Yes, that is freedom of speech. What is your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by owace
I guess I'm not smart enough to see.
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Yes, that is freedom of speech. What is your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by owace
I guess I'm not smart enough to see.
Thats what I also wonder my friend..how a minority can control a majority (jews controlling US and some other places around the world) isn't it ironic..and I would never understand the americans..they are fearing someone who is living in the caves 100000 miles away from them..its all psychological..americans should care more about their own land..look what they did to all the poor black people in New Orleans...anyways this is an endless debate...but we all ve 'freedom of speech' ;) lolzQuote:
Originally Posted by Jujumon
Not personally. I don't live anywhere near a city worth bombing. In my colder moments, I sort of hope Iran gets a bomb and a missile to launch it at any US territory it can reach.Quote:
If u live in the US, would u worry about osama having nuclear weapon?
I grew up watching Kruschev beating a microphone with his shoe, Kennedy facing him down a little later, and I've seen Dr. Stranglove 15 times. I'm totally imune to worry about the bomb, burned out, you know? Still, since those Kennedy days, it's part of our national heritage that if anyone bombs us, we'll retaliate to the point that Iran won't have two stones left to stack on top of each other. It'll be glass, and the world will have learned yet another lesson to ponder about poking a bear in the ass with a stick.
My dear friend..then I'd have to say you dont have any dignity and self respect..you can let anyone insult your identity or your mom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
You'll never understand western humor, so don't bother trying.Quote:
My dear friend..then I'd have to say you dont have any dignity and self respect..you can let anyone insult your identity or your mom?
And WTF are muslims doing reading Danish funnypapers?
Listen bro..you don't have to be mean here...accept the fact...freedom of speech doesnt mean you cross limits...I believe you dont know sh** about respect..and I believe you were raised disrespecting others...anyway dont worry and chill out...Muslims are going to take your lands soon..:D haha...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
When would that be? They can't even keep the ones they got. And I'm not being mean, just giving you a glipmse of what's to come if you push it too far.Quote:
Muslims are going to take your lands soon..
Are you some kind of nutjob? Last I heard the total nuclear weapons in muslim hands was like 6, if you count Pakistan as being muslim. The US has 10,000, and parts to make 13,000 more. We also have the best, most accurate missiles to launch them. I say bring it on. You want a fight? I'm sure if the middle eastern nations push hard enough, they'll get one.
Sounds too much like Chicken Little... "the muslims are coming, the muslims are coming..."Quote:
Originally Posted by owace
Dude, chill out yourself. If they take over the US, so what? Separation of church and state is the American way. Enough rednecks don't like it, you better believe there's gonna be a mass of 1st Amendment believers the likes of any colonial re-enactment could never fathom. Maybe that's in retaliation of anything going on as you've stated it.
Anyway, who cares? There isn't a fight over religion. Just some over zealous fanatics that have way too much pull.
What a mature way to form an argument. By attacking my mother. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adixx
You misquotes me, it is Jews > US > EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
Yeah I have an opinion on the palestine conflict. I don't side with oppression. Your assumptions that I'm a nazi is like everything else you say, incorrect. One cannot be against US/israeli oppression without being a nazi? Do I have to side with the jews?
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Originally Posted by XU1
Crap, I thought I was allowed to speak my opinion. I'm sorry. I Didn't know I had to remain neautral throughout an argument where people are constantly bashing my views.
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I'm putting my argument to sleep as some of you will only read what you will in anything I say anyway.
/Flip
If someone wants to insult my mother, or call me a fat pig, then I won't resort to violence unless it is in self defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by owace
Maybe that is how you were taught to respond to petty insults. At the drop of a hat you start frothing at the mouth and go on a rampage? If so I pity you.
What I don't get is what exactly do the protestors want? They want apologies from Denmark's government? I can see why they have a hard time grasping the concept of a free press, but the way they are acting totally reinforces the negative images in the cartoons. And it's not just "a few" muslims involved in this whole fiasco, thousands of protestors in several countries have joined the parade. And no, it's not ALL muslims either, but it's funny how you don't see this much outrage and protest by peace loving muslims against these radicals who perpetuate the stereotype of Islam as a violent religion.
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....pdZcwjoGsYLg--
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....8.q4T1WhptDA--
Oh please.
send the neo nazis there and let 'em behead eachother
So Freedom of speech = Crossing the lines?
well if you want the rest of the world to "Enjoy" your system of beliefs, well you have to taste their own beliefs as well, so yeah I say anyone mocking my God. Prophet and religion to get higher ratings in something that would have been used as toilet paper otherwise deserves to be threatened by death, and if he/she/they gets killed, well we're only taking a leaf from your zionist book anyways, you guys "and the usual lot of course, let's not forget anyone here" are the leaders of persecuting anyone who doesn't have your beliefs, sympathize with your lies, and act accordingly as well, you even managed to push the US -like it's a big deal to move a puppet around- to push the Anti-Semitism law Pffft, give me a break before you talk about double standards
P.S. my reply is not for someone in specific, since reading four pages kinda takes it of you to reply to each person, I'm just giving a general reply to the talking heads, and wishing only for the decent ones to reply, which won't leave much to do it anyway.
el, i just want to know ur opinion.
do u think ur avatar crossed the line? and how would u response to the royal fanatics who threatening u
bah, it's all in bad taste. this thread, the incident, the name calling.
this thread... less personal attacks, more discussion. leave people mother's out of it.
the incident... there's a thing of freedom of speech that goes both ways. the comic was in bad taste. the response, bad taste. can't take a joke, don't give any. burning effigy's and flags is just as tasteless as that comic was. even if they were to retract the comic, make statements, what now? can the retractions be made from the other side too? can't put the ashes back together as a whole.
my point? the reaction wasn't the same. I've seen jokes about other religious figures and I don't recall myself taking the stance to burn all involved in effigy.
the name calling in this thread. unacceptable. either this will be closed, deleted, and if you continue, your membership taken. no need to be going all hoo-hah on each other for no good reasons.
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Originally Posted by Jujumon
a big flaw in your reasoning here, what I have in my Avatar, Already Happened, and you should see what the UK papers publish making fun of their own royal family, although I remember an incident where the Queen ordered boycotting a certain artist who made a painting that was "Distasteful" showing the royal family a few years ago
what's your point??
did I make up this picture to make fun of the british royal family, Nop, do I think it's funny, Yep, do I care what others think of it, Yep, and if enough people said it was offending to their beliefs and religious sacred icons, I would most definitely remove it, "Anta Horr, Malam Tadorr" = "You're free to do what you want provided you don't hurt others" that was a proverb we were raised on here in Egypt and middle east
I'm out for now, got me a car to repair, and I think I made my stand clear, perhaps I'll peep in again if I find somethign worthy of replying to
"what's your point??"
no point, i just like to read what other ppl in this world think on different issue. its just me :)
"You're free to do what you want provided you don't hurt others" thats what i live by also
Our proverb here in the west is, "****'em if they can't take a joke." :)Quote:
that was a proverb we were raised on here in Egypt and middle east
Damn, El-Ig, all this time I thought that was you picking your nose in your avatar. Now I see it's the queen. ROFLMAO.
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Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
well Geezer, you don't want to **** with sand people, after all, it can get rough and sandy ;), still some people would give us the freedom of speech, freedom of act, and freedom of seeing the best method or retaliation we see fit, don't you like "freedom"
and I have you to know sir, the queen is my role model when it comes to nose picking in public
Give them a finger and they take the arm, boy don't they push for their rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Yeah, but they're bound to be one too many mad as a hatter who will use it on some one else other than themselves.Quote:
And I don't see all the worry about them having the bomb. They'll probably use it on each other.
The whole situation is crap.....I don't mind or care what others believe, but these people feel that thety have a divine right to impose it on others.
Some Mullah is Norway is now pushing for a "Blasphemy" Law to be passed to protect the minorities from being offended.
What about increasing the Rape sentences for rapes comitted on Norwegian women by Moroccan Mulsim men...it's on the rise by over 40%.
iTony
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Originally Posted by el-Ignoramus
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"You're free to do what you want provided you don't hurt others" that was a proverb we were raised on here in Egypt and middle east
Sounds like you really follow that proverb well.
[QUOTE=flipsideguy]What a mature way to form an argument. By attacking my mother. :rolleyes:Sorry but the gist is the same to me...its all a conspiracy that stems from hatred...didn't you mention hatred before, it goes both ways.Quote:
You misquotes me, it is Jews > US > EU.
I didn't say you were a Nazi, I said you are sounding like you are backing Islamofascists, cause that is their view of the UN, US, and..Jews.Quote:
Yeah I have an opinion on the palestine conflict. I don't side with oppression. Your assumptions that I'm a nazi is like everything else you say, incorrect. One cannot be against US/israeli oppression without being a nazi? Do I have to side with the jews?
Your problem is that you tried to appear to be neutral and understanding towards the Muslims feelings, being a religious person as well I would take offence at things said, drawn and promoted against my religion....but I ( like very other religious person unlike Muslims) just ignore it, and live my life accordingly.Quote:
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Crap, I thought I was allowed to speak my opinion. I'm sorry. I Didn't know I had to remain neautral throughout an argument where people are constantly bashing my views.
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I read all your posts....they come across fairly clear.Quote:
I'm putting my argument to sleep as some of you will only read what you will in anything I say anyway.
/Flip
iTony
ROFLMAO...you sick man you..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
iTony
Oh and another thing....if this was the Mormons carrying on like terrible infants, and holding signs promoting, death, and beheadings.
They would be arrested, hauled off to court, jailed, and their organization banned because that is what the average person would expect.
iTony
This attempt to crush free speech is very clumsy indeed from the point of view of helping Muslims infiltrate their values into the West. Infiltration is supposed to be quiet, under-the-radar, and here we have Muslims around the world showing a nauseating ignorance of and contempt for freedom of speech -- and apparently not understanding in the least what effect their behavior has on many westerners.
It is strange that the U.S. and UK have decided not to publish these silly cartoons because of some PR stunt they feel the need to pull off with the Muslim world, as if it really matters in the long run.
http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006051367,00.jpg
Look at the baby's hat. Now that is classy.
If only 5% of the 1.5 Billion Muslims were radicals that would mean 65 Million of them were fanatics, That in my equation is not a minority.
iTony
mwuhahahaha, I created a political thread!
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/images/smilies/Dr_Evil.gif
Lets see why this is just a bit one sided:So it's either their way...or the highway.Quote:
* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
BUT...Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
iTony
If you agree with that quote then you are an idiot. Thats like saying
My point is that you can't say that since the guy who did it was a Muslim, its the Muslims fault. 50% of the world is men, so are all the men required to appologise when one man robs a bank? 18% of the world is muslim, and you can't require an appology from all of them when one muslim does something wrong.Quote:
* Men fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Men officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Men cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Men murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Men murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Man attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Men slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Men shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Men kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Men fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Men murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Men massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Men murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Man newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Men are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Men beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
BUT...Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
I think you are missing the point of the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by ihoss.com
The quote just shows how its all about them and no one else.
iTony
Every action has a reaction.
This thread has become extremely Islamophobic. Perhaps the following might put a few things in perspective. I post this to provide a glimpse into the rage that some muslims feel today over the injustice they have endured.
Note: I don't believe this warrants the death of any innocent people of any religion, or origin! Nor do I condone to any acts of terrorism, where ever it originates.
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Between 1947 and 1949, some 750,000 Palestinians were expelled as Israel declared its independence, and in June 1967 some 300,000 more Palestinians fled or were driven into exile as Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza. Hundreds of villages were systematically razed and erased from the map. In the course of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza after June 1967, over 1,000 Palestinians — including women and children — were deported without charges or trial. Fully 50 percent of the land and 80 percent of the precious water reserves were confiscated by the Israeli government. And as deported Palestinians languished in exile, some 100,000 Jews settled in the West Bank and Gaza. All these measures — and many more routinely taken by Israel in the occupied territories — were, as one Israeli periodical euphemistically put it, "very far from the norms of international law" (Hotam, 4 August 1989). (Norman G. Finkelstein, The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years, University of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis and London, 1996, p. 52)
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Atrocities escalated, "no doubt precipitat[ing] the flight of communities on the path of the IDF advance" (Birth, p. 230). Consider the massacre at Ad Dawayima in late October. A soldier eyewitness described how the IDF, capturing the village "without a fight," first "killed about 80-100 [male] Arabs, women and children. The children were killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead." The remaining Arabs were then closed off in houses "without food and water," as the village was systematically razed.
One commander ordered a sapper to put two old women in a certain house ... and to blow up the house with them. The sapper refused. ... The commander then ordered his men to put in the old women and the evil deed was done. One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her. One woman, with a newborn baby in her arms, was employed to clear the courtyard where the soldiers ate. She worked a day or two. In the end they shot her and her baby.
The soldier eyewitness concluded that "cultured officers ... had turned into base murderers and this not in the heat of battle ... but out of a system of expulsion and destruction. The less Arabs remained — the better.
Morris reports the following (very partial) inventory of IDF atrocities committed in the October fighting, as presented to the Political Committee of Mapam: SAFSAF — "52 men tied with a rope and dropped into a well and shot. 10 were killed. Women pleaded for mercy. [There were] 3 cases of rape. ... A girl aged 14 was raped. Another 4 were killed."
JISH — "a woman and her baby were killed. Another 11 [were killed?]."
(Norman G. Finkelstein, Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, Verso, London and New York, 1995, p. 76)
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Some two hundred Kuwaitis reportedly perished in the course of the Iraqi invasion. Approximately twenty thousand Palestinians and Lebanese perished in the course of the Israeli invasion [of Lebanon]. There was fully a hundredfold difference between the two invasions. And as the media waxed indignant over Iraq's use of horrific chemical weapons against Iran and the Kurds, they should have remembered as well Israel's use, probably illegal, of cluster bombs and phosphorus shells during the Lebanon War. In his epic memoir, Pity the Nation, veteran British correspondent Robert Fisk described two Lebanese infant victims of the phosphorus shells:
Dr. Shamaa's story was a dreadful one and her voice broke as she told it. "I had to take the babies and put them in buckets of water to put out the flames," she said. "When I took them out half an hour later, they were still burning. Even in the mortuary, they smouldered for hours." Next morning, Amal Shamaa took the tiny corpses out of the mortuary for burial. To her horror, they again burst into flames.
(Norman G. Finkelstein, The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years, University of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis and London, 1996, pp. 45-46)
[quote]In fact, every expression of Palestinian "violence" I witnessed during my stay in the occupied territories was little more than symbolic, though the same could not be said for the force used to suppress it. Once, at Jalazoun refugee camp, children were burning a tire off the main road inside the camp when a car ... pulled up next to it. The doors swung open, and four men (either settlers or the army in plainclothes) jumped out, shooting with abandon in every direction. The boy beside me was shot in the back, the bullet exiting from his navel. ... Next day the Jerusalem Post reported that the army had fired in self-defense. (Norman G. Finkelstein, The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years, University of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis and London, 1996, p. 2)[quote]
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A thousand-page Save the Children study, The Status of Palestinian Children during the Uprising, exhaustively documented the "indiscriminate beating, teargassing, and shooting of children." More than 150 Palestinian children have been killed since the beginning of the intifada, including at least 37 below the age of six. The average age was ten. A majority, the study found, were not even participating in a stone-throwing demonstration when shot dead, and four-fifths of the gunshot victims were "obstructed or delayed by the army" as they sought emergency medical treatment. Funerals were "violently disrupted or interfered with" by the army. More than fifty thousand Palestinian children required medical attention for tear-gas inhalation, multiple fractures, and so on, during the first two years of the intifada; nearly half were ten years old or younger. The study also found that "the vast majority of soldiers responsible for the child casualties have been neither censured nor punished." Indeed, only the few cases that received press coverage were even being investigated.
A B'Tselem (Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) study, Violence against Minors in Police Detention, found that "illegal violence against minors, ... many [of whom] are innocent of any crime, ... occurs on a large scale." Severe beatings, including "slapping, punching, kicking, hair pulling, beatings with clubs or with iron rods, pushing into walls and onto floors," were said to be "very common." The study also highlighted more novel methods for interrogating minors:
Beating the detainee as he is suspended in a closed sack covering the head and tied around the knees; tying the detainee in a twisted position to an outdoor pipe with hands behind the back for hours and, sometimes, in the rain, at night, and during the hot daytime hours; confining the detainee, sometimes for a few days, in the "lock-up" — a dark, smelly and suffocating cell one and a half by one and a half meters [five by five feet]; placing the detainee, sometimes for many hours, in the "closet" — a narrow cell the height of a person in which one can stand but not move; and depositing the tied-up detainee for many hours in the "grave" — a kind of box, closed by a door from the top, with only enough room to crouch and no toilet.
Israeli press and human rights reports put flesh and blood on the data. The 1 April 1988 issue of Hotam reported the case of a ten-year-old beaten so black and blue during an army interrogation that he was left "looking like a steak." The soldiers "weren't bothered" even when they later learned that the boy was deaf, mute, and mentally retarded. The 13 July 1988 issue of Koteret Ra**** reported the "disappearance of 25 children" and jail threats to their parents for "annoying" the army about the children's whereabouts. The 19 August 1988 issue of Hadashot featured three photos of a blindfolded six-year-old in an army jeep. The caption reported that many children his age would be held in detention until "ransoms" of several hundred dollars were paid, and that, as they were carted away, the children often urinated in their pants "from fear." Under the heading "Deliberate Murder," the August 1989 bulletin for the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights reported that the Israeli army (apparently sharpshooters from "special units") had targeted an "increasing" number of Palestinian children in leadership roles. "Carefully chosen," the victim was usually shot in the head or heart and died almost instantaneously. Dr. Haim Gordon of the Israeli Association for Human Rights reported the case of an eight-year-old tortured by soldiers after refusing to reveal which of his friends had thrown stones. Stripped naked, hung by his legs and brutally beaten, the boy was then pushed to the edge of a rooftop before being released (cited in the January 1990 bulletin of the Israeli League). The 15 January 1990 issue of Hadashot reported the case of a thirteen-year-old who was thrown into detention after his fingers were deliberately broken and who was then left without any medical treatment or food because his father was unable to pay the ransom of 750 dollars. The 26 January 1990 issue of Davar reported the case of a sixteen-year-old girl who was beaten by a club-wielding policeman ("He even tried to push the club between my legs") and then thrashed in prison for refusing to sign a confession. The 29 June 1990 issue of Hotam reported the case of a thirteen-year-old detainee who, refusing to supply incriminating evidence against his brother, was "smashed" in the face, had "bruise marks on his entire body," was not allowed to drink or eat "for hours," and was forced to "urinate and defecate in his pants."
Reporting on the grisly fate of Palestinians as young as fourteen arrested on "suspicion of stone-throwing," the 24 February 1992 issue of Hadashot quoted an inside source at the Hebron detention center:
What happened there ... was plain horror: they would break their clubs on the prisoners' bodies, hit them in the genitals, tie a prisoner up on the cold floor and play soccer with him — literally kick and roll him around. Then they'd give him electric shocks, using the generator of a field telephone, and then push him out to stand for hours in the cold and rain.... They would crush the prisoners, ... turning them into lumps of meat.
Another source inside the center was quoted to the effect that the "tortures recall what is being inflicted in the cellars of Damascus's prisons." (Norman G. Finkelstein, The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years, University of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis and London, 1996, pp. 47-49)
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Recalling his stint as a guard in Gaza Beach, "one of the best" Israeli internment camps for Palestinians, Israeli journalist Ari Shavit expatiated on [his experiences] with rare candor and insight:
Most [Palestinians] are awaiting trial; most were arrested because they were throwing stones or were said to be members of illegal organizations. Many are in their teens. Among them, here and there, are some boys who are small and appear to be very young.... The prison has twelve guard towers. Some Israeli soldiers are struck — and deeply shaken — by the similarity between these and certain other towers, about which they have learned at school.... ... Maybe the Shin Bet [secret police] is to blame for this — for the arrests it makes and what it does to those arrested. For almost every night, after it has managed, in its interrogations, to "break" a certain number of young men, the Shin Bet delivers to the [soldiers] a list with the names of friends of the young men.... [Then] the soldiers ... go out almost every night to the city and ... come back with children of fifteen or sixteen years of age. The children grit their teeth. Their eyes bulge from their sockets. In not a few cases they have already been beaten.... And soldiers crowd together in the "reception room" to look at them when they undress. To look at them in their underwear, to look at them as they tremble with fear. And sometimes they kick them — one kick more, before they put on their new prison clothes.... Or maybe the doctor is to blame. You wake him up in the middle of the night to treat one of those just brought in — a young man, barefoot, wounded, who looks as if he's having an epileptic fit, who tells you that they beat him just now on the back and stomach and over the heart. There are ugly red marks all over his body. The doctor turns to the young man and shouts at him. In a loud, raging voice he says: May you die! And then he turns to me with a laugh: May they all die! Or maybe the screams are to blame. At the end of the watch, ... you sometimes hear terrible screams ... from the other side of the ... fence of the interrogation section, ... hair-raising human screams. Literally hair-raising.... In Gaza our General Security Services therefore amount to a Secret Police, our internment facilities are cleanly run Gulags. Our soldiers are jailers, our interrogators torturers. Thus in the forty months of the intifada, more than ten thousand Israeli citizens in uniform have walked between the fences, have heard the screams, have seen the young being led in and out. And the country has been quiet. Has flourished.... Ten thousand (if not fifteen thousand, if not twenty thousand) Israelis have done their work faithfully — have opened the heavy iron doors of the isolation cell and then closed it. Have led the man from the interrogation chamber to the clinic, from the clinic back to the interrogation chamber. They have looked close up at people ****ting in terror, pissing in fear. And not one among them has begun a hunger strike in front of the house of the prime minister. Not one among them that I know of has said, This will not happen. Not in a Jewish state.
(Norman G. Finkelstein, The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years, University of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis and London, 1996, pp. 71-73)
good lord.
you win!
no joke...Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
what does thisQuote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
have to do with this you racist moron???Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
This thing is just out of control. Funny I was just looking at an article on al-jazeera.
Then they have a poll on that page:Quote:
Palestinian youths tried to break into the European Union office in Gaza in protest over European newspapers printing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that have whipped up fury across the Islamic world.
The protesters threw stones at the EU office, burnt tyres outside and clashed with security forces when they tried to enter the compound. The police arrested two youths.
The youths took down the EU flag from the building and replaced it with the Palestinian flag.
They chanted slogans against Denmark and pledged to give their "blood to redeem the Prophet".
Yea, consumer boycotts and peaceful protest are appropriate. Threats and riots are not. It seems to me that Muslims need better leadership. Don't they have something like the anti-defamation league put forward a responsible voice?Quote:
Are consumer boycotts against countries an appropriate response to publication of cartoons of Prophet Muhammad by newspapers?
Edit: I guess there are Muslim leaders calling for restraint. Just alot of them aren't listening.
Only you guys want Freedom to be a one way lane, with said freedom comes responsibility, something those caricature artist never heard of obviously, and an attempt to deface one of the largest religions on earth just to get your five minutes of fame, well I wish them luck dealing with the consequences, after all, we're only practicing our freedom as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
and I recall now someone doing the math of how few nuclear weapons Arab countries hold, all you need is Two actually ;)
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/me...embassy.ap.jpg
Hundreds of Syrian demonstrators stormed the Danish Embassy in Damascus Saturday and set fire to the building, witnesses said.
over a cartoon :rolleyes:
Everything.Quote:
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[edit]As far as I'm concerned there's only 1 human race. Resorting to mother jokes or name-calling when there's nothing to dispute. How fresh.