Dashiell Ponce de Leon sentenced to 4 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.

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10-13-2005, 04:56 PM
SpockBert

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Originally Posted by whispers

In reality..what is sending him to prison going to do?..I believe nothing.. deterants dont do much...its he thrill of getting away..or out of neccessity that people do crimes usually. Everyone knows if you kill someone you'll go to jail for life..or be executed...murders happen daily..yet the "punishment" is widely known..

You can't really compare the two crimes. A lot of the time murder is a crime of passion, say you have a bad day at work come home to find your wife in bed with another man and you kill him...you're not gonna calmly weigh up the pros and cons of prison before smacking him with the nearest blunt instrument to hand!

I share some of your views that the punishment is way too harsh, I dont think he deserves to share the same space as violent muggers, rapists etc etc but as others have said they had to make an example of him and yeah I bet there are plenty of people who are now thinking twice about trying a stunt like that.

My overall feeling about this is sadness, just think its a real shame someone so obviously talented chose (or felt he had) to do something like that. His work is so polished I'm stunned he couldn't make a very healthy living without resorting to that.
10-13-2005, 04:58 PM
whispers

I doubt many will stop because of that....it usually takes the act of getting caught to stop people from doing illegal things.. because its reallya "reality" to them until it DOES happen to them.

And I knwo ther is no relationship between his crime and rehabilitation...but to ME there should be. It would seem more proactive and give better resluts than just sitting in jail. Hes gong to get what he gets...doesnt mean its a "just" punishment IMHO... I know companies who pirate software in the tune of MILLIONS...nothign ever happens to them.. and if most places get audited for illegal lics... they just make the pay to be complient.....

An exampel is all he is...and one they went extreme on.
10-13-2005, 05:00 PM
JayCharles

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Originally Posted by whispers

I doubt many will stop because of that....it usually takes the act of getting caught to stop people from doing illegal things.. because its reallya "reality" to them until it DOES happen to them.

And I knwo ther is no relationship between his crime and rehabilitation...but to ME there should be. It would seem more proactive and give better resluts than just sitting in jail. Hes gong to get what he gets...doesnt mean its a "just" punishment IMHO... I know companies who pirate software in the tune of MILLIONS...nothign ever happens to them.. and if most places get audited for illegal lics... they just make the pay to be complient.....

An exampel is all he is...and one they went extreme on.

There's a huge difference between using unlicensed software and selling pirated copies.
10-13-2005, 05:01 PM
TallGuyLittleCar

how do you rehabilitate a thief?
10-13-2005, 05:01 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by SpockBert

You can't really compare the two crimes. A lot of the time murder is a crime of passion, say you have a bad day at work come home to find your wife in bed with another man and you kill him...you're not gonna calmly weigh up the pros and cons of prison before smacking him with the nearest blunt instrument to hand!

true but from all the statements here..it shodl shouldntmatter what state of mind you were in..or why/how...just that you "DID"...

I share some of your views that the punishment is way too harsh, I dont think he deserves to share the same space as violent muggers, rapists etc etc but as others have said they had to make an example of him and yeah I bet there are plenty of people who are now thinking twice about trying a stunt like that.

My overall feeling about this is sadness, just think its a real shame someone so obviously talented chose (or felt he had) to do something like that. His work is so polished I'm stunned he couldn't make a very healthy living without resorting to that. sometimes its just the rush I wold assume..or maybe priniciple??
10-13-2005, 05:01 PM
JayCharles

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

how do you rehabilitate a thief?

Chop his hands off. There are still places in the world where that happens.
10-13-2005, 05:03 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by JayCharles

There's a huge difference between using unlicensed software and selling pirated copies.

let me clarify..not only using unlicensed (illegal/priated) software..but also selling it..making you own keycodes...heatgunning off upgrade sitckers to sell as full versions...selling COA label with HP/Dell on them..., breaking open suites and selling them as single versions.... better?
10-13-2005, 05:05 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

how do you rehabilitate a thief?

seriously. I guess start with WHy he did it?

and address that..
10-13-2005, 05:05 PM
TallGuyLittleCar

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Originally Posted by whispers

let me clarify..not only using unlicensed (illegal/priated) software..but also selling it..making you own keycodes...heatgunning off upgrade sitckers to sell as full versions...selling COA label with HP/Dell on them..., breaking open suites and selling them as single versions.... better?

if these companies are in the u.s. turn them in and buy yourself a brand new car!
10-13-2005, 05:05 PM
Ultima Designs

Ahh...some of you who are enjoying this discussion would thoroughly enjoy reading Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment.
10-13-2005, 05:05 PM
TallGuyLittleCar

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Originally Posted by whispers

seriously. I guess start with WHy he did it?

and address that..

Why did he do it? He has no respect for his fellow man and puts his desires above all others?
10-13-2005, 05:06 PM
JayCharles

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Originally Posted by whispers

let me clarify..not only using unlicensed (illegal/priated) software..but also selling it..making you own keycodes...heatgunning off upgrade sitckers to sell as full versions...selling COA label with HP/Dell on them..., breaking open suites and selling them as single versions.... better?

Okay... that's a different story then... but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you bothered that they get away with it?
10-13-2005, 05:08 PM
JayCharles

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Originally Posted by whispers

seriously. I guess start with WHy he did it?

and address that..

Doesn't matter. In the US, we have programs for anyone in need (and don't givem e any **** about not being able to take advantage of those programs... all you need is a pen), and therefore there is no legitimate reason that would justify theft. Why did he do it? Greed would be my guess.
10-13-2005, 05:09 PM
indivision

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Originally Posted by whispers

however, I still feel it is a waste that someone with a skill set will probably never be sucessful again after prison. not to mention the criminal record which bars you from almost anything that makes decent money..... recovering from financial and family matters also take years to recover from if ever.

you're right, it is a total waste. but, he is responsible for that waste, not society.

you're saying that someones skill set should come into play when sentances are handed down. our legal system is already a circus enough, imagine what it would be like if, at the end of every guilty verdict trial, we had to listen to lawyers spend three days talking about how good of a wood carver this bank robber is and thus deserves a lighter sentance.

the bottom line is, he committed a substantial crime and should be judged in regard to his sentancing for that crime alone. the punishments associated with various crimes are in large part designed to maintain the working integrity of society. if nobody respects software property laws, that could severely damage the entire countries ability to conduct effective business. im sorry about this guys individual situation, but nothing about what he can do is relavant to me compared to the damage it would cause the country if this type of crime went unpunished.

regarding punishments needing to fit the crime. some laws need to be enforced more severely because they are foundation principles, without which, a domino effect of worse calamities could befall society. for a simpler example, this is why punishments for counterfeiting are so severe. its not a violent crime. counterfeiters probably arent muggers and rapists either. but, undermining the publics reliance on the value of the dollar could be extremely dangerous to society. what this guy did was very similar. he stole nearly a million dollars in property and sold it for personal profit.

anyway. i said it once before. he probably wont really serve 4 years. probably more like 2.
10-13-2005, 05:11 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

if these companies are in the u.s. turn them in and buy yourself a brand new car!

HA!.. you cant be serious..

1.) it aint that easy...
2.) you dont get any kind of 'results' from the "notification"..

ie: you get nothing..
10-13-2005, 05:12 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by JayCharles

Doesn't matter. In the US, we have programs for anyone in need (and don't givem e any **** about not being able to take advantage of those programs... all you need is a pen), and therefore there is no legitimate reason that would justify theft. Why did he do it? Greed would be my guess.

no clue what your going on about..the question was how to rehabilitate a thief.. start with WHY...

noone said anything abotu justfying anything.. you just liek to rant I think.
Yoru not even staying on topic.
10-13-2005, 05:13 PM
TallGuyLittleCar

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Originally Posted by whispers

HA!.. you cant be serious..

1.) it aint that easy...
2.) you dont get any kind of 'results' from the "notification"..

ie: you get nothing..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
10-13-2005, 05:17 PM
JayCharles

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Originally Posted by whispers

no clue what your going on about..the question was how to rehabilitate a thief.. start with WHY...

noone said anything abotu justfying anything.. you just liek to rant I think.
Yoru not even staying on topic.

You've got my number Whispers... I love a good rant.

As far as rehabilitation goes, I think that's simply a joke. "Rehabilitation" in the context of criminals is simply a PC term for "what do we do to prevent them from doing it again.". You can't rehabilitate a criminal any more than you can an alcoholic. People are governed by their own personal nature, and I don't know of anything (short of electroshock therapy) that can rework someone's mind to the point of changing their nature. If you have it in you to steal, you always will. It's just a matter of whether your fear the consequences enough to not do it again.
10-13-2005, 05:26 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by indivision

you're right, it is a total waste. but, he is responsible for that waste, not society.

you're saying that someones skill set should come into play when sentances are handed down. our legal system is already a circus enough, imagine what it would be like if, at the end of every guilty verdict trial, we had to listen to lawyers spend three days talking about how good of a wood carver this bank robber is and thus deserves a lighter sentance.

the bottom line is, he committed a substantial crime and should be judged in regard to his sentancing for that crime alone. the punishments associated with various crimes are in large part designed to maintain the working integrity of society. if nobody respects software property laws, that could severely damage the entire countries ability to conduct effective business. im sorry about this guys individual situation, but nothing about what he can do is relavant to me compared to the damage it would cause the country if this type of crime went unpunished.

regarding punishments needing to fit the crime. some laws need to be enforced more severely because they are foundation principles, without which, a domino effect of worse calamities could befall society. for a simpler example, this is why punishments for counterfeiting are so severe. its not a violent crime. counterfeiters probably arent muggers and rapists either. but, undermining the publics reliance on the value of the dollar could be extremely dangerous to society. what this guy did was very similar. he stole nearly a million dollars in property and sold it for personal profit.

anyway. i said it once before. he probably wont really serve 4 years. probably more like 2.

Thats an example I know something of.. caught having couterfiet bills only landed a personal "friend" of mine some LAME probation..and that was in the tune of 24k odd amount of $20 bills.... been in trouble before.....still slap on the wrist in IMHO...

again he SHOUDL be punished.. but punishing him in the same way you do a murderer or rapist is silly. I bet you;d all be singing another tune if it was you! (and dont gimmie that crap that you wouldnt..etc..etc..) How would you liek to spend the next 4 years of youe life with "Bubba" the murding rapist..dng his laundry and being his *****....dealing with the race/gang presence all because you sold some bootleg Windows XP?

Should you be punished..of course..you broke a law (whether you agree with it or not)..and you need to be punished. but risking the life of someone who is not from that 'walk of life' (if you will)..doesnt need to learn how to make a shank to protect his life... for a white collar/electronic non-volient crime.

Maybe a few months in jail (not prison)...and a harsh release program..or something.

And I never once implied that because of ones skill set..he should get favors..
Im saying that if MONEY is the reason people are pissed off...then focus on that...

Example: satTV.... if caught/accused of signal theft..you are civil served more or less... they want the revenue back.. garnishing wages or lawsuit...thats their goal.

taking this a personal case...its a shame...and I too am sadened by the thiings I know are coming for him and his family.

I feel the same way about drug dealers (not caught selling to kids/school grounds).. yeah its against the law..but there is a supply and demand.. same with the software. Help, rehabilitation or restitution are warrented before you send them off to Gang College..
10-13-2005, 05:33 PM
whispers

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Originally Posted by JayCharles

You've got my number Whispers... I love a good rant.

As far as rehabilitation goes, I think that's simply a joke. "Rehabilitation" in the context of criminals is simply a PC term for "what do we do to prevent them from doing it again.". You can't rehabilitate a criminal any more than you can an alcoholic. People are governed by their own personal nature, and I don't know of anything (short of electroshock therapy) that can rework someone's mind to the point of changing their nature. If you have it in you to steal, you always will. It's just a matter of whether your fear the consequences enough to not do it again.

WHAT?? no way...lol

there is no way you can make a statement liek that..and then follow up by thinking that a consequence will deter ones thinking..

I would think rehabilitation (after being in trouble..and knowing first hand how it is) would be a better way to get your piont across..and achieve the end goal.

Rehabilitation is MUCH more than just a term...whether all forms work and have the impact sought after is another thing..

So drug rehab never works? (they are always gonn ado drugs?
AA?
there are plenty of programs labeled as "rehab" programs that you sometimes HAVE to take.. since it doesnt work ever..maybe allocate the funding to lower the price of all that expensive software! ;)

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You can't rehabilitate a criminal any more than you can an alcoholic.

thats the funniest thing you posted all day! (thanks..things were getting too serious in here)..lol

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