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Originally Posted by marauder68
Yeah but the thing is. YOU can target spark. And they can't. Even more OP.
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Originally Posted by marauder68
Yeah but the thing is. YOU can target spark. And they can't. Even more OP.
Okay, I can definitely confirm Hermes has some kind of new rare card. Don't know what it is yet (other than a sparkly crystal thing), I was playing a denial deck against him so he never got to play anything. I came this close to getting it on the spinner, too :(
EDIT: OH CRAP now we're going to see an influx of spark/parallel universe decks in top50/PvP WE ARE ALL HOSED
Yeah. It gave me 1 of it, 2 of it, and then something else. I want to know what it is!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel
Also. If anybody can make me a good-counter-hermes deck only outline so I can go farm it it would be greatly appreciated <3.
Edit: Also, has anybody seen him use it yet so they can at least look at it and see what it is? Maybe since I'm playing mono-aether he just can't use it against me? Idk.
Heal decks that use bonewall owns HermesQuote:
Originally Posted by sixones
ie rainbow FFq/oty/eb/bone
Well I was looking for more of a card break down but hmm I'll try to think something up.Quote:
Originally Posted by krazykraze
**Miracle also has one of the new crystally blue cards.
Ok i'm a 100% newbie here but I have won 2 games against top50 decks and lost 40-50 score each time..
Why am I losing score for beating people with much higher scores than I have??
And by much higher I mean I started @ about 150.. and played people with scores 20,000 to 30,000.
So does Incarnate... WTF Are they.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
hahahahahaha
I just got a mastery in a game I wouldn't have.
Life element opponent with an Emerald shield out- cast holy light on himself twice-- healing ME for 10 points!
:)
Those aren't people, they are CPU's playing a real person's deck..Quote:
Originally Posted by omgmir
I think they all might have that new blue crystalline spell thing. I've seen it on a lot of people. Seism now.
I'm aware of this.. the fact remains I should have gained score yet I lost it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
This seems to be the case. Confirmed it on Fire Queen, so that's already over half. Still haven't seen anything play it, but it could be situationally useful, and if they only have 1 apiece in their decks they may not necessarily get it before the game's over... it could just be a special rare bonus added to the fake gods' spinner wheels, though, which actually might be more likely (otherwise it would be insanely rare to even see it on the larger decks like Hermes, FQ, etc...)Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
I don't think my bro has done anything to my account, it's like someone reset my account. Help is appreciated. Thank you.
Maybe its just some random card that sells for like 3000 or something I'm thinking. With no stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel
hey guys, my aether/life deck with some heals and a druid staff is sucking at takign down gods. I beat scorpio once. whee.
I notice the black deck with the mana leecher thingies cream me since it shuts out my mana and steals my shields.
should i just sell everything and go with that? Kinda getting bored and annoyed
aether/life is for Level 3s. Not gods.Quote:
Originally Posted by velz
The black devourer deck will NOT do good against gods as they generate 3 quanta a turn from their marks and draw 2 cards a turn which leaves room for a lot more quanta gain then you can get rid of.
gravity/earth maybe then?Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
firefly?
suggestions?
I use aether, idk what else works well. Rainbow works well too if you have a good deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by velz
Didnt you just say you cant use aether for gods?Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
You can't use that darkness deck for gods I said with devourers.Quote:
Originally Posted by velz
FYI phase dragons now cost 13 to play!
This is why I was upset beta only lasted most of one weekend. The beta remake of the phase dragons had them at 11/0 at a cost of 7 or so aether quanta (PU's were at 5), then changes went live and we had the 8/6 invincible 11 aether quanta version, without any testing (public testing anyway) at all. The whole point of beta versions for games like these is to minimize bugs and for balancing, but 2.5 days (if it was even that) wasn't enough to balance new cards. If beta had been longer, this change probably would have occurred sooner and many people (like me) wouldn't have spent all their credit upgrading their aether farming decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by r3h0ld3r
For the record, I'm not upset that aether was nerfed. The fact that it is still the predominant godfarming deck, as well as very popular in PvP, speaks to its power. The reason I play aether is not because I want to be 1337 or be in the top50, it's so I can get to a point where I can experiment and have fun with other decks. Two deck ideas I have now each require 6 upgraded cards, so that's what I'm working towards now. If beta was re instituted, people could experiment with different decks and changes could be vetted first before going live.
Ok, I just saw that shiny thing you guys were talking about in a pvp game. It adds 20 to maximum hp when played :)
Mono-aether hasn't been nerfed. At least from what I can tell so far. I'm still beating the fake-gods I was beating before the price increase: Morte, Incarnate, Miracle. I haven't play FQ yet, but I even beat Hermes. So while the price increase slows aether up a little more, it's only by 1 turn, usually. I imagine it will make Seism harder for me. Because I usually can't get more than 1 dragon out before I'm using all my quanta to keep my shields up. But the price increase sure hasn't made my half-upgraded mono-aether deck useless against fake-gods.
sorry very tired when typing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixones
so im at a loss here, my mono aether or aether/life deck is just doing horrible against gods, yet supposedly it's *the* god farming deck..
I have to be missing something...Are people using this in a completely upgraded form? i dont have ONE upgraded card yet and I can't see myself grinding out THAT much even to get ONE upgraded tower for example. 1500 is an insane amount to me, again unless I'm being shortsighted on a strategy here somewhere...i dont have a ton of time to play this game, I'd like to be able to put togetehr something competitive however without having to devote my life to it.
do you still use dragons or immortals?Quote:
Originally Posted by CB!
for me i've been losing alot more games than i should due to this change
yea expect some major loss when facing godQuote:
Originally Posted by velz
but when you do win, some games get u 2 cards per game that worth 860 gold each and that's 1 upgrade right there...it all depends on ur luck though
a deck can be competitive without any upgrades, my more than half upgraded aether lose to non upgraded dark/earth and gravity decks alot...i think i lost 5 in a row to a not upped dark/earth yesterday, maybe it is because of my bad draw but you can see that in elements strategy > upgrades
so youre saying that aether definitely is the go to god farming deck or are there other variations?Quote:
Originally Posted by krazykraze
and is it only 30 cards or more?
IMO i think switching to fire for destruction in the deck to kil off their shields is more important than the life thing i have now to try and get a master win vs lvl 3s...hmm
switching to fire won't get you any masteries because you can't heal urself so no fireQuote:
Originally Posted by velz
and yea i don't think not upgraded aether is very good against god now because at least you can summon those miracle (lol) dragons faster with towers instead of pillars
Why can't Seism's Pulverizer artifact be targeted?
seism cast enchant artifact alot so maybe that's why (u can't target EAed weapons)Quote:
Originally Posted by velz
At the start with mono-aether - sixones posted a variation deck a dozen pages ago or so - which does a pretty good job against the gods, you're going to be losing a lot. And I don't mean 50% or so, I mean that with 6-7 of them you might as well just quit out, and of the remaining ones, all but Incarnate and Miracle you're not likely to take more than one win in four. If you managed to get more than one Lobotomizer, you'll have more luck against FQ but you'll find yourself having some frustrated draws where you just don't get the shields in time.
Miracle and Incarnate are the only ones with remotely close to a guaranteed win with appropriate strategies, and you're still going to need to have enough shields in your hand and quanta on the floor by 18 cards left to play out the rest of the game without dropping it.
The upside is that when you win you pay for another loss, and when you win a card, you can lose/quit out of ~25 matches and still show a profit. A few lucky streaks and you'll upgrade a couple cards, and once you get a handle on Seism, even with the new-and-not-so-improved dragons you can still deal with him more than half the time (because of the EQ mechanic, having the ability to drop two stacks of Aether quanta cards is very beneficial against him). Once again, a lobo can make or break your experience, this time because of the cost for cheap damage.
In a lot of ways, you have to remember that the Mono-Aether has a lot in common with a rainbow deck against the L6 decks. Sometimes you need a quick shield, sometimes you need a lot of shields, sometimes you need the PUs and sometimes you need to not have those and instead the dragons do all the lifting, and sometimes you need a second turn lobo or all is lost.
tl;dr
Even with the best luck, your cards in an unupgraded deck can only get you four wins out of 11 decks. Good luck on your part and reasonably bad luck on the AIs can get you another 2-3, and you're still left quitting out of 4-5 , so you need a lot of tolerance for failure to 'farm' the gods.
gotcha thanks guys
i didn't start farm god until i had about 9 pillars upgraded
before that i just grinded level 3s for money and upgraded the hardcore way
facing god with a not upped aether is very hard not to mention it hurts your score alot...after about 9 towers i gain more score facing god than doing level 3s but i still lose a lot
but that's before the nerf and i don't feel like doing god again with a handicap...
also if u want to grind level 3s aether/life masteries might not work so well since u will have handicapped mana to summon dragons unless you run immortals instead (i assume you use life mark), best deck to get masteries now is dark/vamp deck
I've been able to beat the miracle god a few times with a totally unupgraded mono-aether deck. It's all about shields & using their super creatures against them.
6 shields
6 parrallel universes
2 dragons
1 lobotomizer
15 pillars
No luck against the other gods & didn't win a card any of the times I have won, so overall I'm down about 300 coins
You should be able to beat incarnate with that deck too, and probably with a mastery when you do. Don't play any PUs until you have a lobo to remove all infections and viruses, then copy the vampires. Once you've got 4+ damage sources it's in the bag.
Same with FFQ if you draw your lobo on turn 1, copy the animated weapons and hope he doesn't leave an eagle's eye in the weapon slot too long where you can't lobotomize it.
If you get lucky, you can also take on Gemini with the same deck. He'll have to burn his PUs on a creature without momentum and you'll have to get lucky with the lobo to be able to strip off the momentum while copying it for your own collection - this one's a rare win though (comments suggest upgrades can make winning here a lot more likely).
If you swap the PUs with dragons you'll have about the same winning percentage against all the decks you can beat, but can also take on Seism a lot of the times he doesn't start out with 5-6 EQs in hand (your winning percentage will go up dramatically with even 3-4 upgraded towers).
I should have mentioned before, since it may not be self evident, the absolute key to winning against the 'easy' gods is to have 15 or 18 consecutive turns with shields. That's why it's absolutely vital to play a 30 card deck and no more, so that you can get survive down to 16-19 cards remaining and have 2-3 shields in hand, plus very good odds of picking up the rest. Most of your wins against Miracle and Incarnate will be with 1-5 cards left to draw, you need to make it as likely as possible you'll live that long.
A few things -
What do people say to a forum T50, based on postcount in certain forums (eg, not in off-topic)?
when was the last time zanz replied to this? Should someone email him/her to put in an appearance?
I'll be home in a few days, so can start work on wiki, forum and start playing again. Expect a lot of posts when I find stuff that is new to me, but is probably old news to everyone else. Sorry in advance.
New card ideas -
Furnace - Fire - Permanent - Cost, undecided
For use with elite Fireflies, or Brimstone eater
Ability - Combustion -Use 1 fire to create 1 light, multi-use per turn
Torch - Permanent - Use 1 fire and 1 darkness to create 2 light, multi-use per turn
A card for each element - use all of that element's quanta to boost all of that element's creatures ON EACH SIDE by a number based on quanta
Finally: DEDICATED FORUM AT : http://www.elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com
I'm still running dragons. But like I said it's really only slowing up my start by 1 turn. I've still lost a few games, but that's been more due to a bad draw. I haven't had a situation where I could pin the loss to the cost of the dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by krazykraze
EDIT: Just played Seism where I was expecting to lose because of the new cost. And I did lose this one because I couldn't get as many dragons out and he just outlasted my shields.