
1. If Gad made the world and controls everything in it, then he must have set every single atom (sub-atom particles) moving to control every single think that ever happened. Like the fact that the paper blew off my desk two seconds ago must have been plan by him. Yes? Okay - assuming that, then why did he create the us in such a way that 'Adam' picked fruit from the forbidden tree.
2. Beyond the bible saying 'this book is the word of God' what proof of that do you actually have? And no your Mum telling you that it is doesn't count. If I were to write a book like that (humans wrote it) just now, I'd be locked away. But leave it for 1500 years and it become a worshipped book?
3. My girlfriend's best friend at school died of cancer. She was a wonderful person with not a bad thought in her. She was Christian up until the point when they said it was terminal. Why did God kill her?
2.We dont worship the book and it was writen by men but inspired by god!!
3.i guess it was just gods time for her to die. (sorry to hear she died)
why does god eenjoy painfull, long drawn out deaths?
atleast someone knows somthing about the bible!!Quote:
I'm not a devout Christian by any chance! But I'll answer anyway, or at least try...
I know some of you read "The prayer of Owen Meany" by John Irving right? If you haven't, get the book and read. It's a great book! Christian or not.
Basically Owen said this: “Coincidence was a stupid, shallow refuge sought by stupid, shallow people who were unable to accept the fact that their lives were shaped by a terrifying and awesome design”
Whether God is there or no, I believe that sentence very much. I don't stumbled to this site by a mere coincidence.
1. Supposedly God loves us so much, He even give us FREEDOM to do what we want. That's why Adam picked that apple. and supposedly He knew exactly what will happened, and he didn't kill the snake anyway to stop it being happened. He just gives us freedom. supposedly...
2. No, there is not a proof or whatsoever. And I believe ALL Christian will tell you "you need to have faith". I personally hate that kind of answer! hehe.
But yeah, there is no proof. but why do we even need one?
I'm not sure whether you will understand the following, but i'll try anyway:
Suppose some scientist make a great great discovery tomorrow, does that render 'the discovered' not exist before? No.
We human just trying to reflect everything to our current understanding. Discovery just meant we FINALLY understand something, but it is always there all along.
I take it that proof is similar to discovery, so maybe you get the drift.
3. Supposedly! He will use her for a greater purpose. Maybe by her death she will serve greater things, which us cannot understand, especially you or whoever who is close to her. Why do you think everyone else care whether she lives or not? It's just you that see her death as a 'negative' things. For most people it's a 'neutral' things. and maybe for some it's a 'positive' things.
Especially since she is a Christian! see my previous post of being a Christian. It is not a damn nice position!
Some of us actually believe this: the devil have a kind of list (like MTV top 20 or something). When you are a new Christian, you are fairly low in that list, or even not listed. When you started to grow and all, you'll become a 'threat' to them, and moved up the list. The higher you are on the list the more difficult your life can be!
Disclaimer: I don't try to convert anyone or anything! so please spare the flame =)
And I believe you notice all the 'supposedly' that I use. That's on purpose.
On the side: Just wondering, If you know your baby (in the mom's womb, not born yet) will be born with a disease, say the down syndrome, will you still keep your child? or will you abort it?
See, if your child lives, he/she will always behind in everything and might get all those 'stares' from other people.
This just to serve my insatiable thirst on knowing what people's opinions are regarding the subject.
stop puting words in my mouth i didn't say that everyone in New orleans did voo doo but alot of ppl did do it there!!Quote:
oh please, I'm sure the people of new orleans are really drawing a lot of comfort from your comments. But then if they question it I'll tell them that everyone who was killed, orphaned, made homeless or cripple practiced voodoo, so not to worry...
THE CURSE OF KATRINA!!!
Repent now ye voo doo sinners.
Wassa matta, Boy? Don't chew like close-up killin'?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Where's a redneck smilie when you need one?
Repent hell, once i get my jesus voodoo doll finished we will see who bosses who around.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
that thing you call god, is fear... that is what everyone "worships". Now, you can call it what you choose but at the end of the day you bow down to your fears.
No god is gracious and kind and u can choose to or not to worship him!!Quote:
that thing you call god, is fear... that is what everyone "worships". Now, you can call it what you choose but at the end of the day you bow down to your fears.
What about Jesus?Quote:
Originally Posted by j.manfogle
God the father(God) God the Son(jesus) and God the holy spirit(holy spirit) are all one person