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You chose some good inspirational material. Apple has the coolest designs ever.Quote:
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Relax man. It's only a message board.Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
pretty amateur design, but funny :)Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
Took all of about a minute to do, i'm hardly gonna put effort into something like that now am I?Quote:
Originally posted by FI
pretty amateur design, but funny :)
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Originally posted by FI
Good feedback from everyone here, took a while to read.
Overall:
The online Interactive media industry (flash etc..), is suffering from several perspectives, mainly standards.
Flash Kit, others, are 99% amateurs, hobbiests, and 1% professionals.
Maybe because our industry is so fresh and new maybe otherwise, but the OVERALL problem is the attitude, work ethics and standard HERE have become mainstream.
Professionals?:
Unfortunate for Interactive Media, it is extremely easy for anyone to be part of, a lot easier than TV, Game Design, Print, Animation and FX design of which all have governing boards for standards, morals and rules. Professional people dominate all these other medias. Interactive Media does not have any of the professional control, quality, input, support which makes an attitude.
Flashkit is seen as the mainstream governing body if we like it or not, but with professionals consisting of about 0.1-1%, its a receipe to consume and spam our industry.
Solution:
Education, a governing body, a community that is similar to flashkit in awareness but with 99% professionals and 1% amateurs.
I cant change flashkit's members attitudes, but I am determined to be part of the organisation that can be seen as the governing board for standards in Interactive Media with an aim to influence and promote all forms of design and programming, educating and providing a haven for everyone here that will hopefully be considered a professional in our industry.
www.propod.com
David and everyone at FI, 2A and anyone else that is behind this.
was it just me or did you just make it obvious what www.propod.com was gonna be for? although I love the work you do david I get the impression that you have only come to the boards to make it clear that if you want proffesional feedback/discussion/etc then flashkit is not the place as it's only got 1% proffesionals, you then cleverly dropped in the www.propod.com link? am I the only one that reads it this way?
if this is the case then I look forward to propod, would be nice to have a filtered discussion, only "proffesional" responses :)
as far as this thread goes, I feel like I have seen this a hundred times before, a site is posted that copies someone else, then a huge discussion about it starts up.
As far as young designers being accused of copying sites and stuff, although I don't agree with it or condone it I have to admit that 10 years ago when I was 15 if I had the opportunity to create flash sites I don't think I would have cared about what people thought if I copied, be honest would you at that age? maybe flashkit should have an age rating, 18 or over, that would stop the copcats, no?
please don't look to much into this comment, it's just a light hearted view :)
why don't you contribute something to this discussion rather than just trying to troll through it? I'm sure you have something to contribute or is your only point that david has a bit of a potty mouth and so can't be a professional designer?Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
Took all of about a minute to do, i'm hardly gonna put effort into something like that now am I?
this was a good discussion, maybe it's time to close it before it's completely crap.
oh i said crap, I should resign my modship...
lol Nevil,
I got that impression when I first read the comment, but I just thought nothing of it, carried on reading and forgot about it :)
I do, but when someone like him comes on here making wild accusations, there's really little point in saying anything is there? He's come on firing out all these facts and figures, yet has no evidence to substantiate what he's been saying - how can he prove that only 1% of the people on here are pro?Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
I'm sure you have something to contribute or is your only point that david has a bit of a potty mouth and so can't be a professional designer?
I'm educated to degree level and work in the industry, am I an amateur?
The reason I brought up the whole 'crap' thing was to enforce the point that he is being hypocritical. He says that he has remained professional and to quote 'dignified' in his words, then comes out with "stop spamming our industry with crap"!
And who the hell is he to say something like that? Loads of people aspire to his work, then to see him calling 99% of the poeple on here amateur and their work crap............. :rolleyes:
thanks man, please if you disagree with him, or anyone, enter the discussion, make a point like this not byt trolling the discussion.Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
I do, but when someone like him comes on here making wild accusations, there's really little point in saying anything is there? He's come on firing out all these facts and figures, yet has no evidence to substantiate what he's been saying - how can he prove that only 1% of the people on here are pro?
I'm educated to degree level and work in the industry, am I an amateur?
The reason I brought up the whole 'crap' thing was to enforce the point that he is being hypocritical. He says that he has remained professional and to quote 'dignified' in his words, then comes out with "stop spamming our industry with crap"!
And who the hell is he to say something like that? Loads of people aspire to his work, then to see him calling 99% of the poeple on here amateur and their work crap............. :rolleyes:
I think there's plenty of room here to debate his facts and figures, I didn't take them at face value, I assumed they were merely illustrative to claim they're accurate is only speculation. If I had to put a figure on the percentage of 'professionals' I saw on this board, so that's probably out of a couple of thousand regularly active memebers, I'd say maybe 15% were professionals. They may or may not be the best designers in the world but they do good work and have a laugh.
I can see the point that david is trying to make however, there is certainly a majority of people on the boards that do not, imho, take advantage of the possibilities on this board to learn from experience and insight, people that seem to think they have the only opinion that matters on aesthetics, people with warped ideas of what a good designer is...
nothing here is a big deal and I think a good discussion can benefit everyone.
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And I agree with Olli's point here. I get what David and Shane were saying, but I think the way they said may have offended many people here. Olli, don't take it personally, but if you were receiving 10+ emails per day containing links to websites that were rips of your company's website, I think you'd be a bit ticked too.Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
And who the hell is he to say something like that? Loads of people aspire to his work, then to see him calling 99% of the poeple on here amateur and their work crap............. :rolleyes:
Wise words, and I agree. I can see what he is saying and I understand that anyone should get angry if their work is plagarised, but at the end of the day, people aspire to FI and 2A - imitation is the highest form of flattery!Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
thanks man, please if you disagree with him, or anyone, enter the discussion, make a point like this not byt trolling the discussion.
I think there's plenty of room here to debate his facts and figures, I didn't take them at face value, I assumed they were merely illustrative to claim they're accurate is only speculation. If I had to put a figure on the percentage of 'professionals' I saw on this board, so that's probably out of a couple of thousand regularly active memebers, I'd say maybe 15% were professionals. They may or may not be the best designers in the world but they do good work and have a laugh.
I can see the point that david is trying to make however, there is certainly a majority of people on the boards that do not, imho, take advantage of the possibilities on this board to learn from experience and insight, people that seem to think they have the only opinion that matters on aesthetics, people with warped ideas of what a good designer is...
nothing here is a big deal and I think a good discussion can benefit everyone.
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Thing he (dm) /they (fi) have to realise, is that in their position - as one of the top design companies, they have to be a bit more thoughtful with their words - it's difficult to take some of the comments that have been made as anything but insulting to be frank. Maybe if the same was said by any old person than fair enough, but coming from the mouth of the creative director of FI........
Our master plan worked!! We got FI to tell us what Propod was. Good job guys -- and after months and months of planning. Success! Back to the drawing board. Now, we have to trick Shane into telling us when the next version of 2A comes out. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Ritchie-T
lol Nevil,
I got that impression when I first read the comment, but I just thought nothing of it, carried on reading and forgot about it :)
I agree with everything you said in this post. I would have expected them to express their disdain for ripping with a better choice of words. But, to each his/her own. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
Wise words, and I agree. I can see what he is saying and I understand that anyone should get angry if their work is plagarised, but at the end of the day, people aspire to FI and 2A - imitation is the highest form of flattery!
Thing he (dm) /they (fi) have to realise, is that in their position - as one of the top design companies, they have to be a bit more thoughtful with their words - it's difficult to take some of the comments that have been made as anything but insulting to be frank. Maybe if the same was said by any old person than fair enough, but coming from the mouth of the creative director of FI........
Cheers, i'm glad someone sees my point!Quote:
Originally posted by gdstudios
And I agree with Olli's point here. I get what David and Shane were saying, but I think the way they said may have offended many people here. Olli, don't take it personally, but if you were receiving 10+ emails per day containing links to websites that were rips of your company's website, I think you'd be a bit ticked too.
I re-iterate my quote:
With clients such as Microsoft, Nintendo and so on, it's hardly like they (FI) have got anything to be worried about now is it? Be honest......Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
people aspire to FI and 2A - imitation is the highest form of flattery!
Very true Olli, but it is equally as important to realize that the website copies are a problem. You agree with that right?
I do agree with that, totally, but with regard to the site in question at the start of this thread...... I wouldn't call it a rip, if it was petrol blue, was layed out the same and so on, maybe I would call it a 2A rip, it has taken and slightly adapted a lot of 2A elements btu it's not a rip.Quote:
Originally posted by gdstudios
Very true Olli, but it is equally as important to realize that the website copies are a problem. You agree with that right?
People try and imitate / copy 2A all the time, found this on my travels the other day.......: http://www.zerofusion.net
Hmmm, 2A inspired splash page? Me thinks so.
At the end of the day, generally speaking, the original is always number one and best.
You can look at anything in life, look at things like supermarket own brand foods - they all copy the big names in their packaging design and so on....... clothes, cars, people will always copy the best.
To FI: Take it as a complement and aspire to remain tha market leaders - doing best at what you do, rather than whinging about some random guy copying your buttons.
(edited due to typo's)
I think the point of this thread isn't rips or copies, it's that so many web designers think that creating something like the site that opened this thread is the work of a good designer.
I think that's more the point than guys like david being pissed off at rippers, they're lamenting the fact that so many people do it and present it as good design. It's a great learning tool that's for sure, but I think it's arguable that a good designer would create a site for public consumption such as the one that started this thread.
I totally agree with you. I just think the way in which David Martin presented himself and has handled this thread is pretty poor to be perfectly honest. I just expected a much more 'professional, constructive and friendly' approach from someone who in the realms of web design, I still merit as an inspirational genius!Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
I think the point of this thread isn't rips or copies, it's that so many web designers think that creating something like the site that opened this thread is the work of a good designer.
I think that's more the point than guys like david being pissed off at rippers, they're lamenting the fact that so many people do it and present it as good design. It's a great learning tool that's for sure, but I think it's arguable that a good designer would create a site for public consumption such as the one that started this thread.
It's tough to argue with you on this...I think it is one thing to believe that 99% of Flashkit users are amateurs, but it's another to blatantly talk to them like they are amateurs. I'm just being honest.Quote:
Originally posted by Olli_Budworth
I totally agree with you. I just think the way in which David Martin presented himself and has handled this thread is pretty poor to be perfectly honest. I just expected a much more 'professional, constructive and friendly' approach from someone who in the realms of web design, I still merit as an inspirational genius!
But I still see his point and understand his frustration.