That is exactly right. For if the us govt informed it's voters about it's actions.. many representatives would be looking for jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jujumon
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That is exactly right. For if the us govt informed it's voters about it's actions.. many representatives would be looking for jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jujumon
Yes, then you'd vote in some other douchebags that would do the same thing...get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
wow, if only the founding fathers had thought that way we would be able to get really good beer.. and butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanratty21
The founding fathers did think of such matters. Read up on Benjamin Franklin.
Hah! Pause. Is this an admission that you're imagining me in various outfits? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
Enough NHS. NCAA kicks off tomorrow. Make sure you pull for the Ducks to dominate on the smurf turf tomorrow night. :)
The plaid straight-jacket would be a nice fit on you.
some recent relevant reading on Obama's plans for health care reform - http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ct-check_N.htm
davidp
Didn't see where he proposed anything new that would alter the CBO's cost analysis.
I wonder who will come out to support Joe Wilson's outburst.
im curious about all the things flash lackey hates about last nights speech.
everything sounded good to me. including the part where illegal aliens dont get anything.
illegal aliens will still get coverage by showing up at emergency rooms.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
If an illegal alien shows up to an ER without health insurance, immigrations should be called immediately to get them deported.
According to CNNs fact checker if they are illegal but qualify as permanent they will be required to purchase health insurance, like regular citizens.
so all that will be done before giving them care?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Then what do you propose?
I answered that on page 3 or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
step 1 to get healthcare to those that do not have it.
Expand medicaid, not only in coverage but also set up clinics for free preventative healthcare etc. Fund the expansion with fast food taxes etc. Those on the new medicaid for extended periods of time will have to maintain certain fitness levels. Those that fail will be sent to fat camp. You could staff the medicaid clinics with individuals that got fed loans for health related education. Think G.I. bill but for those in a national health service.
step 2. to control the cost of healthcare.
Tort reform will bring down malpractice insurance.. which will cut some of the cost off the top. Remove the binding to employers. Health insurance should be as easy to shop for as car insurance.
I was really just trying to point out that u.s. citizens will still be paying for the healthcare of illegal immigrants. Whether the are included in the plan or not. That should probably be addressed by something other than the mentality of "call INS and deport them.. get them they hell out of my country!"
I meant the illegals.
TGLC,
According to the bill proposed from what i understand, There are two kinds of illegal immigrants those that qualify for the new health care, and those that do not.
The ones that qualify will be have to buy there own health care by law, if they do not do so they should be removed from our society. Living in america for them is a privledge and not a right, and as such if they dont want to follow the laws set forth they should be sent packing.
As for the group that does not qualify yes, they should be taken to a specific location where they are given the minimal required care, and then prepared for deportation.
They will have to be covered. You can either cover them in whatever plan you have or you can just have them show up and stiff the hospital with the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
It is rational at this moment to time to say that Illegal immigration is a fact we must live with. A good number of years and a large amount of money has been spent to solve the problem. It can not be solved. If a person can have a better life by crossing a line on a map they will cross that line on a map.
Perhaps a better way of looking at it would have been to say that illegal immigration is a problem.. national healthcare is not a problem because of illegal immigration. However when a bill is as large as the one being pushed.. well there are many things to attack and disagree with at the sake of the core need.
Illegal immigration is already a known problem and we seem to be unable to remove these people from society. personally I feel it is impossible. Does the bill include the provisions to create a fairy good mother with a magic ****ing wand to send the illegals packing?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
They are illegal and in many cases undocumented.
So once receiving care will they be placed under arrest?
who is going to hold them? the police? the ins. Is there a budget for the man power necessary?
Are we going to create camps for these people to stay in while the paperwork goes through?
Really think we have the means and will to hold 17 million people in custody for showing up at the hospital?
Lets do nothing about the illegals then, lets just let them do whatever they want.
No matter what we do its going to cost alot of money, and its not going to help in the end because they will just come back.