LOL....You know where the latest in finger pointing is being done?Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
Muslims are now blaming the Jews for starting this to incite the west against Muslims.
iTony
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LOL....You know where the latest in finger pointing is being done?Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
Muslims are now blaming the Jews for starting this to incite the west against Muslims.
iTony
Well of course, that's only too predictable. Everyone knows Jews control the world. They were responsible for 911 too. If you look into anything deep enough you are sure to find a Jewish conspiracy behind it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
Flipside, You wouldn't have a picture of John Kerry up on your wall would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
iTony
OK, we'll do it. As soon as all arabs leave Isreal.Quote:
If you believ that, then you must agree that the Americas belong to the indians, and Australia to the aborigines. Yeah? Let's drive the settlers out of the lands and give it back to the natives.
I single out jews in this case beacuse they are the greatest threat to the middle east, backed by the greatest oppressor of the world. And by great I don't mean 'really really good' for all the "you are so this and that" "we are the best 'cause we have the nuces" "our religion is better than yours" "I'm too old to change my own Depends" yahoos. You will always be indoctrinated pawns. You wouldn't know injustice if it so were to land in your frontlawn. If the oppressed become the oppressor, who will back the newly oppressed? Truly not you, as you stand on the oppsite side of the gunbarrel.
I have to hand it to the US and Jews, though... great trick, convincing the world you are the victims. Bah!
Call me ignorant, someone who copulates with his mother, a morceau of fieces or whatever you want. Really, it's all waisted on me, as you're only proving my points by ignoring the subject at hand; "Why are muslims so damn angry with you?" If your answer is "because they are crazies" then you are the ignorant ones.
Every action has a reaction. You are now reaping what you've sown in this world.
Yes. Every action has a reaction and you would have to be an idiot to think that the actions being discussed here will result in anything positive for them or anyone else. Also, there is such a thing as personal responsibility. Whether one nation did something wrong or not, someone elses wrong reaction to it is still subject to criticism.
Anyway, "the greatest oppressor of the world"? What a laugh. Even if it were so, does that then justify singling out Jews because they are "backed" (whatever that means) by him?
Hmm, I belive I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
To clarify, this sentence is saying that I single out Jews because they the biggest threat to the middle east. What it does not say is that I single out jews because they are backed by the US (where you get him I have no idea).Quote:
I single out jews in this case beacuse they are the greatest threat to the middle east, backed by the greatest oppressor of the world.
You are, yet again, twisting my words to try to come out on top.
CALM DOWN
there, I said it. I mean it.
What are they threatening in the Middle East?Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
sorry. just makes me a little ill that anyone would defend the actions of a group of people that do more harm to muslims than anyone else. certainly more than a cartoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
Their existence there is enough threat. The whole 1948 creation of Israel is enough to start these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
I ain't defending anybody. I'm just saying discuss, not pop out curses to each other mother's and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
I mean... what's that going to prove? That you have some "yo' mama is so fat" joke skills?
wait, that's a damn good idea...
No, my answer is, "Who cares?"Quote:
Really, it's all waisted on me, as you're only proving my points by ignoring the subject at hand; "Why are muslims so damn angry with you?"
I just realized I totally got sucked into flipside's warped little world.
WTF do Danish cartoons have to do with Jews!?
i hear you there. i wasnt meaning to say that you defended anyone. just like it doesnt sound like you were referring to me so much since i didnt get into the mother aspect. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
nope. it wasn't toward anybody directly... I saw the mama jabs being brandied about too often, so I decided to target that. was by more than one person...Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
besides. thought you knew me by now. if it's directed at anybody, I'll address that person directly via quotes and names.
now. who's up for some good mama jokes?
The sad thing about all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
This is the crap that they are now teaching in campuses all over Socialist Europe, and sadly, many Amercian ones as well.( but I think in America they are tackling it with the Academic Bill of Rights )
In Canada this crap is now standard teaching.
iTony
Hey Tony, did you ever save the map picture of northern africa and the fly speck that is Israel on the world map?
Just wondered, I had it for awhile, but lost it. This is the perfect thread for it. :D
Talking about freedom of speech, it includes freedom of reply too, so it right for them to burn the flags. Also even FOS you hv to respect others.
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Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
You know I looked and looked every where for that picture, but no go, Yep it would be excellent for now..;)
iTony
I think the most significant thing I read in these posts, is this:
That's explains it. You people are so afraid of death, and would not accept any alternatives. And that's obviously because, "nothing" is more important than living life in everyway possible. Nothing is deeply important, or should be died for, (or even cared about), just living and having all kinds of benefits and fun possible.Quote:
I would rather have a cartoon made of my "god" than have a gun pointed at me.
You're calling "mocking from anything, anybody, at any time" FREEDOM?
That's absurdity to me.
What are you living for, eating, drinking, working, marrying, having childrens... and so on for ever? By this philosophy, nothing should stop anyone from making just "anything" except maybe the laws of the country inwhich he resides, and these are relative.
Non sence to me.
That's not the case with us, Muslims, where many thing WORTH diying for as much as living for, why? Because we beleive there will be another life, IF we were good Muslims.
And NO, terrorism does not make us good Muslims, but defending our religion, our prophets (Not just Muhammad (PPUH)), our countries does, even if this would mean death. There is nothing to fear in Islam when you know there is a kind and powerfull hand with you.
And you call yourself the country of freedom. Give yourself a break, there are other people on this planet (someday you'll notice).
Freedom does include respect and responsability, along with freedom of thoughts.
Keep talking to each other. Ignore.
I don't have to read your garbage... I served for three years in IDF... did plenty of time in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. I saw what palestinians do to palestinians... do - you - want - illustrations??? :rolleyes: I would post some shots but this forum is g-rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipsideguy
How come the palestinian people rely on aid from the EU and the USA?? because the rest of the muslim world is busy oppressing their people in more inhumane ways than anywhere else... medival style and hoggin all the money to themselves.
I don't have to justify to you squat but to make you happy I've lived in the US for over half of my life and served with americans during my service. So yeah I have a spot in my heart for the us. Besides Israel is the only civilzed westernized country in the whole region.... by freakin' far. REMEMBER???
after reading newhive's post, everything is clear to me now.
and??? before that the mere existence of sunni's and shia was a threat???Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
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the existence of pashtun and Hazara's in Afghansitan was another threat to themselves. and I can keep going and going and going. They always feel threatend and find conflicts amongst themselves.
Now it's Israel. Like Ask The Geezer says... Who cares anymore??? It's not like these people found themselves in conflict soleysince Israel came to existence.
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Originally Posted by newhive
You can live and die for whatever you want. That doesn't give you the right to take others with you.
Not directed at you, by the way. Just your post didn't tackle the fact they were threatning others lives.
Can I interject with some facts that seem to be lacking from this conversation.
The UN is not "the *****" of the USA. It is "the *****" of the USA, FRANCE, BRITAIN, RUSSIA and CHINA. Read about the veto power each country had been given post WW2. The UN can not discuss anything without these 5s approval.
So the reason the UN does nothing in the case of Israel/Palestine is the US won't allow the UN to talk about helping palestine, and China and Russia won't let the UN even discuss helping Israel.
The US does support Israel, but at the same time they ALSO support Palestine and remain one of Palestine's largest providers of aid.
Also, Israel is not all jews, there are muslims living there as well. In fact a fairly large percentage of Israel's military force are muslims. So when you use Jews and Israeli's as synonyms its kindof ignorant.
One last thing, you have 2 sides to the conflict. The US has chosen a side. How can you be at all suprised that the US is on the side of a peace loving state, versus a state who now has a government whose soul reason for existence is to eliminate Israel.
(just for the record - peace loving state is used as the term as defined by the UN charter)
Anyway, just seems some people have been brainwashed to believe certain things (IE the Jews control the world) and haven't taken the time to learn the truth about the matter.
Wait wait....
Then who's supposed to do the banking? Does Palestine not think ahead?
I keed, I keed.
Maybe it wasn't responsible of the individual to publish those cartoons. What about the responsibility of Muslims? Don't you think Burning embassies is a bit irresponsible compared to publishing a comic strip?Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
Don't you think killing or threatening to kill someone is a bit more of an infringement on peoples rights than publishing an image?
It's not so much a fear of death as it is a respect and understanding for basic human rights and liberties that obviously are rejected by the Muslim Extremist world.
Do you have a right to publish a picture? Yes.
Do you have a right to burn somones house down? No.
Until you understand that concept, there are going to be major misunderstanding and conflict.
First off, you don't KNOW that. Last I heard, you have to die to find out for real, and no one has come back yet to tell the story. Secondly, I would be sceptical of how kind or powerful that hand is. It seems to have left you on the bottom of the heap with nothing left to believe in but dying for any outrageous cause that some mullah tells you to. And third, try thinking for yourselves some time, instead of letting god or a mullah doing it for you. You might just see the light some day.Quote:
There is nothing to fear in Islam when you know there is a kind and powerfull hand with you.
Oh, they won't, not in this life.Quote:
you have to die to find out for real, and no one has come back yet to tell the story
You just beleive what you see. That's it.
The kind Qur'an says:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1] Alif Lam Mim.
[2] This is the book; in it is guidance, sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
[3] Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
[4] And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
[5] They are on (true guidance), from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
Do you beleive I exist? I do, without seeing you, just seeing your words.
You won't even be able to see the back of your OWN head, ever, without a mirror.
Just examples.
Sounds good, just don't burn any embassies down.
mmmkay? :)
What does he say about all the OTHER books that have been written on this subject? Being a cynic, and yes, believing most of what I actually see, and non of what some 1400 year old book wants me to believe, I have to say it's outdated and so are the people who blindly follow it.Quote:
[2] This is the book; in it is guidance, sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
I don't believe in 'revelation' as something sent from god. More likely, if I have a revelation, it's because I'm missing some essential vitimin or mineral from my diet, or ate some bad goat meat and my mind has wandered. If I were really to see something odd, I certainly wouldn't tell anyone about it, cause I'd be locked up in the loony bin.Quote:
[4] And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
After observing the antics of muslim, southern baptist, catholic, mormon and other holey rollers for a lifetime, I feel sad that so many people in this world are suffering from a mental abberation by believing word for word what some musty old book or some religious idiot with an agenda tells them. Just proves to me that the school system isn't working.
Since you've probably never believed in reality, maybe you ought to try it sometime before telling others that it doesn't exist. And here's a hint the muslim world might want to pick up on, nobody wants to hear what your god has to say. If he's real and has something to say, he should be perfectly able to tell the rest of us without any kibuttzing from the peanut gallery.
I'm just reiterating popular propaganda and reasons why the creation of Israel in 1948 is a problem in 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adixx
But wasn't a problem when they actually shared the lands in 1048 or so. Or when Egypt offered a peace treaty and now that's being ignored by people.
I'm not going to go into the dynamics of that relationship, Israel and the rest of the Arab world, nor attempt to diffuse the whole zionism stuff... I'm not well-versed enough into it. Neither will I even attempt to make you believe that I know what exactly a Palenstinian is thinking about Hamas and how they don't recognize Israel, or how the Israelis don't recognize Hamas/Palenstine. Looks like a stalemate to me.
And the violence continues.
Because the land was created in 1948 and given to Israel. That's the popular belief.
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What does he say about all the OTHER books that have been written on this subject?
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1] Alif Lam Mim.
[2] Allah! there is no god but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
[3] It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Musa) and the Gospel (of 'Isa).
[4] Before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
[5] From Allah, verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.
I feel sorry for you too. serious.Quote:
I feel sad that so many people in this world are suffering from a mental abberation
Who said reality doesn't exist?Quote:
Since you've probably never believed in reality, maybe you ought to try it sometime before telling others that it doesn't exist.
He actually did, it's you who do not want to hear. Quran is the ONLY book on Earth that stayed (and will stay) unslanted since it's brought down by Allah.Quote:
If he's real and has something to say, he should be perfectly able to tell the rest
Looks like your the ones suffering the penalty. A world of rocks and sand isn't exactly my idea of a nice place to be. Sounds like what hell would be like if it existed. Which is probably why you all believe the way you do, you got nothing to lose or even look forward to.Quote:
[4] Before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
Well, that's not exactly true either. You all think the way you do because you never bothered to think for yourselves. You let some book or some bonehead with no more sense than a goat do all your thinking for you.
Isn't that a bit intolerant of any other belief out there?
How would you deal with somebody that doesn't believe in what you believe? It's just a simple inquiry.
ok, and I have to ask. What about Abraham? Isn't he the root of all of this anyway? He had a child with his wife and another woman, who was from Saudi Arabia, right? The Bible and Qu'ran as well as the Torah all have Moses, Jesus, Abraham. Yet they all say they're the "only religion"... ever thought they all have the same origin?
Anyway, religion aside... there just seems to be too much intolerance being preached and acted upon. This whole thing smacks of "an eye for an eye" to the tenth level.
Draw a cartoon, burn down an embassy. That's more like an "eye for a building"... not an equal exchange by a long shot. But freedom of speech is trying to be limited by one group, yet exploited by the other group.
All in the name of religion and some severe intolerance. The origin of these religous books can all be questioned. This isn't the thread for that.
This thread is all about the responses. And how it's truly over the top. Not equal. That's not too hard to understand. Now let's deal with that one topic first before adding more fuel to the fire.
Wrong. I didn't say that old, present or future Muslims are good in everyway that's not true, I always said "IF" they were good Muslims.Quote:
you got nothing to lose or even look forward to.
Muslims are in one of their weakest and worst period in this life, but not because they don't think like you (civilized people?), NO, it's just because they do not follow Allah guidance correctly (clarified by Quor'an and Prophet Muhammad).
And adixx..
I'm not in the mood of loughing.Quote:
Besides Israel is the only civilzed westernized country in the whole region.... by freakin' far. REMEMBER???
Let him do it, respect his freedom of choice, do not try to insult, offence, or mock of him...Quote:
How would you deal with somebody that doesn't believe in what you believe? It's just a simple inquiry.
I'm seriously curious what do you mean by this. First time I've ever heard this, and just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
I promise, I mean no harm. Just outright curious.
That's fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
But wouldn't you say that the above quote about the "severe penalty" for not following the Qu'ran and Allah would lead to intolerance much akin to how the extremist Christians say "if you're not a Christian/Baptist/member of my church, then you're going to hell" type of statements that are oft reverberated in the media? (think Pat Robertson)
Just leaves too much room for interpretation and justification for a lot of the things that continue on in the name of religion, but are really in the name of extreme fanaticism at best.