Gun Control

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

i would love to see the data for the 440 accidental. How many of those triggers were pulled by a kid and how many by an adult. I imagine the lions share of those are negligent adults.. not accidents.

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Well I wrote that that wasn't my point... My point was to express that I think that I don't think 440 people get killed by bears in the USA every year just because they aren't carrying guns :)

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Originally Posted by FlashLackey

what is the underlying motivation for non-US citizens to debate this issue?

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General interest in politics.

But a question to those who claim that guns aren't causing more deaths: What explains that USA are in company with less developed countries when it comes to murders per capita ? Is it bad mental health care? Or any other suggestions?

And you guys write alot in these threads when I'm asleep!

0.042802 per 1,000 people
0.0279271 per 1,000 people

only a little more then half of those murders are with firearms.

that still leaves .02 people per 1k people that are being murdered.

Still... can you come with any suggestion about what it can be causing those high murder rates?

people from other countries putting the wieght of the world on our shoulders?
living in a country thats the measuring stick for how other countries act?
knowing that when our president does something stupid the rest of the world thinks that we are the same exact way?
Foriengers thinking they know what its like to live in the us based on a website that spits out statistics?

So you think that's the reason?

its def not the gun control laws thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by silverx2

people from other countries putting the wieght of the world on our shoulders?
living in a country thats the measuring stick for how other countries act?
knowing that when our president does something stupid the rest of the world thinks that we are the same exact way?
Foriengers thinking they know what its like to live in the us based on a website that spits out statistics?

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boo hoo poor you.

squish squish have a tissue

So you can't think of any other reason?

sure I can : people

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Originally Posted by MagnusVS

So you can't think of any other reason?

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magnus what do you think the reason is.

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Originally Posted by MagnusVS

Still... can you come with any suggestion about what it can be causing those high murder rates?

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in the u.s.? drug prohibition.

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Originally Posted by silverx2

magnus what do you think the reason is.

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Hehe... haven't I made that clear in this thread?
I think it's partly the gun politics. Of course, I guess that's not the only reason.

if its the laws on guns then why is DC the place with the strictest gun laws, and the highest rate of gun crimes/deaths?

While places with less strict guns laws lower in gun related crimes?

Please magnus answer my question with a statistic that lumps all of the united states into one catagory.

I just say I think there is a connection. I am not familiar about the case with washington d.c. (if you have sources, please post)

Still. You just ask new questions. Why don't you suggest anything? Maybe it's easier to criticize others opinion?

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri...te-per-100-000

#1 District of Columbia: 31.2
#43 Maine: 6.5

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=DC

i cant tell you why people do the things they do. i am not them, your the one critizing our laws when there is nothing wrong with them.

This kid in the VT shooting Planned this out, he was sick in the head. He was sent to a mental institution in 2005 for being suicidal, after stalking a girl. He was going to hurt someone regardless of if he had a gun or not.

But saying gun controll is the only issue is retarded.

Since the v-tech shooting how many schools have had bomb threats? is that because of gun controll too? No its not its because there are some sick people in this world.

My g/f just called me to let me know her school got evacuated today because of a bomb threat, and i can tell you one thing, id feel about 200% safer if she had a hand gun, and proper training to use it so in the event when something serious does happen like the case of a crazy ass sick in the head freak does try to hurt someone and she is there she can subdue them with the force she is alowed to by law.

and if you think there is something wrong with that then your living in a dreamland where nothing bad happens to anyone.

Of course he was totally sick in his head.
But all I have tried to say in this thread is that in most other countries that you would compare USA against, people don't have that many guns, and there aren't that many murders. I think there is a connection, you don't. I don't know if I'm right, but there must be a reason...

pick a specific country. dont make it United states vs the world.

Not my intention to make it USA vs. the world.

Murders per capita:
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

3-4 times as many murders as the UK.

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Originally Posted by MagnusVS

Not my intention to make it USA vs. the world.

Murders per capita:
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

3-4 times as many murders as the UK.

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There will never be a "good" comparison.

The u.k. and the u.s. are a good bit different.

The u.k. is an island. The u.s. is not... a good amount of our murders are gang related.. one gang being ms13, that is from el savador. I don't think the u.k. has foreign gangs operating within their borders to the degree the u.s. does. I could be wrong.