Aliens and the Evidence

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Originally Posted by HatsOff

Occam's razor, the simple answer is normally true.


we could argue by slogan all day. it wont get us anywhere.

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I think what you are forgetting is that aliens sent us directions on constructing a device which allowed one person to travel to a distant galaxy in only 18 hours using worm hole technology, there ability to bend time and space resulted in the person not appearing to be gone at all.

Nearly instantanious for everyone else, however the trip for that person lasted 18 hours.

Imagine if you will that they have the ability to do that at will, built into their ships.

I believe!!!!!!!!

http://xfphotos.fredfarm.com/season1/pilot/pilot029.jpg

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Originally Posted by silverx2

I think what you are forgetting is that aliens sent us directions on constructing a device which allowed one person to travel to a distant galaxy in only 18 hours using worm hole technology, there ability to bend time and space resulted in the person not appearing to be gone at all.

Nearly instantanious for everyone else, however the trip for that person lasted 18 hours.

Imagine if you will that they have the ability to do that at will, built into their ships.

I believe!!!!!!!!

http://board.flashkit.com/board/

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but what if some crazy guy with a bomb where to blow up the machine? you would then need some super rich guy to bail you out by leting you use the backup machine that he made on some secret base... leading you to conclude that carl sagan was a good scientist, but not so good at writing books.

Ha, Everyone knows if you are going to build a machine that aliens asked you to build, you are going to build two anyways. it shows those aliens that we have moxy, and take inititive

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Originally Posted by silverx2

Ha, Everyone knows if you are going to build a machine that aliens asked you to build, you are going to build two anyways. it shows those aliens that we have moxy, and take inititive

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hehe, if only it where true. it makes me sick when i hear politicians talking about slashing the space programs budget and what not.

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Originally Posted by HatsOff

what can not happen, is that you accuse me of murder, and claim that your evidence is a photo of a gun that you found in a magazine.

the terms ''evidence, proof, hypothesis, theory, logic'' and so on all have rules, very strickt rules. you cant just say stuff and call it evidence, it does not work like that.

you can say whatever you like, and claim it is evidence, but i am then free to pick holes in it. if i can refute it, it is not evidence.

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Nop. I am not talking about alien stories from magazines. There are thousands of cases of alien abductions, and alien contactess, and documented evidences of flying UFO's(photo/video/written) and FBI document evidences(please see the FBI docs in the same blog)..
But it has all been cleverly brushed under the carpet by saying alien abductions and all these are result of some kind of "mass-psychiatric disorder". Wow, how these guys come up with such medical terms to hide the truth. And we think our scientists/government are doing a honest job.

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no, when i say rockets, i mean rockets. liquid hydrogen will burn the same here as any other place, its the laws of physics that determine that, and the laws of physics are the same everywhere.

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Oh no no...Aliens don't need millions of gallons of liquid hydrogen to visit other planets. They use "molecular and electron charge" concept. Let me put this link on the blog on how it actually works, will update soon and let you know. Our earth physicists teach you how to waste energy more than how to use.

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by arguing against a point that i never made in an attempt to refute me, you have commited what is know as a straw man, this basically means you have used bad logic, and chances are you are wrong.

please read up on logical fallacies here: http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...arguments.html

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Dude, you seem to spend a lot of time learning on the rules and usage of fallacies(hehe :cap:), I really did not mean to cause a fallacy. I am sorry if I made it look so.

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they probably dont use money no, but your statement still falls short of explaining why the lack of a monetary system would suddernly make these rockets more efficient.

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Why because alien technology doesn't fall into our comic scientific books. It doesn't to come into "our laws" of energy consumption physics. SureI will be updating about this in the blog. Thanks for reminding me.

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furthermore, the way you have worded it could lead on to think that you have commited yet another straw man, by then calling me ignorant and failing to address the efficiency problems that i pointed out, you have commited another logical fallacy, known as ad hominem. and if your intention for this insult was to cast doubt on future things i may say, then you have commited the fallacy of poisoning the wells. either way you look at it, this is far from good logic on your behalf. it seems more like an argument based on personal emotion rather than facts. feel free to keep insulting, but be aware that doing so will not help your argument unless you follow the insults up with statements that refute my claims.

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Doh, ok ... I am the straw man (if that makes you happy). I am really sorry if you thought I was insulting you.
I AM gonna put more evidence in the blog. ok?

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as for the media, if they thought for one second that there where aliens visiting us, they would run the story over and over and over until the michael jackson coverage where made to look like a footnote.

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You have a lot of faith in media don't you. You will come to know what all things were kept hidden from us very soon. 2012 is very near.
Its gonna be fun.


And btw..... what about the ONE BIG evidence, "The Disclosure Project"??
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
Did you guys go through Disclosure project video in the blog? Did you go through disclosure project website?
You will understand how honest your MEDIA really is? How much control government has on the media. In that video you will see media reporters lined up recording and taking down notes. Now tell me how many of you in here watched this Disclosure project in your local news channel?? or BBC?
Why is it not published/broadcasted?

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Originally Posted by e_tit

There are thousands of cases of alien abductions, and alien contactess, and documented evidences of flying UFO's(photo/video/written) and FBI document evidences(please see the FBI docs in the same blog)..

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Yes...and there are also thousands of cases of ghosts, people who can read other people's minds, move objects with their thoughts, etc...I don't believe that either...

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Originally Posted by e_tit

You have a lot of faith in media don't you. You will come to know what all things were kept hidden from us very soon. 2012 is very near.
Its gonna be fun.

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Is this the "end of days" you're talking about here? You're looking forward to that??
"I'm going to be proven right when the aliens descend upon us and destroy our planet!! SWEET!!!"
You're certainly an odd duck...

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Originally Posted by e_tit

And btw..... what about the ONE BIG evidence, "The Disclosure Project"??
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
Did you guys go through Disclosure project video in the blog? Did you go through disclosure project website?
You will understand how honest your MEDIA really is? How much control government has on the media. In that video you will see media reporters lined up recording and taking down notes. Now tell me how many of you in here watched this Disclosure project in your local news channel?? or BBC?
Why is it not published/broadcasted?

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Maybe because it's bunk?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...howtopic=78477

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Originally Posted by e_tit

You are soo wrong my dear. Almost all advanced alien beings(except a few who are very evil-The reptilians and Grey) who have visited us in the past(and present)are TOO GOOD. They obey galactic laws. They dont interfere with the governments of any civilisation. They just watch us.

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Oh, in those videos men are saying about partly collaboration and technology sharing...put all of you in accord...

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Originally Posted by e_tit

Nop. I am not talking about alien stories from magazines. There are thousands of cases of alien abductions, and alien contactess, and documented evidences of flying UFO's(photo/video/written) and FBI document evidences(please see the FBI docs in the same blog)..
But it has all been cleverly brushed under the carpet by saying alien abductions and all these are result of some kind of "mass-psychiatric disorder". Wow, how these guys come up with such medical terms to hide the truth. And we think our scientists/government are doing a honest job.

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i did not mean to imply that you where using magazines as your source, i was simply trying to state that there are rules to what and what can not be called evidence. for example, even if you had an alien corpse, a real one in your freezer at home, and you could show it to people. even that would not be evidence. it would be just some unidentified life form, possibly extraterrestrial. you could only call it evidence once tests have been run on it, and you find that it does not share any DNA with anything else on this planet. then it would be evidence. if the tests where to be more successful, and they where to show even more things, and these things could be tested and verified by others, and all the arguments and debate could hold up to criticism, then it would be proof. and if you could then form some hypothesis about its origin, test it and verify it repeatedly, you would then be able to say that it is a fact that aliens are real, and that you have a scientific theory of where they are from and how they got here. the main problem here, is you have submitted on your blog, as evidence, things that are known to not be evidence. for example the alien interview is a well known fake. even if you did have some real evidence its validity would be tainted by the previous hoaxes. couple this with how extraordinary the claims are, and you should be able to see just how much evidence and/or standard of evidence is lacking.

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Originally Posted by e_tit

Oh no no...Aliens don't need millions of gallons of liquid hydrogen to visit other planets. They use "molecular and electron charge" concept. Let me put this link on the blog on how it actually works, will update soon and let you know. Our earth physicists teach you how to waste energy more than how to use.

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again, this does not meet the standard to be calling it evidence, even with a video. you would need to produce some peer reviewed documents that show that what you claim is at least a coherent idea, and ideally at least a viable hypothesis. if you can do that and produce some data then your claim is at least partially credible.

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Originally Posted by e_tit

Dude, you seem to spend a lot of time learning on the rules and usage of fallacies(hehe :cap:), I really did not mean to cause a fallacy. I am sorry if I made it look so.

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i mainly study them because i sepnd a lot of time debating things. no appologie necessary, its a common mistake.


Why because alien technology doesn't fall into our comic scientific books. It doesn't to come into "our laws" of energy consumption physics. SureI will be updating about this in the blog. Thanks for reminding me.

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Originally Posted by e_tit

Doh, ok ... I am the straw man (if that makes you happy). I am really sorry if you thought I was insulting you.
I AM gonna put more evidence in the blog. ok?

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how i feel or if i have been insulted is irrelevant, i was simply pointing out that if you substitute an insult or personal attack for an argument, that this is bad logic. if you had called me ignorant, and then proceded to refute or give an argument as to why my previous point on efficiency was not valid, it would have been fine. there is nothing wrong with adding on some heat in a heated debate, just make sure also attach a counter argument to it.

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Originally Posted by e_tit

You have a lot of faith in media don't you. You will come to know what all things were kept hidden from us very soon. 2012 is very near.
Its gonna be fun.

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i dont trust the media one bit, i think they will say anything as long as its fine with ther personal political agenda, and i think they are greedy and manipulative. for this very reason i say they would cover any serious story about aliens. their greed would overcome them and it would become a quest for ratings.

as for mentioning 2012, that seriously makes me suspect that you spend a lot of time reading things about nibiru, the nephilim, planet x, and all that other stuff. dont let them fool you man. all this talk about the world ending in 2012 and the reptilians and what not is just a scare tactic to sell books and dvd's. in fact i think they have even made an official movie now. fear sells. the mayan calendar is just a calendar.

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Originally Posted by e_tit

And btw..... what about the ONE BIG evidence, "The Disclosure Project"??
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
Did you guys go through Disclosure project video in the blog? Did you go through disclosure project website?
You will understand how honest your MEDIA really is? How much control government has on the media. In that video you will see media reporters lined up recording and taking down notes. Now tell me how many of you in here watched this Disclosure project in your local news channel?? or BBC?
Why is it not published/broadcasted?

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well, those are some pretty tall claims, let me know when you have updated the site, tell me what you are submiting as evidence, and i will take a look at it. i cant promise you will like what i have to say though.

hmm... interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENu3K...eature=related

Ziggy played guitar...

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Originally Posted by e_tit

hmm... interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENu3K...eature=related

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yes, it is quite interesting. its a shame the quality of the information is so low though. i would like to see some data from the tests run on the metal. to see if it is indeed radioactive. if it is just pure aluminum i don't see how it could have caused any mal-formation in the husband. Also there is no mention of an autopsy, or its results. So far all we have is a, some 100 year ago, uneducated people buried a corpse.

This is also not the only claim of an extraterrestrial crash landing, so I'm forced to wonder why it is that super advanced extraterrestrials would keep crashing in to our planet.

This story could be explained by saying that a kid from the next town over was playing in a barn when a meteorite hit the barn, killing and disfiguring the child. The towns people not knowing who it was, and not having seen such injuries in before, reasoned that it must be some kind of thing. They buried it in some grave. The metal could have been carried in by the meteorite, and the husbands ailment just a coincidence.

Sure, that may sound far fetched, but not as far fetches as an extraterrestrial crash landing.

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Originally Posted by flashpipe1

Yes...and there are also thousands of cases of ghosts, people who can read other people's minds, move objects with their thoughts, etc...I don't believe that either...


Maybe because it's bunk?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...howtopic=78477

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Oh yeah, how easy it is to ridicule. You just keep your eyes and mind shut, grab on to your EGO and say "No matter what you give I am not gonna believe even if the alien comes to my bed and plays with my dick all night" Tell me honestly did you even go through that disclosure project video? You just go by what some "unknown" guy says in some X forum who thinks he has done a great job by spitting at 400 high ranking officials who come and speak out their heart in front of media.. Its such a shame you don't even show respect to some of the elder citizens who have come out and revealed the truth fearing their conscience.

I give more value to "conscience" than evidence. I am thoroughly convinced with all the evidence we already have. You will NEVER accept any evidence no matter how many you get. Why because you have already made up your mind NOT to believe. And thats not MY problem.

and btw, you think telepathy(reading others mind) is not possible?? Pitty on you that you only believe in things that "you" can do in your day to day life. Have you spent any of your time meditating and trying to reach out to higher dimensions? Or you just believe that everyday tv, junk food, flash kit posting, and masturbating is all we can possibly do?? There is so much out there. Try to reach for it, instead of sitting here and ridiculing.


One more very interesting video(evidence)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjQgq...eature=related

The crazy is strong in here. Did a shipment of Prozac get hijacked?

Diverted... to my house apparently.

So if everyone else in Earth is so dumb to this, why are you so much smarter? How do you know what our governments are and aren't doing if none of the information is disclosed? You're just as hidden from the truth as we are, you and the dudes you worship have just come up with alternate assumptions and are running with it. Kinda like everyone else's beliefs about aliens and whatnot. Just our assumptions are slightly less bizarre.

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Originally Posted by flashpipe1

Wow...you really believe that?? Amazing...you don't think that if NASA scientists were aware of civilizations on other planets, that someone would have "leaked" that information??

There are countries that don't allow freedom of the press, but I feel sorry for you if you live in a mindset that we are so controlled and filtered by our government. Must be a very paranoid and scary place to live...

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There are tons and tons of LEAKED NASA videos out there in youtube.
And yes you are right its really really reallyyyyyyyy fcking frustrating that the media is not letting out the truth in public. hey wait a minute, there are again videos of some news channels showing flying discs outside our atmosphere, flying dics spotted by ordinary people etc etc. Just type in the keywords in youtube. But guess what? Your mind is already made up that you will NOT believe any of it. So don't even bother to waste your time on youtube.

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Originally Posted by HatsOff

yes, it is quite interesting. its a shame the quality of the information is so low though. i would like to see some data from the tests run on the metal. to see if it is indeed radioactive. if it is just pure aluminum i don't see how it could have caused any mal-formation in the husband.

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Hmm, how about the video link i posted after that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjQgq...eature=related

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Originally Posted by MyFriendIsATaco

So if everyone else in Earth is so dumb to this, why are you so much smarter? How do you know what our governments are and aren't doing if none of the information is disclosed? You're just as hidden from the truth as we are, you and the dudes you worship have just come up with alternate assumptions and are running with it. Kinda like everyone else's beliefs about aliens and whatnot. Just our assumptions are slightly less bizarre.

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I have done a lot of research on this. I TRULY believe in this because its REAL. Don't compare this with bull**** religion which is nothing but "blind belief".
When i talk about 2012 its not that all the aliens will come down to earth and destroy the planet. The bad aliens are already here who are really doing their job well planned(as if everything thats happening is just between the 'world governments'). Good ones are keeping a watch. Do you know how many nuclear wars were prevented recently? 2 wars in the last 10 years. We are also trying to nuke Mars, but guess what? All missions failed(LOL). The good ones have warned us(infinite number of times) not to use nuclear weapons. Its against the galactic laws. The good aliens deactivate all our nukes once they knew we are about to use it. There is not gonna be any nuclear war happening in future (atleast till 2012) and you can take my words for it.
Lot of things wil happen in 2012. Sun is getting hotter and hotter each month. Pole shift will happen in sun on december 2012. Also our earth will come to the center of galaxy in 2012. This will cause a lot of dimensional shift changes. Planet Niburu is a past story, its not gonna happen this time for sure. The mayan calander is ending by 2012. Mayan callander is one of THE MOST accurate calanders we have. Its calculations are based on position of stars(in our galaxy) and planets(in our solar system). You will see all the earth changes(Earthquakes, super tsunamis, volcanos) starting to happen even before 2012 as our earth gradually moves to the center of the galaxy.

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Also our earth will come to the center of galaxy in 2012.

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You cannot be serious. The Earth will move from one of the spiral arms in the Milky Way to the center of the galaxy in 3 years. That's 26,000 light years.

good...and bad aliens!!?!??

and a magical movement to the center of the galaxy... where there's a massive black hole. Don't forget that!

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Originally Posted by gerbick

You cannot be serious. The Earth will move from one of the spiral arms in the Milky Way to the center of the galaxy in 3 years. That's 26,000 light years.

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I mean every 26000 years we complete one cycle in our galaxy. This time it happens in 2012. And we come to the center in our galactic belt. To put it simple, we reach a new evolution every 26000 years. Sumerians, Tibetans, Egyptians, Cherokees, Hopi, and Mayans refer to this same 26,000 year cycle in their mystical belief systems and each have developed calendars based on this great cycle.