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I will post here as soon as the new player is avaliable (as well as all of the other community lists / forums).Quote:
How will we know when the bug has been fixed, and when we can download the fixed version of Flash Player 6?
Flip.
mike chambers
[email protected]
loooooolQuote:
Originally posted by C4_Tom
Destroying the sound object sounds like a good idea. How's that done?
hmm. I guess we all now have to detect THAT player version & code to deal with it.
huh. How many are out there?
Glad to hear work is on the way to fix the problem. Good thing people noticed the bug early on, this would have evolved into a huge issue if not.
Changing the version number in the HTML sounds like a simple solution to me. Since the player has only been out for a two weeks or so, my guess is that a very negligeable amount of people have this version of the player installed.
I don't think there will really be a version conflict ala XML.ignoreWhitespace. If Macromedia updates the HTML templates in the software as soon as they update the player, then I think the problem will fade away in a matter of a month or so.
I'd just like to say to people who are persisting in blaming Macromedia for the issue at hand that the important thing is that the bug will be fixed. There's no point in mindlessly giving into conspiracy theories and bashing.
I think that Macromedia owes C4_Tom a HUGE thank you, as do all of we. This undoubtedly would have been a serious problem if it had saturated any further.
Good job Tom!
The loadMovie glitch seems to only be a problem on Windows Operating systems running IE (The netscape plugin works fine for me). Except of course for the fact that projector files I made with the trial have the same bug.
Since this thread is getting so much attention I'd like to continue the discussion regarding loadSound. It appears to be an entirely different issue.
On Win OS with IE mp3's loaded with loadSound continue to load when changing urls. On Netscape the download stops when changing urls. However as long as the swf requesting the mp3 is running the download will continue on both browsers. There seems to be no way of effectively stopping an mp3 download. There is a loadSound, but no unloadSound command.
Using the new streaming mp3 mode all that can be done to the sound in terms of controlling playback is stopping it. The loadSound replaces the sound object play commend when streaming is true. If you stop a loaded mp3 with streaming set to true the sound stops, but the download continues. Once stopped there is no way reactivate the sound although the file stored in the sound object. No offsets. To start play again the mp3 has to be reloaded and start from the beginning.
I've attempted to stop the download by placing the sound object inside of blank MCs, duplicated MC's, and levels then unloading. The only time I was able to stop the download was by unloading level0 on Netscape. Interestingly if you unload the parent of the sound object without stopping the sound it will continue to play without a way to stop it.
I'm curious if anyone on a Mac is finding the same issues with loadSound and streaming set to true. Does the download stop when you stop the sound object?
Without and unloadSound command the user is forced to listen to the entire mp3. Of course you can stop playback, but how do you stop the download?
An interesting side note. The domain security updates for loadMovie don't seem to have any effect on loadSound. You can load an mp3 from anywhere on the net and stream it if your bandwidth is enough.
No problem guys, assuming that this is fixed soon then hopefully any major problems have been avoided.
I think the issue with the loadSound command is the same bug as the loadMovie. When that's fixed to stop the download I expect we can just use mySound.loadSound("").
People keep mentioning destroying the object but as far as I'm aware there's no way to do this in Flash, you can only replace it (unless you unload the parent). I don't think there's any flush command either.
PixelAddict and co, do you know of way to do it?
The fact that loadMovie works just fine on Netscape for me and loadSound doesn't makes me wonder if its a different issue alltogether. That's why I'm curious if Mac users notice it.
I suspect it's all part of the same issue, it seems to be quite inconsistant in general. The loadMovie bug does effect some Macs, but not all.
You can 'destroy' variables (objects) by using the delete command:Quote:
Originally posted by C4_Tom
People keep mentioning destroying the object but as far as I'm aware there's no way to do this in Flash, you can only replace it (unless you unload the parent).
delete mySoundObj;
for example. It reclaims the memory that a variable was using. As far as I know, that has no effect on the download issue though.
- n.
I use loadMovie to load swf's containing streaming mp3's. I can verify that the flash 6 plug-in works just fine in Netscape Communicator 4.6 on PC (Win98). When I test loading the same streaming mp3's in Internet Explorer 5 the 'streaming bug' kicks in and the mp3's keep on loading even after I leave the site.Quote:
Originally posted by cre8ive
The fact that loadMovie works just fine on Netscape for me and loadSound doesn't makes me wonder if its a different issue alltogether. That's why I'm curious if Mac users notice it.
I do still use Flash 5 though, so I haven't used loadSound at all.
Even after it's been fixed, this does create possible issues for people still creating and using flash 5 content.
For new stuff, I guess there's a workaround possibly checking the minor version number of the player at the start of the movie and if it's in the affected range, redirecting to the new player download page.
But for the long-complete v5 movies which screw up in the current player, I think site admins will recieving complaints from a minority of users (which can still be a lot of people at high-traffic sites) at least for the next few months - and the volume of future complaints will increase for every day macromedia has this flawed player available for download.
Hope they sort it quickly.
I'm hoping that the player will autoupdate itself, assuming that the fix is pretty small. If not there could certainly be a few problems
This is not exactly on the topic but:
There have been a number of developers (and others) who have been encouraging of and excited about MM's recent Flash MX strategy of "replacing" HTML as a content-delivery standard.
(That's *some* developers. Maybe not *you*).
MM's non-response on this issue is typical of them--I've seen this kind of thing since starting with Director back in '95.
This kind of corporate behavior points out the dangers of relying on one, closed platform. Is this really the kind of company that we want to entrust to develop a new kind of content delivery standard, or an application development tool?
The comment somewhere that this bug essentially renders all "Skip Intro" buttons useless should be hammered into MM's head: they are _counting_ on increased understanding and acceptance of Accesibility and Usability Standards--this bug craps all over those in a big way.
Ditto - that would be ideal. probly should make it a formal request.Quote:
Originally posted by C4_Tom
I'm hoping that the player will autoupdate itself, assuming that the fix is pretty small. ....
Interesting thoughts. There is actually a thread in the Boardroom right now called HTML vs. Flash that I think you might be interested in.Quote:
Originally posted by heyotwell
This kind of corporate behavior points out the dangers of relying on one, closed platform.
-scott
http://www.scottmanning.com/
I think the "bashing" stopped once we got a word from Macromedia. The "mindless conspiracy theory" will probably be around for awhile because of how the situation was handled at first. You just can't get around it.Quote:
Originally posted by pmineault
I'd just like to say to people who are persisting in blaming Macromedia for the issue at hand that the important thing is that the bug will be fixed. There's no point in mindlessly giving into conspiracy theories and bashing.
I think the problem lies in what another member just stated:
Its hard for developers to buy into the "one-platform" mentality, when things like this happen.
Flash is good for a lot of things; but not everything.
-scott
http://www.scottmanning.com/
well, it made The Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/24707.html
Nice to see that this is being given the attention it deserves. As long as people realise that this isn't a problem with Flash itself and that it is still a very good developement tool.
My concern is that if this goes too mainstream then it could get blown up out of proportion and ending up scaring people away from Flash. Most people won't understand that the technical side of this bug, and will just associate Flash with clogging up bandwidth.
Just have to see what happens now.
HTML might have a standard but when you look at the nightmare of widely differing browser implementations we have all had to live with and code around this is not so bad. Macromedia is responding. We had to live with wildly changing and conflicting browser versions for years and every time the much awaited new versions would come out only to introduce a fresh set of problems to be accomodated.