Argh, ;)
I hope (If your sane) you'll agree that its much easier to stop a mad man with a knife than a mad man with a gun
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Argh, ;)
I hope (If your sane) you'll agree that its much easier to stop a mad man with a knife than a mad man with a gun
I've been in both situations... I can't say that stopping either when I was unarmed was "easy". And that's with training...
If i had to stop a mad man i would rather do it with my gun than with my knife ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg
its good to see that, for once, we are finally moving toward an agreement over this subject! ;)
rather than getting into the statistics, history, etc. as we've done before, how about a twist.
what is the underlying motivation for non-US citizens to debate this issue?
do you believe that our citizens being armed will somehow harm you or people in your country? do you fear that your country will adopt similar laws?
just curious why you seem so determined to argue with us about why we should change our laws. im not really impressed that the reason is that you're worried about our citizens getting hurt. so, what gives?
Wow I just re-red my post and it seems badly put lol.
Rephrase!
its much easier to stop a mad man who has a knife than a mad man who has a gun.
@ Flashlackey:
It's an opinion, I'm entitled to one. As people say, this is the age of information, people want to know whats going on and people will inevitably have opinions about things. Your post is kind of like saying that your not gonna get involved if someones abusing their child next door, after all, it's their kid wadda you care?
p.s. I'm not saying America is abusing its citizens ;)
Are you kidding me? These men may be SOME of the forerunners of the science behind what made up the first microchip, but really...? Hypothesis is still paper, or thought not proven. That's like saying the cavemen invented the internet... well, they figured out how to communicate with one another, didn't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by lesli_felix
The crap they teach in UK schools must be as bad as the crap they teach in US schools...
You are not only a fool for believing them, but a fool for repeating them.
Not a dig, seriously. All thought is based upon other thought.....so, no one has "original thought". Cavemen thought of the wheel, are they credited for the invention of the automobile? No, that would be Henry Ford, another American... We all laugh at Al Gore's supposed "proclamation" of "inventing" the internet, while really what he did was help the US Defense Dept implement it by voting for it in Congress. But you go right on ahead and claim that UK mathematicians invented the modern desktop computer...
What works on paper does not generally work in reality.
Pretty simple actually. Because we give a damn about 30 odd people being killed by some mad man, no matter what country it occurs in. Plus many of us probably have closer connections or affinity with the US than some other countries where other violent events might occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashLackey
It's not really that difficult to appreciate is it?
I have very good friends in the US (one - who has a wife and two kids - who would be my best man should I ever get married). I have visited and will visit the US. Again, very understandable reasons, no?Quote:
do you believe that our citizens being armed will somehow harm you or people in your country?
That's the one thing I have no fear of thank god!Quote:
do you fear that your country will adopt similar laws?
Steam Engine? Industrial Revolution?
How would you have made the internet without a telephone?
There. Now we all helped each other, competition over.
Tell you what, I'll provide an apology once I get one from you for banning me for something you then went and did the very next day to someone else. How's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
My response after the initial sentence was not merely to your post, but also to another one (hence the paragraph break). Sorry it wasn't spelt out, and previously I have apologised to others for not making that clear (and indeed to you), but since there have been other times where you have not done so but instead have insinuated that I should be able to understand the context rather than you spell it out for me, well heck, I'll do the same this time. So go back and read all the posts and I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand the context. I have no qualms about giving you credit for that.
Your points lose all credibility when you ask us not to do something and then turn around and do exactly that thing. "Do as I say not as I do".
But please, explain to me again before you get into more personal insults how exactly this contributes or continues the discussion about gun laws:
Reads more like a personal insult on a person's viewpoint than some item of interest or commentary on gun laws. But that could be just me. ;)Quote:
It's so easy to be a critic and never fully commit to anything other than a nebulous "point" that really just can be relegated to a simplified "finger point" and an evasive language that really answers nothing, solves nothing, says nothing.
It's easier for them to point a finger than it is for them to correct what is going on in their own country...Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashLackey
USA == TheWorldsScapeGoat;
..|..
telephone is american. but the automobile, at least internal combustion power, is german
I just want to say, I have no problem with the way that your country is run, and it can keep its amendments until the end of time, I'm certainly not using the US as a scapegoat and ATM moment I don't see anything wrong with the way my country is run as i'm sure you see nothing wrong with yours
And so endeth any point if there ever was one of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVPohovich
I showed patience in that thread. I at least was civil enough and allowed you back. And you were warned multiple times. Learn how to listen to civil requests for a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOriginalFlashDavo
Where? Because I was as nebulous as "members in the thread"... you want to cry foul? You do it to the point of perfection.Quote:
Your points lose all credibility when you ask us not to do something and then turn around and do exactly that thing. "Do as I say not as I do".
As I stated earlier. Stop deflecting.
Apologize for lying as I had pointed it out, or do not. It's testament to what kind of person you truly are.
I did not state anything about anybody "hating the US"... you brought that into a conversation where you quoted me and directed that rhetoric towards me.
Which was a lie.
lesli_felix, silverx2, EVPohovich and a few others in this thread can share my foxhole any day if a fight were to begin. TheOriginalFlashDavo, no offense, but I'm not sure what to say about your opinions, I respect them however you CLEARLY have no idea what it means to be an American. It also seems that the concept of separate states eludes you completely.
Two things I would like to say, one... I will guarantee that we will find out shortly that the perpetrator of the recent shootings in Virginia will be shown to have been on an “ANTIDEPRESSANT” drug of some sort. Probably for only a year or two at the most. I'm fairly certain this was true for the shooters in Columbine which took place nearly 8 years ago exactly. Not sure if that means something or not but it just seems kind of weird.
And Two, you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands! I'm an American. I was born and raised in the home of the brave and land of the free. I'm also a patriot and I served my country on more than one occasion and in many ways and I've no doubt that I will called upon to do so again.
No, you're quite correct at this point, Davo. There was never any point to this thread. We all knew it would self-destruct because, frankly, it would appear the majority of us couldn't care about what each other thinks, which is a damn shame.
No one will change any one's mind, this existence is futile, so go end it.
You care more about your point and had to continue to make it in a thread that was talking more about the atrocity of the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOriginalFlashDavo
You were the main component in that thread that prompted me to state, very clearly, that another thread about gun control and other sidelined communication should take place in another thread and not in one dedicated to that event.
Simply put, you and your rhetoric is sorely lacking any sympathy. It's full of thinly veiled attempts to say that a system that you've shown outright ignorance about over and over - you can't even understand the simple structure of Federal and State law, let alone understand anything else outside of your own experiences - in a multitude of discussions.
Instead, you duck, shuck and jive behind evasive words and cry foul the moment somebody points you out to be exactly what you are.
You are a damn hypocrite. You take each and every discussion about something that's bigger than you and somehow personalize it to make yourself into the victim when it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
You've done absolutely nothing in concern to anything American other than tote a link to an American in your footer. You've become now a person that will lie to get your point across.
Get the facts straight... you got a week off after many warnings for personal attacks. You were not the only person that got a break from that thread alone. And unlike you... when I finally allowed myself to get angry, I at least apologized.
"Poor me... I got banned." You and a lot of other people couldn't follow a civil request, where I had the rules behind me. You think it was so unfair... be a man about it and approach the other supermods, the admin.
I don't have a soul in my pocket, so they could have overturned if I were completely wrong.
Last I checked, the Flashkit is not about one person. It's a community. And sadly, you seriously add nothing but circular arguments and never admit to anything.
And now, you can add liar to your list of accomplishments. Your non-apology has sealed what you are to me.
Welcome to my very short ignore list. You join Flashkid as the only person on it.
Never would expect to change anyone's mind, but was certainly (as always) interested in folks well thought out and sourced viewpoints while it was on subject. And if FlashLackey was genuine in his questions about "why" those outside the US would be concerned, then again something of value that arose if he learnt something new from my response.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRGo_RK
Discussions aren't always merely about resolution, but also about learning, even if just a little each time.
I hate to be rude but I wish some of you guys would get over it already. Change in America comes from within, not from repeated lectures by "high brow" Europeans, and other westerners who think they have the world figured out.
:zzz:
In fact, I think you guys have given me reason to go out and get strapped up.
As soon as I get a chance I will buy a couple of handguns, a shotgun and an assault rifle, just because I can! I'll post some pics of my new arsenal as soon as I figure out how this stuff actually works. :thumbsup:
ps. If anyone wants to stop by for target practice let me know.
I wouldn't shoot him if I knew or even thought that he had a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg